Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Master Roshi in the 21st budokai was already a Moon buster with his full power KHH. Even if you want to argue only his Moon buster matters and in everything else he's weak Demon King Piccolo most definitely surpasses Kenshiro since nothing not even Roshis FP KHH could have done anything to a restored youth Demon King Piccolo and he had to resort to using the Mafuba a sealing tech to try and beat him. DKP is overkill against Kenshiro, Hit is like putting STTGL vs. an ant with Hit6 being STTGL in that comparison.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
If you feel speed is an issue, he can start in that state.
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All Musou Tensei is make a bunch of full body after images to confuse the opponent. Kaioh to defeat MT basically did a minor spacial distortion tech and he responded with "I found you!" when he saw all the after images being all wonky and managed to hit the real Kenshiro. An AOE attack should take care of him.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Actually, it makes them intangible (In addition to tapping the skills of the dead).
Kenshiro and Roah passed right through each other in their fight.
The demon distortion was before Kenshiro perfected his skills via all the past Fist's..
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It doesn't make them intangible. I've read the series and Raoh vs. Kenshiro made it appear for them to be intangible but Vs. Kaioh that's obviously not the case. It's shown MT was merely an after image tech of sorts. All Kaiohs space distortion did was make Kenshiro lose his balance and his ki could not be concentrated allowing Kaioh to determine his true location.
Kenshiro absorbed the knowledge of Hokuto Sokei allowing him to complete Hokuto shinken and giving him access to better tech to counter Ryuuken. MT and his other tech was already perfected, that's even the reason why Kenshiro beat Raoh. His MT was of true sadness while Raoh didn't fully go through with killing Yuria. Nothing Sokei showed can allow him to beat Demon King Piccolo however.
I did forget him being able to use the full martial arts of his past rivals but there's nothing that he can really use vs. Hit. Hit is immeasurablly MFTL levels of speed, time stop, and can destroy multiple universes with his power.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
As much I am a DBZ fan, it got slow with the Super Series. Matches that Goku and gang should have won they end up losing. Now I'd give my props to Kenshiro, isn't a dull moment when he hits someone, when he hits sometime it gets me on the edge of my seat, wondering if who's going to explode. With the way things were going with DBS, I wouldn't care if Kenshiro used his Hokuto Shinken on Hit and made him explode 5 times over and the Ki he had left over could make everyone else around him feel the force and wake up DBS out of their sleep.
Like you said, Kaioh's distortion made him lose his focus, which could be argued to "break" the technique.
But unless there's some other proof I'm missing, someone could as easily argue Logia use after image trickery, instead of being truely intangible.
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I don't know anything about OP so I can't comment on how Logias and MT are similar. But in the Kaioh fight nothing about MT makes it seem like Kenshiro was intangible. Kenshiro IIRC says something about hiding his presence in "nothingness" then Kaioh responds by saying he'll destroy it. He uses Anryu Tenhaa which distorts the space surrounding Kenshiro making him lose his balance and his focus on his ki. When there were still multiple afterimages of Kenshiro Kaioh responds by saying "You're there!" then hitting the "real" Kenshiro when the after images were still around. Afterwards we never saw Musou Tensei or even mentioned again, rather Kenshiro found a new way to counter Anryu Tenha by making himself spin around until he found a footing in Anryu Tenha to make him regain his balance and afterwards he absorbs Hokuto Sokei which completes his Hokuto Shinken arts and gives him the ability to grow stronger as the fight progresses. I'll admit he does pull some intangibility esque karate chop against Kaioh but it's not Musou Tensei. It's some Hokuto Sokei move. Whether he could do that with his full body or not isn't capable of being proven.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Logia aren't even a good example, as they aren't intangible. They simply become their element. So Aokiji(Ice) for example isn't intangible, he just shatters when you hit him because he's ice and immediately puts himself back together.
Ken phases his hand right through Kaioh's guard, disrupting his hands. Not sure how anyone could argue this is anything but phase shifting/intangibility.
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Ken's fist passes through Roah's body, and ends up damaged. Roah and Ken end up back to back, which you'd expect from phasing past one another (If Roah was using speed to blitz Ken, his positioning makes no sense.)
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None of this should matter. Hit can still jump through time, so even if their speed is equalized, he'd be able to hit him several times at a level high enough to seriously injure SSJB level fighters.
Hit would pass through Kenshiro, just like Ken passed through Roah.
Also in the scans is proof Muso Tensei disrupts whatever it passes through, so Hit's more likely to hurt himself passing into Ken.
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Ken attacked Roah in real time though. Hit will be attacking Ken in the timeframe within a second, which is an area where his body can't react at all if Vegeta can't. He should still take the hit. And hahahaha at that technique actually hurting a guy on Hit's level. That's like thinking the Wolf Fang Fist would bother Goku.
Okay just here to state the Wolf Fang Fist is actually super cool okay >_>.
Also if this is a battle to see who's more skilled shouldn't speed/strength/durability be equal? So it comes down to their skills alone? Just my two cents.
Also again...the Wolf Fang Fist is awesome okay, it involves Wolves, and Fists, together...just had to clear the air on that one in case anyone was confused.
Okay first off guy, I never said the WFF wasn't awesome. I just said it wouldn't bother Goku...from like, Saiyan Saga onward. Let's be honest with ourselves.
And if it's skills alone, then you have to clarify between martial arts ability, or skills as in techniques. Because that phase technique or whatever is as much a power as Hit's Time-Step. And any other of the nerve techniques.
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