Hello then and good luck to everyone for this match.
It will be Monday 7:00 EST to Saturday EST.
Location: The prison. This is an old super powered containment area. On a planet like Earth but completely barren of life and covered completely with sand.
The prison is roughly the size and shape of the Empire State Building but under ground. The prison has long since been abandoned. All the power is off save one spot in the very bottom reserved the most powerful people.
This is the only active power nullfier unit still left operational and is still going. Any person within the unit, which is 15 yards by 15 Yards and 20 yards, will automatically lose their powers becoming a human stat wise. This is even if they possess an alien style body. The Unit is made out of tough metal(Slightly below adamantium).
Prep Time: I'm trying something a little different for this round. The prep time will be thirty relative minutes. That means no matter how fast you can move or think you will still only have thirty minutes to work with. Thus Snailman and the human light speeder would still have the same exact amount of prep time to work in and still have the opportunity to get the same amount done.
Judges: Ha-Son, Newjak, illadelph12
Each side receives 8 posts with which to get their point across.
Akuki has forfeited his prep, as per rules on the first page Bran now can only field 3 characters.
Here is the rule:
Come out fighting and let's get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are many problems with your guy's prep. I'll point out the ones that help me the most.
Not to disrespect you guys though, because I think the plan could/is beautiful... however, it's not sufficient here.
First off:
When has Animal Man replicated 'human' powers... let alone Kryptonian powers?
And when has he used cellular mitosis to replicate himself? Plus, he's going to replicate kryptonian powers 6 times?
I'd like to see some evidence, please.
Also, if any of this blast hits Wonder Woman... she's screwed, simply put. Her bracelets may be indestructible, but it depends on her strength to handle it.
Ex: Martian Manhunter knocked her down with a blast of HV.
And, even in her best feat of deflection; her arms were thrown back behind her head due to the blast.
She either doesn't hold out, or she gets thrown back, and smashes into people behind her... severely endangering your team, to a great chance of extermination... actually... 100% chance.
I don't think I need to go into more depth on this one...
Kamikaze, kamikaze!
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As for what I'm doing:
I said I was going to get Juggernaut to teleport behind you. What does it matter how many people you might have, when I have the drop on you, and am able to deliver 100-1000 Hulk level punches in seemingly one fast blow? One shot in the face drops each one of your guys. A shot in the back of the head... does so as well. This is done in a second when you're all hurtled together.
And I don't see how you're going to fire the PZG's in this small area. And if you were to hit, it's as easy as grabbing a handful of your guys (as Juggy is so huge).
And to be honest, Juggy has the best chance here to survive the big bomb.
Plus, as I left Cable, and Mac open to anything. I will BFR your opponents right away. They are also in the same area, just in case questions are brought up (I'm at the top... you're at the top). I can see them together in formation.
With Mac, I'll teleport both Firestorms away from your heroes, lets try the middle of the skyscraper tall prison, shall we (Mac was able to teleport groups of heroes against their will... most notably Quasar)?
And with Cable, I'll teleport Mac to the null field at the bottom of the prison, as soon as he senses the explosion (he was able to react to Surfer cheapshotting him, and an on panel lightspeeder trying to hit him... this explosion will not travel near that fast).
Allow me to explain of course.
Teleporting both Firestorms away will leave WW to the task of going up against that explosion all to herself... and apparently judging by your plan with Firestorm, it will the leave the sides open, for your guys to get completely decimated by the explosion... even if WW can somehow defend against the whole thing.
Plus, there is absolutely no way that the two Firestorms can defend themselves together against the massive explosion coming all around them... take into account that they have to react to it, and comprehend what just happened, and where are they?
And he's not reversing a blasts this powerful in the process.
And of course... my move on Mac. You see, according to Newjack, the little room with the null field is like unbreakable. A one way entrance as well. So, Mac might be depowered in there, but he's the only one who doesn't have to deal with the blast at all. So, even if you manage to take out Juggy, I'll still have one left.
And, if I have any more time left with Cable after teleporting Mac, I'll try to give your WW/friends thing one more chance at hell. It doesn't matter, but I might as well try. Cable most likely dies here, as he's by himself against the blast, but, a small price to pay, when you solo your whole team.
And let's be serious here, if I move at all, it will go off. If I stand there it will probably go off as well, so the big blast will probably go off a tiny bit after you finish laying them down.
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Basically, the only thing I have to do is teleport the two Firestorms (if even), and teleport Mac away.
Not important, but your plan with Animal Man seems highly questionable at best. Especially when you didn't even make it seem plausible with evidence; it was just thrown out there.
WW can't hold off the entire blast. The rest of your team will be doing nothing now, but getting drilled by Juggernaut. Hell, it's conceivable that Juggernaut can solo all the people with WW. I mean, I have the drop on them, and am extremely fast/strong.
Also, the blast most likely couldn't even take Juggy down, but meh.
And Mac is comfortable, completely away from the blast.
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You basically soloed your whole team, I just played chess.
He can now, as of 52, replicate any animal form in the universe. Even the properties of something as powerful as a Sun Eater. He's also replicated B'wana Beast's telepathy before, an alien during the Crisis, and a number of things the form of which he didn't even know. He can replicate anything connected to the morphogenic field.
She summons the aegis shield when she crosses her bracelets... this has held off a pantheon of gods, individuals who could stomp all over the justice league.
We have Firestorms capable of moving at lightspeed, who can turn the energy to sunlight if they wish.
Which just makes us stronger.
Meggan can also absorb the energy.
There's 11 of us capable of moving at lightspeed... and Diana's reflexes and MA skills which we all now possess, ridiculously surpass anything that Northstar's capable of.
You seem to think that you can teleport, take out 11 people with better skills and reflexes, before we... turn around.
Juggy is the biggest, for sure. Biggest target. And he's up against 11 people with faster reflexes and better skills that can BFR him with the press of a button.
We won't even set off the bomb until we know that you're in danger. Or your partners. Seeing as we'll be activating them manually... we're actually not in danger at all.
You left Cable and Mac open, all right.
Open to attack.
Speedsters alone, we've got almost triple what you have and they each are superior to a kryptonian. Most of them surpass a sundipped kryptonian. They all also possess a PZP, and lets not even delve into their esoteric powers (invisibility, intense telepathy, matter manipulation?)
They all possess Diana's reflexes and skills.
They all move at lightspeed.
And they're each capable of one-shotting your entire team.
And you have... Cable and Mac.
Wonder Woman alone could take the blast. And they all move as fast as her. And there won't be an explosion so long as we'd be left open to your attack.
If everybody was dead save Mac, we can set off the explosion to funnel through that one-way entrance, leaving you no escape.
We can have Manchester Black tele-rape you.
Wonder Woman can go in there and kick your ass alone... or we all can since we have her fighting skills.
The rest of the post is basically a recap of everything I've rebutted.
If there's any other proof required, name and we shall provide.
I WAS going to write some big-ass post, but to be honest, i'd just be repeating what smurph said...
he's shown that animal man is more than capable of accomplishing what's been set out...
the teleporting behind us trick won't work given that our team's speed and reflexes are at the very LEAST equal to the juggernaut/northstar combi... hell, black would sense the presence of another mind (and ww's reflexes are arguably as good as anyone's), or the kryptonians could sense the diplacement of the air and react (in all likelihood) before the cain/jean paul combo can cause any considerable damage...
the BFR tactic is shaky at best given what we've brought to the table... the argument that the pz guns are useless is pretty flawed too, considering an ARROW was capable of causing the dimensional gateway to open that leads to the phantom zone... yet our team has the guy who wrote the book on the phantom zone, and coupled with diana's accuracy, yeah, we aren't missing...
So... essentially, you have him absorbing animals. Alien animals, but animals none-the-less. If he could replicate powers such as Wonder Woman/Superman, you'd think he would have done so.
Hell, even in 52, after the people who gave him his powers, upgraded him, they told him that in order to live, he had to find an "animal power". Apparently, Sun-Eaters are animals if you tried to bring that up as proof. And he only copied their migration maps, and homing abilities. http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...ic/scan0014.jpg http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...ic/scan0015.jpg
OK, just wanted to see if it was provable. However, when has he ever done this with powers as well?
No that's not true at all.
She deflected the God's attack 15 degrees using her bracelets and strength (which is how she deflects stuff). I personally have never seen this 'all powerful shield'. If you have proof of it being powerful, could you show me?
Also, her arms were thrown right back when she deflected this attack with her unbreakable bracelets. And it says right on panel that they connect with her bracelets... http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?i...lection40gj.jpg
I personally have no idea how she's going to withstand this blast.
Firestorm(s) won't be helping the team though. And, when they're teleported, they'll be disoriented and he'll have no time to really react. And, the biggest thing he's ever transmuted pales in comparison to this thing, and this will be coming at all sides... so... really, he's screwed too.
Meggan will absorb the energy? Are you serious? I thought that the Firestorms were going to transmute the energy. This doesn't even make a lick of sense. So, Meggan/Firestorm will be absorbing and transmuting energy? That won't work.
Or, you must have forgotten that Meggan was fused with Firestorm...
Even if there was 11 of you, moving at Jor-El's speed (I don't remember Jor-El really doing that much in comics, let alone moving at lightspeed), it matters little when you're suddenly getting hit with over a 100 attacks.
And Diana could barely fight a retarded Superman's attacks. How are they supposed to help when a confirmed 99.9% lightspeeder in combat is attacking her (skills/reflexes)? They possess her dazzle, but it's not enough to really prove anything as ineffective when you're dealing with this range of speed/power.
Plus, reflexes? Did you just throw this out? Because you certainly haven't proved it. As well as, we aren't having a reaction war, so even if your reflexes were theoretically better, it means nothing when my attacks are fast enough to tag you every time. What do I have to react to? Your guys standing still at the start, and then moving their heads when I'm throwing top Flash level speed attacks? Really.
And I never said it was going to happen before you turn around, I said it was going to happen in like a second.
Not to mention, you don't even seem to know what you're doing after this happens. You say skill like it means something, but the times WW has been hit by things less than even the speed of sound is astounding.
You also mention the PZG a couple times, and yes, this could work, if you manage to pull it off. You have to turn around, aim, click, and the thing has to work before your head turns into paste.
You also have you saying skill, and PZG in the same breath... which completely rules each other out, since you can't have both.
There's a reason I mentioned his size. Because, it's easier to grab all of the guys hurtled together if I am blasted by the PZG. To BFR your guys along with Juggy that is.
Plus, so what are you actually doing? You mention your skills, yet you mention that you can BFR me in the press of a button?
Are you going to 'outskill' me and then BFR me? That makes no sense, and not to mention risky as shit if it works.
Plus, this is a small space behind WW, how effective is a 'gun' going to be in such a tiny area, with this many people?
Well... now I'm confused.
Because you just changed your argument.
You switched from me being just near them, to only activating them if you're in trouble.
I can't do anything debate wise if you change your arguments at the drop of a dime, as I don't know what could happen next - Are you just not going to set off the bombs anymore at all? And I thought that it was considered bad to change your arguments... meh, what do I know...
Also, before it's brought up, like I said, the chance of me being near a bomb is really good... so like I said (sticking to the original argument), the bombs will go off right away.
Open to attack? How so?
Oh wait... nevermind. If you hadn't changed your plan, then as soon as the battle started, the bombs would have went off.
The one way entrance door?
And how would you even know I'm there? Are you going to have Black sense me out when WW is defending against the blast? Logic tells me that trying to use TP, and defending against a humongous blast is a bad idea. Loss of concentration. Or did you forget that WW and MB are fused together?
You have a lot of 'can's', but not a lot of 'wills'. I 'can' break your team in half, but I 'will' let you kill yourself. You see how that works?
You don't even have a solid plan (no offense).
At first you were going to set off the bombs when we went near them. Now you're going to set them off when you're in trouble (which would be bad for you guys, since you won't be aligned in case the bomb does go off due to you).
After that, it's a lot of scattered 'cans'. I don't know what you're going to do. You apparently don't know what you're going to do. The judges don't know what you're going to do. How do you expect to win when your team is basically doing nothing? You can't have 'cans' without doing something.
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Either way, since this is probably my last post:
Both Firestorms are removed from WW's side.
WW can't defend against this blast, and the blast will be coming from the sides I think (due to me thinking that the FS's will be at her side due to you making it seem so), and will obliterate all.
The Firestorms will most likely be disoriented, and overwhelmed by the explosion (also due to one doing nothing, since he's transmuting, and absorbing energy ).
And to make matters worse... as just an added filler:
Juggernaut will be attacking your guys from behind. It's highly irrelevant if he does any damage at all, but it helps. If he doesn't get BFR'ed (well, he shouldn't, since you're going to be using skill and PSG's on him... errr), then he will survive since he's completely invulnerable.
And of course, MY guy is the last one standing, due to unbreakable casing, and hiding in it.
No he hasn't. He's shown that Animal Man can replicate animals(wait, he didn't show anything... nevermind), not Kryptonians.
And admittedly, he's proven that AM can replicate (although it wasn't with powers).
Black would sense hi...
Wait... Black wouldn't sense him. Juggastar has his helmet to block out tp, or have your forgotten? And what would Black do then? Tell everyone telepathically? Heh.
Sense the displacement in the air? Before Juggastar starts punching? I'm sorry, but no. Seriously. Plus, would these n00b K-nites even know what that meant?
How is it flawed? You brought absolutely nothing to the table to go against Firestorms getting BFR'ed (if that's what you're talking about).
I never said they are useless. Where did you get this from?
In fact, I even acknowledged it would/could work if fired/hit. I just said that it's hard to fire in a small space like so, and could result in a Juggernaut armful of your team getting BFR'ed as well.
This match is actually pretty easy to judge (as compared to the other).
Bran presented practically no defense for the explosion except teleporting Guardian down into a power negating cell (which will be buried in rubble if there's anything left of the building at all given the bombs were dropped down the ventilation system), and leaving all the fighting up to Juggernaut because Cable will likely die in the blast. I'm not exactly sure what this plan hoped to accomplish. Even if Juggs can survive the blast, visibility would be nearly zero due to smoke and debris, and Juggs doesn't exactly have the best senses in the world. How is he going to be able to see his opponents to attack them at ground zero of a thermonuclear matter/anti-matter explosion? And by the time the smoke does clear they'll be able to see him as well, and in a physical confrontation the odds are stacked against Juggs (nearly all of your opponents can move just as fast as you can, and you're at a severe disadvantage in numbers and versatility that punches, even fast punches, simply can't overcome), and that's if he doesn't just get sent to the Phantom Zone.
Both teams did a great job debating. However, I feel the team of Paul/Smurph edged Bran. Bran provided no real defense against the 500,000 megatons blast. His argument of Paul/Smurph megaton blast attack being suicide is incorrect as Paul/Smurph defended themselves from their own attack by firestorm ability to redirect the attack and WW braclets. Bran's plan relied heavily on a speedblitz but it's impossible to speedblitz sundipped Krytonians, a wonder woman/manchester black amalgam, a kid flash/ doctor light (female) amalgam etc.
I think Bran was at a disadvantage as he had to debate alone, otherwise he did an excellent job. However, for this debate my vote goes to the team of Paul/Smurph.
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Jason says:
what am I supposed to do?
Jon says:
clean your apt before she moves in? buy some pink bed sheets? scented candles?
Jason says:
wait, u have pink bed sheets?
Jon says:
ive said too much
Last edited by Vally-Doosh on Jun 3rd, 2008 at 04:06 PM
that surprises me, i was expecting a draw because a 500 gigaton nuclear/anti-matter detonation inside a metal bunker underground totally surrounded by dense minerals was unavoidably self-sacrificial. you can't just shunt a nuke, especially in confined quarters lol.
i mean, the little boy device was under 20 kilotons and had a 5 mile effect (over pressure wave 2 + light/radiation fires 3) and that bomb was a failure in the sense that half the plutonium-238 fissioned, the 500 gigaton detonation they created would destroy the whole moon, even at half power.
Yeah, but the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't standing behind a magic forcefield (which, on panel, has shunted blasts of similar magnitude. See the Superboy Prime Vs. Monarch battle) with 2 high end energy manipulators right next to it redirecting and altering the harmful energy as it comes at them...
Bran was by far at a huge disadvantage in this fight. Not only did he not have a partner he barely had time to post cause of his computer.
I could have seen where in this battle Bran had some good things going for him but he was not able to capitalize on them. I don't care who you are a Very Fast Juggernaut is hard to overcome, but he still has massive versatility problems. Which I think PR/Smurph's team was able to use quite nicely.
I don't think anyone else on Bran's team would have survived.
Vote: PR/Smurph
Winners: PR/Smurph and they will receive 2 points for a team win.
Although Bran will still receive 1 point for not having a teammate in this match.
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