1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.
2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.
3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.
4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.
5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.
6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.
7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.
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***New Rules***
8. Observers/judges are allowed to ask clarifying questions. Anything that could be considered a for-or-against argument should be kept to themselves however. They can use whatever opinions you want to decide, but they opinions should remain to themselves. Leave the debating to the participants.
9. Non-official posts should NOT happen. If you have to answer a clarifying question from a judge or observer, briefly deal with it in 1 of your 9 posts. Thank you.
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****New-ER Rules****
10. Shielding -
A bunch of stuff has come to my attention, like things that only act as shields during prep but then serve another function once the battles starts. To save confusion and hassle, the general rule will be to allow such things. Provided they are not used actively toward another function until the actual battle starts, it will be allowed.
Judges: I've been out of town and I'm a bit behind this week. I'll have judges in the next few days.
Battle Location: A 3-Dimensional mirror maze the size of Africa and with the depth of the moon. Combatants, if they wish, can use the element of surprise and/or confusion to gain the advantage, as the mirrors project dozens of images in any given spot. Or not....either way.
Prep Time:[/b]
First things first our team decides it is going to make a ton of shields around. Shaman and Kyle are going to put up 15-20 shields around the entire team roughly with three feet in between them. We are going to make the outer one the strongest being able to take Energy attack and physical attacks, and teleportation. It will also be made to block out all light (effectively making us invisible like shaman has done before with his presence to others). then working down with our shields. Roughly 10X10 will be the space left inside enough to allow us. We also will be blocking out telepathic attacks as well so. As usual they will be made to let things out but not allow anything in. So with a mixture of our Magic and GL shields we are safe from any attack the other team is going to use on us for the precious first few moments of this match. The inner most 10 feet will be protected by Jugg's personal first Field (and since Kyle knows Hal and Maxima, and Shaman or juggs should know surfer, we should be set)
Shaman also finishes his prep by summoning the wind Spirits to protect Juggs (which he again tells him that he can fly). He will also take out a few things from his pouch to be used during battle(They aren't operational so they are ok to pull out during prep.)
During the last few moments of our prep we discuss everything we are about to do to make sure everyone is on the same page.
Kyle then says his Oath and recharges as everyone else gets ready.
FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!
As soon as the battle begins Kyle makes his 5 Daxamite constructs
As soon as Shaman sees the Daxamites he quickly makes an illusion where two of the daxamites now look like Kyle and the other looks like Shaman. The daxamites then help make sure the shields are still strong: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/...ight1908mx7.jpg
Many are going to be wondering how we are doing all this why when the other team has found us by now, well with the shields up we are completely protected from them and invisible. It gives us the precious few moments we need and plus all this is only going to take a few scant moments to complete so we are getting all this done without much problem.
Now we are ready to fight under our own terms yes we are the ones setting the pace to this fight now and we are going to do it in a big way. Kyle decides it is time to let loose the dogs of war and tells the Daxamites to aid Juggernaut in everything he needs. Cain runs to get ready to leave. Kyle then makes Juggs into an 8 story high flying engine of destruction by matter manipulating him.
It is time and now Juggs, the Daxamites, and the two look alikes set out without Kyle and Shaman.
Anyways a Giant Juggs and his horde leave the shield ready to start havoc. With his new Super Brain and the speed lending of the Daxamites it won't be hard for Cain to follow the other team and that includes SS. The Daxamites are roughly Superman level so they don't need a boost to reaction time.
This is the fun part you see voters Leo/Khan are going to say they are invisible (if they follow the last plan) which will be true for Cain but one of the best things about having 5 people around who can Use, Absorb, and Scan for all kinds of energy is that they can Use, Absorb, and SCAN for all types of energy. Well there are going to be only to big sources of energy here the GL power and the Power Cosmic so we will know exactly where you guys are when attacking.
The daxamites will also direct cain to where you are and then he will use this attack with some cool GL sunglasses that let him see the opposition (or energy signature) also thanks to his increased size everyone of them will be the size of cars: http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9655/fireui6.jpg
Nice little magic trick isnt it?
Anyways I don't think this will keep you guys down but it is merely a way for us to get close to you guys. Since Juggs is flying next to supes level guys lending him speed and he he keeps firing I don't think it will be hard.
Once they get close it is going to be even harder for you guys, trust me on this because 5 Supes level characters with GL rings and Speed lending abilites plus an 8 story tall Juggernaut is right next to you and you guys are going to be finding hard pressed to get away. Why?? Did I happen to mention that Cain's forcefield also has a Momentum Stealing Quality to it here let us show you: http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5875/jj3yx8.gif
You'll notice one thing that he says Momentum and you see Thor's Hammer being thrown (as stated many times it gets thrown at the speed of light) so your guys are going to be going EXTREMELY slower now that Cain will have you in his shield. Another advantage to being bigger now is his Force Field is going to be a football field in radius (or bigger). Add in the speed lending ability to the Daxamites and you see that we are still moving really fast compared to you guys (taking into account that the Daxamites can also steal speed). By now you guys are completely engaged with this task force also thinking that Kyle and Shaman are already there.
But wait where are the real Kyle and Shaman? They are watching all this invisible hidden. This is what they have been waiting for and now decide to act. Shaman teleports himself and Kyle far above the battle taking place so even Maxima can't see them.
Any distance Kyle had from Hal and Surfer (independently) in terms of power have just been reached and hell maybe even surpassed by a tiny bit. And we all know that Kyles ring is the best: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j...ster_01/dfh.jpg
Kyle now amped up by his rings flies for Hal to fight him.
Shaman now decides to even the favor to our side even more. He throws out the anti flying powder: http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d...Flight12-20.jpg
Now I'll bet the GL rings can handle the magic, but Surfer has had a small flaw when it comes to high end magic: http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?...svsloki14gm.jpg
His ability to fly (using his board) would therefore be terminated. Maxima can get tangled up with the plant life around us (and if the damn setting doesnt have plant life, the ground itself will do) Seeing as how he is still telepathically shielded he also casts out these two spells:
Clouding Dust: Pulled from the pouch this is used to dull the opponent's mind.
Daylight Enchantment: A stone pulled from pouch that emits a calming light that can even soothe the Hulk.
So now your dulled mentally, AND your calmed so much your in a passive state of mind.
Basically my team caught you in the spiderweb of Juggs momentum stealing shield, the daxamites can also steal your speed, and your fighting like a sleeping 4 year old retard.
Silver Surfer
While powerful, we have more than enough in store for him. Juggs has already taken away all kinetic energy so you are in effect trapped in a spiderweb. along with Shaman he has already cancelled your greatest weapons: Speed and the ability to fly. Hell without his board being able to fly GL can just do this: http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/...rdcppg30tr7.jpg
While not a black whole in essense, it does essentially the same thing without death. With Shamans extra magic surfer is goin to be so calm and passive and dulled its not even funny. Seeing as how physical force isnt Surfers strongest suite, Juggernaut can physically tango with the brain dead surfer while shooting of magic blobs all over the place. Plus having the Daxamites around to physically tango with him as well, it doesnt look like the Surfers greatest day at all
Or to finish him quickly two of our daxamites could pull off this feat: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/...orad48uzkn9.jpg
or http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radno17zy.jpg http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radno22nl.jpg
Our Daxamites >>>>Ironman and can do anything he could.
Hal Jordan
Ahh the matchup of the tourny and everyone knows it
Now Kyle is amped by having more rings, and as shown can stand up to Hal at his most powerful (Parallax) when he was just a ROOKIE. Plus even traitor stated that Hal wasnt able to face him at the powerlevel that Kyle faced him at. And Sandman says he will surpass him...I think that time as already come and gone dont you? Magic has dulled him, calmed him and he cant really move. Kyle on the other hand can still control the ring, and can kick his butt once and for all. Maybe do something like this?: http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j...ter_01/cvbg.jpg
Maxima
Ahh the pesky Lady Maxima....Shamans general magic having dealt with the other members and herself, he decides to target her specifically. As shown by the plant scan Leo himself gave, she cant control plants or ground if it comes relentlessly at her. Shaman simply has the ground keep on growing and to not stop. Not even her telekinetic ablities would help (if she can even use them properly after having her mind calmed and dulled by high end magic)
Brief Coverage
Juggs is more than just brute force, and we have you stuck motionless while your mind has been tampered with magic. From there we pick and choose how to dispose of you. Simple as that.
Prep: Our plan for prep has several parts so they are divided up for ease of reading.
First, our team will share certain memories among themselves:
Hal shares all of his memories/experience/training as a GL as well as the aspect of his personality that grants him such a strong will with the SS and Max. SS could easily absorb and understand all of this information: http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sstpty7.jpg
As a telepath of the highest order, Max should have no trouble absorbing and understanding the vast bulk of the information sent to her.
Next, Max will share with Hal all of the memories/experience/training she has relating to using and controlling Superman-level strength and speed.
SS will share with Hal and the AI in Hal's ring all of his knowledge regarding the details of his creation, the nature of his powers and his body, and his memories/experience in using his powers. Hal's ring will also conduct a detailed scan of the SS’s body and powers with the SS’s aid, and Hal will open the ring to the SS's mind and the SS will send the ring AI all the info directly.
Memories exchanged, Hal pre-programs his ring to do several things a pico-second into the fight:
1. Generate 11 copies of itself with 9 attaching themselves permanently to Hal's other fingers and the other 2 attaching themselves permanently to Max and SS. Creating copies of rings is nothing new for Hal: http://img79.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ern031117jr.jpg
2. Rings made, Hal’s ring will next combine all the info it and Hal gathered about SS and create 5 independent constructs of the SS giving each a GL ring. Each ‘SS’ will have knowledge/experience in using the Power Cosmic (that SS freely offered earlier) as well as all of Hal's memories/experience/training that makes Hal the greatest of GLs. In short, each ‘SS’ will be an expert in the use of both of their powersets the second they are created.
Some may be wondering if Hal can create independent constructs like this. In fact, Hal has done a very similar feat:
While on his way to destroy Oa, a part of Hal Jordan did not want to destroy the Green Lantern Corps or its base of operations on Oa. Thus, Hal subconsciously created a child named Marty, who represented all the best aspects of himself (sound familiar?). That child found Tom Kalmaku, gave him a Green Lantern ring, and asked him to fix what Hal had destroyed. Tom used the ring to rebuild the Central Power Battery and Oa in all its majesty.
Legacy: The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan
Lastly in prep, SS will erect his most powerful force field around our entire team with plenty of room within it. It will block all EM energy, sound energy, or ring energy (which he will be very familiar with thank to Hal's memories) and it will also be opaque so the other team cannot see what we are doing. Keep in mind that the SS's shields have withstood the unimaginable forces of a black hole.
Recap:
--memories shared
--ring pre-programmed to (1) create copies of itself for SS and Max, (2) create SS constructs and arm each armed with a ring and the memories/skills of SS and Hal
Battle Plan:
Once the battle begins Hal's ring acts. In the first fractions of a second both SS and Max are GLs with all of Hal's memories/experience/training. Max then acts to both reinforce our team shields and monitor the other team along with the Surfer and his Cosmic Awarness. Enabling us to instantly respond to the other team if need be.
In the next pico-second our 5 SS GL constructs are created.
After the SSs are created, Hal moves on to improving himself. First he will use his rings to transform his human DNA into Kryptonian DNA. Proof? Hal has scanned and manipulated Superman's body several times before.
After Hal has turned himself into a Kryptonian, he and the SS create massive amounts of yellow solar energy to "sundip" Hal. Hal will then order his rings to divert/block any red sunlight or kyrptonite radiation that he might come into contact with.
Please bear in mind -- most of this was already pre-planned in prep and pre-programmed into the ring. Though it seems like a lot, it takes only a few moments to enact the bulk of our plan and all of it is done while we are tucked within the Surfer's large shield.
Recap:
--ring makes Hal and Max Gls and gives Hal 9 extra rings
--ring makes SS constructs complete with rings
--SS gives each SS construct a portion of the PC
--Hal becomes Kryptonian
We then engage the enemy thusly:
Each of our characters scans the battlefield and teleports directly to our opponents. Each SS construct attacks an opposing construct. Even Daxamite constructs will not stand long against constructs with a combination of SS’s and Hal’s power and the skill to use them. The first thing they will try to do is imprison the constructs in either their rings or their surfboards.
The Surfer takes Kyle. Again we have the advantage. Not only is the Surfer vastly faster than Kyle in terms of reaction times but he can even match Kyle construct for construct. With a GL shield AND his own invulnerability, it is difficult to imagine Kyle harming SS. Meanwhile, SS can simply imprison Kyle or just continually pound him with a combination of the PC and his ring (perhaps even creating a HYBRID of these powers (as he did with his own PC and the ODINPOWER) greater than either alone . . .) until Kyle is overwhelmed, as SS did without a ring in the non-canon xover where they met. Recall too -- it is almost universally accepted that it would take a very strong GL to even hope to match SS. Here, not only does SS have PC, but also all the abilities/skills of the supreme GL. A strong GL (might) = SS, but a strong GL <<< SS GL.
Hal and Max concentrate on Shaman and Juggs. Shaman's shields can be destroyed by a sundipped Kryptonian Hal or simply be teleported past. If as last time they leave only minimal space between shields, Hal shrinks himself so he can fit in-between the shields and attack. Once beyond the shield Hal places a shield around Shaman’s pouch then kills him in any number of infinite of ways. Juggy is far too slow to hit Max and she is likely as strong as he is and more skilled H2H. With her ring, she will simply open the ground and seal him up in it causing Juggs to climb out and take time. She will then help SS or Hal while Juggs tries to escape and until all 3 can take Jugg’s out.
Still seems kind of iffy though , I mean creating stuff like dragons and people yeah , but friggen Daxamites ! With all theirs powers AND their own Gl rings....
Thanks for the input...but it's been settled. We have an independant construct rule that was laid down earlier. And leo and kahn honestly seem to think they have it covered, so it should be an interesting fight.
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Okay, there were so many errors and false assumptions made in your opening gentlemen, that the most difficult part is trying to decide where to start!
(1) combining shields is a no-no according to the rules. There is no ‘layered’ shielding. At least according to illadelph (who I assume will judge this and whom I assume will have no problem verifying this point) and fyi: blocking all light will NOT render you invisible – it makes your shield reflective – of course, easy enough for our gl’s to alter the wavelengths they can perceive to render the reflective nature of your shield void. oh, and if it's shaman -- doesn't he need a special powder to make things invisible . . .? i don't recall seeing you SAY he used an invisibility powder . . .
(2) assumption #1 is made: please PROVE kyle’s shields can prevent a teleporter from getting inside them. Seems a lot of judges thought spartan wouldn’t have trouble using his teleproting powers last round against you guys . . .
(3) assumption #2 is made: please PROVE juggy can EXTEND his shield to include shielding all of you in prep! (not that layered shields are legal -- at least according to ill . . .) and even if they ARE legal by some weirdness, again, prove kyle can stop teleporters (especially itsy-bitsy ones who can fit snugly between layers . . .), and juggs can extend his field.
(4) in order to prevent tp assaults, shaman needs to pull out a very specific powder – unfortunately for you gentlemen, you . . . never pulled it out. again! Oh, mungi will gladly verify this point, right king . . .?
uh-oh, that really sucks as you seemed to want to send shaman at maxima . . .
(5) the wind spirit that you used so very incorrectly in the last round WILL be used correctly this round. Problem? Since juggs has not passed the spirit test, the spirit would sooner listen to mili vanili than listen to any commands juggs would give it! The wielder of the spirit needs to pass the test to control the spirit. ‘Fraid juggs in ground-bound . . . unfortunately, that means he will be OUT of this fight almost completely and THAT would give us the numbers advantage right at the outset. Shame shame!
(6) umm, you mention juggs uses his ‘super-brain’. problem? You . . . NEVER CREATED ONE FOR HIM IN YOUR PLAN!! Brilliant!
(7) assumption #3 is made: someone can . . . perform matter manipulation on juggernaut?? uh-oh, better PROVE that one while you’re trying to convince everyone of all those others things too . . . Juggs is INVULNERABLE. He has no control over this invulnerability. The shield is (at times) depicted as being a consciously controlled thing, but he STILL retains the bulk of his powers. He is NOT being matter manipulated – with or without his very inconsistently depicted shield. Which also means he doesn’t have a ‘super-brain’! Even HAD you mentioned giving him one!! Hahahah!!
(8) force globs? Hahahahahah. They can break . . . a TREE!! And someone on our team will even NOTICE them?? And you left out the part where juggs can psionically control them. What, he can’t? But then . . . won’t they be pummeling YOUR team too!? Hahahahha!
(9) you are gonna fool US with . . . illusions!? Bwhahhaahhaahah or in ss’s own words:
(10) assumption #4: PROVE a daxamite CAN steal speed! In circle of fire, it was GREEN LIGHTNING (the flash GL) who could steal speed, and even then she wasn’t very good with it and had trouble using her 2 abilities at once. She DID overcome the problem, but not easily and not without a lot of effort. And if it IS so easy to just whip up ‘speed stealing’ well then, KAHN will address a tiny amendment to our OWN creations . . .
(11) assumption #5: juggs can extend his shield to . . . absorb all kinetic energy!! Good lord, gentlemen. You see something then automatically think you can rework the power to suit your own ends even though there is NO PROOF he can do such a thing?? You’ll need to be a LOT better than that to compete in this, let alone win. PROVE he is capable of doing such a thing. These scans are from the SAME battle with thor. Doesn’t appear he did too well in the ‘kinetic energy halting’ department . . .
and it certainly didn't stop his hammer from spinning, catching his wrist and it certainly didn't lessen his impact on that asteroid!! hahahha!
(12) in what was perhaps my FAVOURITE PART of a . . . remarkable opening: you showed a scan of kyle making ring copies . . . USING HAL’S RING!! Hahahahahahah!!! So, now all you need to do is PROVE kyle is capable (with his current ring) of making copies!
(13) your plan to trap max in . . . plants and ground was very, er, innovative. Alas, we now know she has a . . . POWER RING! Back to the drawing board old chaps! not that your plan of attack has a chance in hell of staying as it was . . .
oh yeah, WHO'S dictating this fight again . . . that's right: the guys who DIDN'T make a 100 errors in their opening post!
(14) and finally, perhaps my SECOND favourite part (I KNOW mungi is laughing somewhere wondering if this error will be caught) if shaman DOES use his anti-flying powder . . . NO ONE ON HIS TEAM CAN FLY EITHER!! Why not show the scan gentlemen? (I’m sure again mungi would back this up!) – in the scan SNOWBIRD IS ALSO FROZEN!! And yet another great decision in your battle plan!! Remind me again exactly why we were supposed to be so afraid of you guys . . .
so very sloppy, gentlemen . . .
ANYWAY . . . Their shield does NOT render them invisible. invisble powder was NOT used (nor could it be in prep . . . CHEATERS!) They do NOT have layers of shields. Shaman is NOT immune to tp -- again he could NOT have pulled that powder in prep either . . . (CHEATERS x 2!!) Juggs is NOT a giant. Juggs can NOT fly. IF their dax’s can steal speed, it is a moment’s concentration for hal to give the same power to our ss’s (or better yet they can simply control the kinetic energy around the constructs and stop them like that) and they have no proof their shields can stop teleporters. On top of that we have 3 gl’s that can work in concert to decimate his shield anyway! if you looked up the definition of SHAMBLES in the dictionary, there would be a great big picture of their opening strategy sitting beside it . . . hahahahah!
Needless to say, OUR plan proceeds unhindered (can't you just pictures their faces everyone -- holy sh!t they got independent constructs too!! SH!T!!! we are SOOO screwed . . .): ss’s are made, ss and max are gl’s, etc . . . We teleport to our opponents only this time, while she approaches juggernaut MAX senses shaman (the REAL shaman as ss effortlessly sees through the illusions and relays the info to max and hal via tp or the rings. . .) is vulnerable to tp and she takes a moment to ko him with a single blast, blowing his head clean off, like this:
max then deals with a grounded juggs by simply trapping him in her ring or sealing him deep within the mirror-world or by putting him in an elastic, ever revolving sphereical construct that moves WITH him and bends but doesn't break at his pounding.
All 3 of us then attend to kyle . . .
down goes the former champ! down goes the former champ. oh, and newjak, too . . .
oh, and mungi, the contestants can vote. not sure who the OTHERS are though . . .
He can use a powder or actually cast the spell himself, as for a period during Infinity Cruade and Wars he never used his bag but relied on casting the spells himself
yes and no, Shaman can cast the spell or use a powder.
Correct, Juggernaut needs to pass the Spirit Test to fully ask for the spirits aid. Shaman can ask the spirits to help him, but if anything should arise it would have to be Shaman to direct the spirits. Unless they fully agree during the prep to listen to him, which is not up to me to prove or dispute.
In past incidents, Shaman has been shown who would be manipulated with each spell through a concentration of will. He actually wanted to stop Snowbird and Northstar from fighting that's why he used the spell.
Is that all the validation I have to do?
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" smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.
Jul 23rd, 2006 10:49 PM
oh, and if it's shaman -- doesn't he need a special powder to make things invisible . . .? i don't recall seeing you SAY he used an invisibility powder . . . 
uh-oh, better PROVE that one while you’re trying to convince everyone of all those others things too . . . Juggs is INVULNERABLE. He has no control over this invulnerability. The shield is (at times) depicted as being a consciously controlled thing, but he STILL retains the bulk of his powers. He is NOT being matter manipulated – with or without his very inconsistently depicted shield. Which also means he doesn’t have a ‘super-brain’! Even HAD you mentioned giving him one!! Hahahah!!
.... the votes are now 5 - 5 .... a lot of us said having a poll was a bad idea
This match is a Herald Level Version of Long Pig/Blair Wind battle....nice plans, nonetheless.
