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Goku vs Cyborg Frieza

Let's say that Trunks didn't show up from the future and he just ran through his natural course of birth. Goku uses instant transmission to appear before Frieza, King Cold and henchmen how would it turn out. As we know, Goku had a fight with Trunks to test his abilities as a Super Saiyan and he blocked all of Trunks attacks with the sword he used to defeat Frieza and henchmen(Blasted King Cold). How would the fight turn out if it was Goku fighting in Trunks place?

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He did fight in Trunks place in the original timeline. He easily defeated Frieza and probably King Cold as well.


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Goku would defeat Frieza (and co.) just as easily as Trunks did.


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Now had King Cold transformed......


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KC may not have even been able to transform beyond the form we saw him in. Frieza could have very well been unique in that regard. Who knows?


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I knows! King Cold would have been Majin Buu level upon reaching his next stage. SSJ Vegito on the 4th form. And SSJ4 Gogeta when he went to the "Super Shredder" form Cooler was sporting.

Yup all canon thumb up


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KC may not have even been able to transform beyond the form we saw him in. Frieza could have very well been unique in that regard. Who knows?


It's more than likely that King Cold could transform as well.

Because Cooler was already in his 4th Form when Goku fought him, and he amped up to a 5th.

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Considering frieza's forth form is his true form i think kc being unable to transform is highly unlikely

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KC may not have even been able to transform beyond the form we saw him in. Frieza could have very well been unique in that regard. Who knows?
Freeza's fourth form is said to be his true form, his other forms were created to suppress his power.

So, really, KC not transforming was just silly.


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also wish Trunks and King Cold had a sword fight...and explain planet Frieza's history


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Goku after training with the Yardrat is stronger than Trunks. Same result.

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Did Goku actually train with the Yardrat, or did they just teach him Instant Transmission?

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You idiots need to stop with the non-canon play. King Cold never transformed and was never confirmed by Toriyama as being able to transform. Don't give him power he does not have. Stick to the canon sources: he doesn't transform and is far weaker than Frieza much less Mecha Frieza.


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You idiots need to stop with the non-canon play. King Cold never transformed and was never confirmed by Toriyama as being able to transform. Don't give him power he does not have. Stick to the canon sources: he doesn't transform and is far weaker than Frieza much less Mecha Frieza.


Did the Z boys say Cold was stronger than Frieza?


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Freeza's fourth form is said to be his true form, his other forms were created to suppress his power.

So, really, KC not transforming was just silly.
Frieza =/= King Cold. They are 2 completely different characters, you see. Just because they are of the same race, doesn't mean every facet of their respective powers must be equal by default (case in point: Goku and Vegeta.)

So really, adding transformations to KC that he was never shown or stated to be capable of using, is just silly. If he could have transformed into a more powerful form, the rule of deduction says he surely would have.


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Originally posted by juggerman
Did the Z boys say Cold was stronger than Frieza?


Nope.


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Did the Z boys say Cold was stronger than Frieza?
They did in the manga. Even though Frieza stated that he had become more powerful with all his mecha enhancements, the Z fighters sensed that King Cold was still more powerful:
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Regardless, it was stated that SSJ Trunks had the exact same power that Goku had on Namek:
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And he was still able to kill mecha Frieza and King Cold effortlessly. So even if we assume that Goku's power hadn't increased at all during the year he was training in space, he'd still crush Frieza and his daddy just as easily as Trunks did(like I said.)


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So some people are saying because King Cold didn't transform, he couldn't? He was obviously a sneak and as he knew he was stronger than his son, more than likely assumed he didn't need to transform to beat Trunks as long as he took his sword.

But there are 3 of the Planet Killer race. King Cold, Cooler, and Frieza. Frieza has 4 1/2 forms if you count Final Form 100%, Cooler has 5. Are people really assuming King Cold just can't transform at all, even though he looks nearly identical to Frieza Form 2 and both his sons have the capability?

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What was Akira thinking when he made someone with the status of Frieza's father such a throwaway character? Should've at least had his own saga or something before moving on to the Android arc.


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What was Akira thinking when he made someone with the status of Frieza's father such a throwaway character? Should've at least had his own saga or something before moving on to the Android arc.
I wish the Planet Trade Organization as a whole would have been expanded on more.


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To those without that ability, those who possess it are a mystery.
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