Naruto operates on another level from Dragon Ball.
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But Madara has the strength of multiple tailed beasts. Just one is a multiverse buster (At the weakest, a tailed beast is equal to Marvel's abstracts like Eternity or Death)
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Honestly. If Ki and chakra are considered different in this scenario, Tien wins.
If they are considered the same. Madara wins. Because then Madara can abosrb Tien's energy attacks.
Having said that though. Tien's Martial arts or Taijutsu would be considered greater than Might Gai's 8 gates by the obscene power scaling we see in Dragon Ball Z. In which case. Tien would win.
Not sure tien (thank you!) win in a biltz, but having the nine tail as a power source means annialation for tien. Can he stop the regenerative ability or the virus that nine tail has like he did against sakura? I don't think so.
Also, physics helps both parties. I don't think dbs characters reach sound speed, if that's what comes up in this debate and here's why. Mass effect when you pretend (trunks ruins THEORIES) like you don't know where their speed are at. Now we're playing with portable (gravity machine!) power. The verdict of flight speed (Mach 5 at best!) out weighing movement speed is being realistic in their world. An considerable amount of TRAINING in the gravity room reveal that (air current) are lacking sound speed or greater. Experimental with only 400x Gravity (vegeta!) means they could have flaws in flexibility of normal gravity because Earths Gravity is the measurement of sound! If an individual go beyond sound, odds are they will break the gravity machine because the shockwave of them moving will be to great. It's why vegeta uses machines with lasers, the particles are held down by the gravity. Try that with a handgun, vegeta may have problems with the speed and DAMAGE the room. Him moving at sound speed in the room is impossible because of his mass, he'll definitely cause a large shockwave. So vegeta lowered the gravity so the laser beams can go faster! So if vegeta is sound speed he would switch from the gravity room over to the hyperbolic time chamber. Vegeta would have tested his speed out at any transformation so he could go further, so he's not sound speed.
There is really no evidence that anyone in Super is actually all that physically strong, Naruto has a better striking feat than anyone in Super.
That said Tien has no counter to Genjutsu. He gets stunned and then cut in half.
Guy arguably has had training against Genjutsu, now show me scans of Tien even arguably having anything even close to some training... Got nothing, then shove it bitchboy.
Edit: from the explanation of how Genjutsu works and the effects of the 8 gates there is a solid argument that you should be immune to Genjutsu.
Last edited by Henry_Pym on Jun 6th, 2017 at 01:05 AM
Not really arguably. Gai trained to face a sharingan user as a rival, and kept up with him just using taijutsu while Kakashi had genjutsu, taijutsu, and ninjutsu at his disposal.
That being said, Tien wins. As long as it's a living Madara. Nadara doesn't have the completely hax genjutsu of Tsukiyomi.
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there are far more basic Genjutsu that showed the same effect that he would need, Tsukiyomi really only seems to be powerful because of the time dilation ability but basic anbu Genjutsu put people to sleep long enough to bring them back to the leaf village.
If tien knew just how dangerous madara is he would frag the area madara is on. So it's 50/50 if tien has knowledge, otherwise madara is going to hypnotize him!
If we are doing this arguably and speculating, then Tien who got his third eye through intense meditation and can communicate with people via telepathy has greater genjutsu equivalent training then Gai ever had, and can see through and mimic any attack his opponent makes. Ofcourse the limits of this was never expanded on so I wasn't going to mention it.
But by your standards we are allowed to assume and speculate so why the **** not.