First off, Ki =/= chakra. In fact, it is specified in Dragon Ball that ki is the energy of the body, whereas chakra in Naruto is mental and physical energy combined. Ki is much more destructive, and can be used to planet bust, something no one in all of Naruto can come close to.
Secondly, Goku can move ridiculously faster than they can. At that point, he's massively hypsersonic, and LS+ in close combat. None of them can combat that. Even Kaguya could barely move under 2X gravity, and a weaker Goku withstood 10X easily.
Thirdly, the only one who can open portals is Kaguya, and doing so wastes a huge amount of her chakra. Not to mention that she can't open them fast enough to overcome even Naruto's speed, which is ridiculously trumped by Goku.
Fourthly, Genjutsu can be broken by a high enough power, which Goku definitely possesses. Even Sakura as a child was able to break Kabuto's genjutsu. Kabuto was Kakashi level, and Kakashi was able to fend off Itachi, bearing Tsukiyomi. No genjutsu from these characters could even slow Goku down.
Last but not least, Goku wields Kaioken in the Saiyan saga. He can become up to 4 times stronger, and that's bearing the use of Great ape, if he has his tail.
However, while Goku wins handily in this thread, add in duel Mangekyo Kakashi, and he loses all day long, until Ginyu saga.
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Kaguya can destroy planet sized dimensions. I'd assume that means she can destroy planets as well.
Guy moved fast enough to warp space. Also, weren't you the guy that was arguing that the Raikage had FTL reflexes? The Raikage who was slower than Minato, who Madara could practically speedblitz?
Is there confirmation it was only 2x? Even were that the case, it would be pretty obvious PIS, considering this is a lady who can pulverize PS with punches.
Actually most normal people know that DBZ is the stronger of the two. The Naruto series is only just starting to approach Saiyan Saga.
Krillin, Tien, Chiautzu and Yamcha are more their level. And Tien has Mafuba, Chiautzu is Telekinetic, Krillin has Destructo Disc and Yamcha... never mind.
Ashurato and Indrasuke could be any version of Naruto and Sasuke.
They've always had their chakras.
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1. Um, yes. Ki = sole physical energy. Chakra = 2 parts physical energy, 8 parts mental energy. That statement comes from the Eight tails. This obviously dilutes the ki quite a bit, considering how weak the Naruto characters are in comparison.
2. Obito "created" an infinite, unending dimension. Doesn't mean he can destroy planets, lol. Dimensions are a bit more fickle than that, considering they don't have definable durabilities in most series.
3. So how fast is that? All he did was bend the black rod that Madara wielded. Even Shizune was able to cut them apart after a while. Shee said Raikage's synapses fire as fast as a flash of light. That means he has, in his Raiton armor mode, a reaction speed of near to LS. His movement speed is only lightning speed though. That's why Minato's light speed teleporting so easily outclassed him. Also, Madara was ridiculously faster than Raikage, not to mention Minato, who isn't even that fast bearing Hiraishin. Madara was able to move fast enough to screw up Minato before he warped, and react to his warping before Minato even could himself.
4. It was calced to be 2X, because of the amount of deceleration that occurred to the rod she shot out, and the fact that Kakashi was able to survive under it. Either way though, it definitely wasn't even 5X, or god forbid the 10X that Goku casually stood on with heavy weighted clothing.
5. Yes it can. Refer to Jiraiya's statement to Naruto saying that enough chakra flow can disrupt the opponents chakra flow to your brain. Also refer to Sasuke overpowering Tsukiyomi with chakra control, even though he only had a base sharingan. That's why his curse mark was able to help him in the first place.
6. Kakashi DID fend off Itachi until he got tagged by Tsukiyomi. He even got hit with other genjutsu before that, iirc.
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When Kami (GOD capable of rebuilding the moon, creating a wish dragon and engineering a universe pocket where time is slowed) tried to Mafuba (a HAX attack which seals people in a container) Piccolo Jr into submission, Piccolo just copied his attack and reversed. So that's Goku and Piccolo that are proficient at quickly learning other people's attacks just by watching. Plus Tien and Chiouztu have Mimicry. There are plenty of Hax moves in Dragon Ball but they do jack shit against the level where people can repel attacks just by yelling at them. As for Poison: Senzu. Mental Attacks have been repelled by Goku who is also a Telepath and can read people's minds.
And all the hax in the Naruto could be fought by Babidi who is the master of Hax (blowing people's heads off from across the universe, teleporting people to other side's of the universe and different dimensions) but does stuff all against the Z-Fighters because they are too powerful, who's to say Naruto hax can do any different.
what does that have to do with goku he isnt a namekian nor does he know magic.
so you literally think that mimicry equates to tsukuyomi, kamui,izanami, and kotoamatsukami, totsuka blade just to name a few hax plus the many different sealing techniques
also notice that nobody in dbz that has been sealed has ever broke out on their own they always need outside help
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Last edited by chasedown on Oct 9th, 2014 at 01:52 PM
I was pointing out that everyone with magic and hax was useless against the Z Fighters because their sheer amount of power wards it off. Also any move in Naruto (hax or destruction) that can be classified as Super Martial Art based can be mimicked by DBZ characters.
Also maybe Mafuba is just better than Naruto seals. Or maybe its because we are dealing with King Piccolo who is pathetic and only at High End Naruto levels.
That's specifically for the Biju Bomb. Also, positive and negative are not he same as physical and mental.
Obito didn't create the dimension. He also couldn't fvcking destroy it.
Also, check the size of Kaguya's Gudoudama. That thing was a good 10-20x longer in diameter than Perfect Susano'o, which itself is something like a mile+ long iirc, and still expanding. Look at Obito's Gudoudama that were less than a foot long and just see the explosion radius. It had 4 natures, Kaguya's had dozens.
That thing could easily have been planetary scale, and was implied to have been.
You don't get it. It wasn't the force of his speed, it was his speed bending and distorting space, which you need to be at least lightspeed to do.
Of course, he's the fastest character, but regardless all characters in this fight each approach LS.
Those things mode at a high enough velocity to smash through Perfect Susano'o. Hashirama literally created the VotE breaking Madara's. 2x gravity is not doing shit to those things.
It doesn't matter. Tsukuyomi controls time and space, a millisecond could be equivalent to several days.
Sasuke survived that because Itachi allowed him to.
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