Just to clarify I will be posting feats from Guardian II who is stated to be inferior to the upgraded Guardian I, but posting the scans to show the capabilities of Guardian I as her suit is based off of his original design. So what you see her doing, amplify it and then you have James Hudson.
Offense Introduction
No need to make extensive battle plans or extensive prep as Guardian just as is, is a force to be reckoned with. Guardian with his complete and utter control of the electromagnetic spectrum a spectrum is utmost dangerous, as Apoc is a part of it. It doesn’t take him long to pinpoint a wavelength, but once he accesses the wavelength of say Apoc mind he can simply control and override it as he can with ALL electromagnetic frequencies. Below Guardian shows he can pinpoint a persons frequency and even shut their brains down. Heather shows she can take energy attacks sent at her and send them back stronger at the opponent. Plus Guardian schools Dr.Doom and Galactus so effortlessly Apoc doesn’t have much of a chance.
Also while Mac tries to pinpoint the frequency he can deliver EXTENSIVE amount of damage with his E-M blasts. These powerful blasts have killed Snowbird in Sasquatch form with one blow, rendered a weakened Galactus useless, and incinerated a car instantly. Apoc does have excellent durability, but against this firepower? Not a chance, he would be left a puddle of goo and yes Apoc has healed from said goo in the past, but Guardian can keep doing this till the cows come home until he simply registered Apoc frequency and shuts him down for good. If things are not going Guardian’s way, which they should he can simply use flares and powerful sonics to greatly disorient his opponent leaving them open for a barrage of attacks or time to lock on their frequency and shut them down.
Stamina? Power consumption could play a key role in this battle, but an issue that means little to Mac as classic Mac has shown to recharge his suit in seconds. So Mac could literally keep going indefinitely
Also there is no contest Mac is vastly superior in speed, via base level and using his “teleportation” trick that allows him to reach speeds faster then mach 33. The speed advantage is quite large, sure Apoc tagged classic Quicksilver, but QS can’t hold a candle to the speed of Guardian. Below are scans of Mac and Heather using their speed not simply for traveling, but using their speed in combat situations.
Summary:
-Mac can pinpoint Apoc wavelength and simply shut him down
-Mac has blasts that have killed beings with Sasquatch durability and defeated a weakened Galactus with a single attack
-Mac has an indefinite stamina supply, where he can recharge his suit even when it’s depleted in seconds.
-Mac has superior speed, which he can use to avoid all of Apoc attacks, while he can deliver continuous attacks uninterrupted thanks to his computer mind reflexes.
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--------------------------------------------- Wavelength Manipulation
--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #100 (Vol.1) or Alpha Flight Special - 4/4: Galactus
Guardian has sent half of the heroes to the Quwrlin homeworld in order to battle Galactus. Galactus was indeed weakened, but what is interesting to note Guardian tool Galactus down in one shot when the combined might of Guardian II, Her, Quasar, Windshear, BOX IV, Hercules, Vision and Sersi couldn’t
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #94 (Vol.1)
Since Mac has a computer mind it makes it damn near impossible for anyone to use telepathic attacks on him, the more he becomes machine the less the attacks will work. Here he blocks Headlok's control over Alpha Flight the Fantastic Four and frees a town under his manipulation
1. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f...ightv191-04.jpg-- --------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #96 (Vol.1) or Alpha Flight: Special #1/4
Heather and Cyborg James are shown sending out an EMP on Consortium’s shields disrupting their power
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------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #121 (Vol.1)
Guardian gets hit by Klaw's sound attacks, but she absorbs it and sends it back amplified even taking Klaw out
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--------------------------------------------- Energy Blasts
--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #100 (Vol.1) or Alpha Flight Special - 4/4: Galactus
Guardian has sent half of the heroes to the Quwrlin homeworld in order to battle Galactus. Galactus was indeed weakened, but what is interesting to note Guardian tool Galactus down in one shot when the combined might of Guardian II, Her, Quasar, Windshear, BOX IV, Hercules, Vision and Sersi couldn’t
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---------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #120 (Vol.1):
Heather lets lose a powerful blasts that incorporated all her battle systems into one attack. That's Electromagnetic projectors, Down beam pulse, Flare, Ultrasound beam, Graviton beam, Concussion wave, and a Dispersal beam all into one lethal attack
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--------------------------------------------- Marvel Two-In-One #84
Battling the would-be God, Ranark the Ravanger. Vindicator (classic James) lets out a blast that even staggered him.
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--------------------------------------------- Uncanny X-Men #140
Mac (classic James) shows the power of his suit incinerating a car thrown out him in seconds
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #42 (Vol.1)
Heather uses a plasma burst that is so strong it killed Snowbird while in Sasquatch form
Offense [Part:2/2]
--------------------------------------------- Disorientation Attacks
--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #113 (Vol.1):
Here Heather is using a flashbang to blind Mauler, a Iron Man villain
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #127 (Vol.1):
Heather using her sonics on Wonder Man and their so effective she stops to prevent major damage.
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--------------------------------------------- Stamina
--------------------------------------------- Marvel Two-In-One #84
Battling the would-be God, Ranark the Ravanger. Guardian (pre-upgrade) lets out a blast that even hurts Ranark and his suit recharges in seconds.
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--------------------------------------------- Speed
--------------------------------------------- Marvel Two-In-One #84
Here Mac uses his speed to shunt away from Ranark’s attack with no damage what’s so ever. This method can be used to avoid all of his opponents attack. With this "shunt" Mac reaches up 18.5 miles per second. Escape velocity [mach 32.7] is 7 miles per second.
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #113 [Vol.1]
Here Heather speedblitzes Mauler an Iron Man villain who was said to even be faster then Iron Man himself. Yet she keeps easily catching up to him and this was an inexperienced Heather at the time to.
Defense Introduction
What would Apoc even do to Mac? The Guardian shields have proven themselves time after time to be one of the best in the Marvel universe. They have withstood a nuke, combined attacks from Witchfire, Shaman, Human Torch, Windshear and Guardian II, etc. Apoc has no means of breaking through the shields where many have failed.
Cloaking perhaps? Won’t work either due to Guardian’s multiple sensors, which has enabled him to see cloak opponents multiple times.
Well before you try to use Apoc ability to use telepathy, think again. Thanks to Mac being basically a computer it’s practically impossible to attack his mind, and if you attack his human side of his mind the computer side takes over
Also attempting to battle field remove Guardian would fail. Below not even Nightcrawler can accomplish it on Heather Hudson, while Mac below he shows he can teleport multiple people to a different dimension instantly.
Summary:
-Mac has an impenetrable forcefield that have withstood far more then what Apoc can dish out.
-Apoc can’t use a cloaking device to hide as Mac can see him.
-Mac can’t be mind attacked
-Mac can’t be battle field removed
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #20 (Vol.2)
At the Hellpounder, which is an atomic incinerator at Devil’s Bay. It’s used in theory that dangerous goods could be dropped into an extremely deep, earth drilled core tube and disposed of by a chasing nuclear detonation. Both Mac and James (clone) create a E-M shield covering the entire Hellpounder after a nuclear explosion goes off. Guardian I does most of the work as Guardian III never had the cybernetic augmentation.
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #34 (Vol.1)
After James apparently died [classic Guardian], Heather took up the mantle and went to Wolverine to train her to be a hero. She hasn't fully learned how to control the suit, but her shield is strong enough to break Deathstike's sword, which was giving Wolverine’s, claws a hard time.
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--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #96 (Vol.1) or Alpha Flight: Special #1/4
Cyborg Guardian shows he can see cloaked objects by seeing the wavelength it’s hidden under
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--------------------------------------------- Telepathic Resistance
--------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight #94 (Vol.1)
Since Mac has a computer mind it makes it damn near impossible for anyone to use telepathic attacks on him, the more he becomes machine the less the attacks will work. Here he blocks Headlok's control over Alpha Flight the Fantastic Four and frees a town under his manipulation
Apocalypse looked to have the edge in this fight, and against a (sub) skyfather level HE, though he did not beat him. High Evolutionary is one who has fought a constantly evolving Immortal Hercules and the Avengers singlehandedly.
Apocalypse defeats or has the definitive upper hand against Ikaris in a fight, even stating he could kill him (likely sub-atomic dispersal over a very wide area for a Prime Eternal). Does severely injure Ikaris with some sort of spike, which had to be more than a physical attack to do that to him. Ikaris also fell to Earth unconscious.
Cable confirming that he has the same virus as Apoc and that Apocalypse can regen himself from a single drop of blood.
Apocalypse can create materials and alloys out of his body, and he's altered adamantium and encountered it before. He took Sabertooth's adamantium and gave it back to Wolverine when he made him into his Death horseman.
A weakened Apocalypse (As he was during the entire Apocalypse vs. Dracula mini-series) vs. one of his most powerful descendants who was also turned into a vampire (increasing his power).
*snickers* Not a great showing here, as Mac could literally send out an E-M field instantly disrupting their neural patterns taking out all the X-Men, which he can defiently do to Apoc
I was talking about his healing factor in general not how he got like that. Not like it matters as there is no way for Apoc to stop Mac from shutting him down.
and where or where did HE show any level of subskyfather power here? Because if that's subskyfather I guess that means Guardian is above taking down Galactus and all. Hell here is Heather defeating two Elder Gods [Tolomaq & Kariooq]. I guess Guardian is skyfather after all
and how oh how does that even come close to realating to Guardian? He isn't a melee fighter so he won't charge at him, and he has insanely durable shields. Shields Apoc would not get through.
and how do we know how strong Blackbolt's scream was here? Considering the surrounding area wasn't effected I'm not to concerned. While Mac has shown to take a nuke and cover an entire building to protect from the nuke
and? Apoc made Monolith so I don’t see how that’s impressive.
Meh again, this was pre-upgrade Cyclops who has an unlimited supply. Back in those days Cyclops tired himself out frequently. While Mac has an indefinite amount of stamina. Also Guardian > Cyclops
*scratches his head* That’s it? Mac has complete and utter control over the E-M spectrum. Has anyone else ever did this to Doom? Nope.
Not really if those blasts have defeated Galactus, why would Apoc be safe. Also your going by the assumption Mac only can with through melee, which he doesn’t even need to or is it a focal point of him winning here. He would access Apoc wavelength and shut him down, he has no defense against that. He doesn’t even have to touch him to that. Here Mac disrupts Headlok’s entire control and preventing him from using his telepathy again
Hell here is classic Mac instantly tapping into a Plodex ship and taking control, where years later the combined genius of Hank Pym, Tony Stark, Stingray and Black Knight only were able to tap into a small part of it’s power. You think Mac is an ameateur to technopathy? Not at all
Fine and dandy, but he has never done that on the fly or like it matters as basically all Mac has do to is register his wavelength and shut him down for good not even needing to go melee.
So? and while he heals fromt he drop of blood, which would be awhile so don't see how this is an advatnage Mac still can pinpoint his wavelength and shut him down, without cosntantly hitting him with a barrage of EM blasts
Sure he can, but on the fly without his technology? Not at all. He doesn't have prep and it's not like Guardian is going to be standing still allowing him to do anything.
Oh my your not actually comparing a vampire with Guardian are you? Guardian is faster, stronger, more durability, has more abilities, etc, etc. etc. If anything this hurts your case if a vampire could still do what he did to Apoc here.
Ummm...so? This is Wolverine. Wolverine claws > Apoc bullets
Basically every ability Mac has via speed, power and durability. Not going to happen, especially since this isn't a virus Mac is the technology
You would be false, if Madison Jeffries who is the ultimate technoparth failed against Mac, why would Apoc win with tech that doesn't have full abilities from the celestials, and Guardian was rebuilt to take on Galactus himself work?
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===== Summary:
-You still have no way to stop Guardian from simply accessing Apoc frequency and shutting him down
-You still have no way to counter Guardian VAST speed advantage
-You still have no way to actually HARM Guardian thanks to his impenetrable shield
-Your only attack thus far, your technopathy tactic has been debunked.
So basically Guardian can zip around Apoc as long as he wants, taking no damage hitting him with a barrage of fire that rocked Galactus until he access his wavelength which won’t take long and simply shut him down for good.
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Last edited by -K-M- on Oct 15th, 2007 at 03:30 AM
Clarification
This section is to help clarify things for those who may be unfamiliar with certain aspects of Guardian’s power or the tactics in general
Q. How is Guardian built to fight Galactus with Canadian tech?
A. Well he isn’t using Canadian tech anymore, as it was the Qwrlln who rebuilt him to take on Galactus. They have spent thousands of years trying to find a way to fight Galactus and here is the history of what happened to Mac where he first met the Qwrlln. He first comes into contact with him by protecting Heather, Mac activates the full power of the suit traveling at speeds faster then light teleporting him thousands of years into the past
Q. How are you using the “teleportation trick” as a means of using it in a battle?
A. Simply, it’s being used for both offense and defense. With offense, Guardian can “teleport” around the room at speeds faster then Mach 33 hitting his target, while Apoc could do nothing. Below is a scan of Heather using the same tactic against the uber powerful Witchfire. Now for defense, Mac shows he can simply use the trick to avoid anything that potentially could cause him harm. The first batch of scans is pre-upgrade James.
Q. Wavelength? Can Guardian really simply shut Apoc’s mind down?
A. Yes, Guardian has complete and utter control of the E-M spectrum since his upgrade and can control and override all electromagnetic frequencies. Apoc is not above the E-M spectrum, even his thought process is connected to the E-M spectrum. So can Mac shut down Apoc’s mind? Most definetly and in record time as shown below
Here Mac is so efficient with his control he frees people under the control of the powerful telepath Headlok and prevents him from taking over anyone else mind with no trouble
Q. Can Guardian’s E-M blasts hurt Apoc?
A. Yes, they can. They have hurt stronger people then Apoc from the Elder God Tundra to the would be God-Ranark
One shot put down a weakened Galactus, when the combined might of Quasar, Windshear, Her, Vindicator II, BOX IV, Vision, Sersi, and Hercules failed to do so
Heather lets lose a powerful blasts that incorporated all her battle systems into one attack. That's Electromagnetic projectors, Down beam pulse, Flare, Ultrasound beam, Graviton beam, Concussion wave, and a Dispersal beam all into one lethal attack. To say the least Apoc would most definetly feel that
Knowing the best way to stop Headlok is to activate Mac's computer mind, so Vindicator, Windshear, Human Torch, Shaman and Witchfire all attack him at once and Vindicator commenting she is hitting him with everything she got and all it did was activate his computer mind
Ummm...what does any of that have to do to stop wavelength manipulation? If your posting random feats, I can do the same thing. Even your initial post really didn't counter anything, your just posting things which have no bearing here. Even the people who you think are impressive would do nothing to Guardian, so your basically back to square one.
All that doesn't even the least show he can stop wavelength manipulation, cope with his speed or even blasts that defeated a weakened Galactus, or his durability
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