This will be the start of the final round of matches before the championship match. As stated before this will be a 3 v 1 match. Should BW win he will have a clause that allows him to challenge the winner of the tourney upon his return. Should the trio win the winners of each pool will get the chance to exchange one of their picks with someone from B-Dub's roster.
Match will start Friday 7:00 EST
Match will end Wednesday 7:00 EST
Judges: Newjak, Illadelph, and Ha-Son.
Location: The Vortex where the wind always blows, and blows, and blows. You are inside the bubble. I'm sure you guys remember it from the first round of matches way back when. If you do not here is a quick refresher course. Energy bubble, if you can not fly you gain the ability to fly this time though it will be at Mach 9.
The sphere will be the size of the moon this time. Inside you guys get to see what a real super sand storm is. At the center exists a foot wide ball which is the eye of the storm and the only place where the wind is calm. Inside the bubble a constant stream of wind is always going around and around the bubble of energy.
The wind moves at half the speed of light, but that isn't the worst. Debris from tiny bits of sand to Car sized bits of Adamantium are caught in this maelstrom of air current. There is so much sand visibility is effectively reduced by 80%. So between the lack of sight, the high speed, and the hella hard object flying around at half of the speed of light you guys should have a merry old time.
Now just what IS the Concentrator? Called the greatest weapon in the universe it draws energy from every single place in the universe, and can then emit a near infinite amount of force-energy by concentrating all the high-power energy sources in the universe. There is no power anywhere, natural or man-made, for as long as it is in operation. That is not a false statement either, as every sun in the universe begins getting drained, all power across the universe is drained, and even the energy in super people gets drained! http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?...ionosh11pz5.jpg
I would like you to note that those are SUNS being destroyed. As in bigger than our battlefield, period.
Now, we have to realize the repercussions of having a weapon that draws energy from EVERYWHERE in the universe from ALL energy sources. Ladies and gentlemen, I draw your attention to Speed Force Energy, and from Leo’s OWN words, speed force energy is just that, energy, and can be manipulated. Just like he has Vulcan do in every match. From his own words:
So as you can see, even his vaunted speed force energy will be void in this match, which is really Leo’s best claim to fame in this tournament. So what does this mean? None of their powers or tech will work, at all! No Psi powers, no super powers, no tech, no NOTHING. Their team will be completely helpless.
However, the Concentrator is not just a defensive energy sapping weapon. That same energy that is sapped is at the same time being used offensively against the powerless, as I have shown in scans above. I of course tweak it slightly so that instead of one “nozzle” to spread the attack, I can send a omni-directional blast of the universe’s force energy.
Now, just to reinforce the fact that my tactics can take them out, and in case any non trivial arguments about the Concentrator are used, I create an additional weapon on the Concentrator. It is simple, really, particularly since I have Aquarian who has his null field. I have Brainiac 5 create an additional add on that will utilize Aquarian's field's properties along with the Concentrator beam, similar to the device Reed created to harness the powers of Black Bolt's scream to rip a hole in reality. Being that the weapon will be draining energy from everywhere in the universe except the inside of the Concentrator itself, we can easily power it from within.
With Brainiac 5’s 12th level intellect and a YEAR of prep, this should be extremely easy to accomplish. The “Aquarian device” will work in conjunction to the Concentrator. It will be a facsimile of the Aquarian’s true powers without the negative consequences to MY team. Basically, we will use it to stop all non powered movement, and it will have all its normal properties, but my tech and energy will be the only things to be able to exist within the field normally as they were. So while the Aqurians properties hold you still, the Concentrator saps your energy AND fires a blast so powerful you will ALL die. Period.
I also create Mind-Helmets since one team is almost fully comprised of psychics. They are made from Lurium, which scrambles thought-waves, guarding the wearer against any mental intrusion. Note that Saturn Girl, the most powerful telepath on her planet of telepaths, cannot read their minds. http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?i...s1e30467ni5.jpg
What does this mean? I got a precog on the team thanks to Brainy! To put it bluntly, I get intel on anything you might be planning, and if for some reason I am wrong about something in prep, I can go back and change it however I see fit. Knowing the future always helps
One last thing just to further enhance my teams chances of winning. Considering that I have Vulcan’s powers and that he can control kinetic energy (reason why Leo put him in conjecture with Savitar), I have him copy a flash move and make my weapons all as fast as possible by giving them extra kinetic energy (ala the flash, just without the speed force). Hell, the Legion employs a Dimensional Blaster which has a range that is infinite and its rays can rip right through spaces and time (AD 367). Also, in that time, hyper light speed travel is the norm. http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?...ionosh11bg4.jpg http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19fn5.jpg
He can create something that goes faster than the speed of light (as he knows the knowledge behind going faster than light), so my weapons will have a firing sequence and usage of past light speed use – and as you can see from the Concentrator, the entire universe becomes succumb to it in less than minute (which already gives credence to past light speed usage). Now add in what Vulcan’s powers allow me to do? Much Faster than light speed energy sapping/destroying.
As prep winds down, I put on the mind helmets and one second before the battle starts I turn the Concentrator/Aquarian device on….
Now, I have it so when I appear, I am in the epicenter of the bubble. Being that I started the Concentrator/Aqurian the second before the battle started, energy from all across the universe is being sapped from the moment the battle starts. It means I have the speed advantage over the other teams (something I am sure Leo will not be used too)
You see, caught in Aquarians null field (stopping all motion) and the Concentrator (sapping all Speed Force Energy) Savitar no longer has any speed and cannot control the speed force! The energy to run Engineer’s tech is no longer there! Terrax’s power cosmic is gone! Everyone on the other team? Powerless. And seeing as I am also sending a omni directional UNIVERSAL powered force blast at the same time they are powerless, I kill them in the first instant of the battle. No questions asked. NOTHING can withstand having the full force of all the energy in the universe coming at you.
There are two IMPORTANT things I would like to discuss here in this post.
First, if people want to know how I could go around the Cubes, well it is simple...first let me explain.
All warfare is based on deception - Sun Tzu
Upon hearing that Ult. Reed Richards bottled a star, I had to know for what. I also realized that once you had copied my powers (admittedly I kept throwing Lightray out there on purpose for you to copy), I knew it would happen eventually, and given this match I knew it would happen here. Leo, you are a smart guy. I really do respect you and your team members for coming up with a plan of this magnitude. However, I was too well prepared. I tactically outmaneuvered you. It is not always about the biggest weapon (which admittedly I still have since you are powerless ), but by taking away YOUR biggest guns I have won the battle before it even began.
I think you will find my opening post sufficient in why you no longer have energy to run the cube (any cube), or even yourselves. If you notice, entire suns are drained by the Concentrator, and you go and fill it up with solar energy. The energy you used to develop and sustain your precious cubes is instantaneously converted by the Concentrator and thrown at you in the biggest attack any tournament has ever witnessed.
See, the cubes are a pretty big deal, but by cutting off the power source they are nothing more than pretty little cubes. No power = no results.
Before debates are had in the minds in the judges of which opening post to pay more heed to, let me focus on one little simple fact:
Leo's is illegal.
Yes, illegal. In this tournament. If we can all remember, Akuki had to repick characters because he was going to combine the sword of might and amulet of right (I think those were the names).The POINT of the matter is that you are NOT allowed reality manipulation even post prep and meshing. No reality manipulation allowed. Period. Red did not allow Smurph to access the Ultimate Nullifier with prep, or make HoM wanda, and neither did NJ, the current stand in director. I was not allowed to draft Freedom Ring (who could wish for anything and warp reality in a 15 foot radius). And I believe Leo himself said that Akuki's characters should be banned because it wasn't fair. So really, being that according to Leo and co. they can reshape reality, time/space, and "wish" me to lose, well, the attack is voided and I win anyways.
Either way you look at it legally (his energy gets sapped so he can no longer operate the cube) or illegally (making my prep the only one that matters), I STILL win.
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the most powerful weapons in 2 universes colliding!
can't say we wasted our year of prep, and you can't say we haven't tried to make this thing entertaining! anyway, let's have at it!
ahh, silver-age pseudo-science at its best! so i'm to believe that when that was fired, all energy everywhere was drained? the oan battery for instance? if galactus was in dc, the gun would have left him powerless? it would have drained all the cosmics of all their power? i don't really think so, bw, but that's the thing with using 'tech' from so long ago -- it wasn't SUPPOSED to make sense. sometimes, despite scans, people CAN use common sense to put things in perspective. hell, the concentrator was developed on the planet PLAHT. get it -- it was a PLAHT DEVICE! gotta love the silver age . . . incidentally -- terrax's power stems/is sourced in the MARVEL universe. are you now saying this gun can drain all power from ALL universes . . .?
anyway, one type of energy i know for a fact was NOT drained, was kinetic energy, since all of them were still able to move. what does THAT imply . . .?
and i'd like to point out that -- according to your own scan -- it took a MINUTE to do that . . .
yep. now, that surprisingly has ZERO relevence to you or your weapon though. because, as you have repeatedly said AND shown via scans, your weapon draws all the power from the UNIVERSE.
the speed force exists OUTSIDE the universe.
it is an EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL, COSMIC energy source. (shown a number of times already, but scans available if requested). in fact, neron himself claimed it was a type of 'heaven'. and in fact, it IS a metaphysical realm that houses the souls of dead speedsters. in that way, neron was exactly right -- it IS a heaven, for speedsters.
so, really, all you need to do is prove that your weapon can drain power that exists OUTSIDE the universe, and you'll have been correct in your assessment of being able to cut me off from the speed force. if you can't, the speed force is alive and well in this match. it is even indirectly IMPLIED that the SF is outside your gun's ability to affect -- everyone was still moving and as i've proven with past scans, ALL movement stems from the SF. Kinetic energy included. your gun did not drain the ONE type of energy that may have helped you most!
more importantly than that even however, is the fact that the SF is INFINITE. i've actually been hoping someone at some point would try and drain me . . .
so let's say for a moment that one of the judges DOES feel you can drain the speed force somehow (i'd love the explanation from anyone who DOES believe that since kinetic energy was left unaffected . . .) it would actually ensure your death. cobalt blue tried the exact same trick on flash, and, well, it didn't end well for him . . .
and as shown many times -- savitar's control over SF>>wally's. so, as soon as you try and drain me, i simply overload your weapon with LITERALLY infinite energy. your weapon explodes and you all die inside it as all that absorbed energy erupts and kills you. if you claim the null field protects you from even THAT size explosion, i'd be dubious but you'd still be without your only chance in this battle as it would be you guys v NINE cosmic cubes . . .
that's akin to me saying i build a device that blocks out aquarians's null field. i could claim it, but, given that it has never been done before, there is no reason anyone should BELIEVE it. especially when his field actually shuts DOWN any tech in it's area:
you're claiming b5 is smart so he could come up with a way to incorporate the null field into this weapon, but aquarian's null field has NEVER been tampered with like that in all of his appearances. it simply shuts down energy. incorporating it in the way you want (to help make an ENERGY weapon more powerful) is actually ANATHEMA to its function. there is no logical way to conclude that the null field would 'protect' your energy weapon . . . saying b5 is smart is NOT a good enough reason.
seriously . . .
it would have been easier just to say you make a 'kills all heroes' weapon. you have absolutely ZERO proof that aquarian's powers can be tampered with in that (or really ANY) way, or modified like that. i'd LOVE an explanation from ANYONE who believes otherwise . . .
hmm . . . first, if precog (AKA -- SPYING ON PREP!) were ok'd by red, that rule should CERTAINLY have been made public. i could show scans of powers i have access to that would grant ME precog powers as well -- i'm sure others would have benefitted from knowing that little secret too. spying on prep via precog SHOULD be illegal. if it's not, then i'd call on nj to allow us an addendum to our OWN prep. cdb and myself have BOTH copied all your powers. that would INCLUDE the precog. and no, it doesn't matter if the power was showcased or not. adaptoid doesn't have to SEE the power to copy it-- if there is a superpower near him, he copies it. belova copied wolverine and gained his healing without ever seeing it work in the battle. so if b5 had precog, so would we.
really? cuz i've never seen that. theoretically it's possible, but there is no proof he has that level of control over his power. that's why i use his ability to ACCESS the speed force and savitar's KNOWLEDGE of the force. vulcan couldn't do it alone. hell, with his own power he can't even break the lightspeed barrier . . .
LOL i love how in this tournament suddenly any energy manipulator can add or steal kinetic energy just because flash can! only problem: NO ONE ELSE CAN PROVE THEY CAN DO IT!
Last edited by leonidas on Jun 15th, 2008 at 06:14 PM
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ok, so. why does bw's plan fail?
1. "he drains all the energy in the universe". a completely silver-age idea that would be laughed at today and that common sense should tell you was hyperbole and never really thought out. but, regardless, in prep, i used the SF to ALSO empower the cube (tactically outmanoeurved indeed . . . ) when i added SF to it. you can't drain extra-dimensional energy, but as proven, i CAN overload you with an infinite amount of energy. my cube is just fine, my SF is just fine, and your weapon blows up all around you, likely killing you all. our shield of course saves us from the explosion . . .
2. no proof WHATSOEVER that he can tamper with aquarian's null field like he says. ZERO proof.
3. as was proven in my match against bw and cdb -- just because something was STARTED in prep, does NOT mean a team can't react to it. your weapon does not INSTANTLY drain anything -- hell, you all were granted enough time to defend against the INSTANT neutralizing effects of forge's wepaon! your weapon is PROVEN to take time to accomplish its draining effects. it took time to drain the suns -- a minute, in fact. given how much i amped my speed (outraced instantaneous travel . . .) if i have ANY TIME AT ALL, it's too much. ialso also made the wish BEFORE prep ended. it's effetcs (amped by SF) would take effect SIMULATANEOUSLY with the start of the match. at best you START draining in that time. my wish ends any draining and prevents you from coming CLOSE to draining us completely.
4. your're correct in saying that it took stellar energies to start the cube working. HOWEVER, in the case of the cube, once it is going, it is self-sufficient and INFINITELY POWERFUL! your weapon has never proven capable of depowering something on the level of a cube even WITHOUT the additional powering from the speed force. it contains far more energy than a simple star. the star was used to START it. once started though, the cube effectively changes matter into energy. what's that mean? in order to drain a cube completely, you'd need to eliminate ALL MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE. because MATTER -- not STARS -- is now its energy source.
5. as far as legality -- i asked to have akuki's guys banned because an OMNIVERSAL weapon was a bit much i admit, and it would be something he could use every match in battle. i had a hard time finding a convincing way to do the cube. everyone likely knew what ult reed could do, and no one objected. had you tried to ban ult reed in drafts, i doubt highly it would have worked. you're not gonna get this banned. ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that YOU are bringing to bear the most powerful weapon in YOUR universe -- one you thought could DIRECTLY COUNTERACT A CUBE! nice try though.
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okay judges -- i'll save you some time, perhaps. it has apparently been left to you to judge the legality of the cubes.
in my defense, all objections that i raised to any characters were raised IN THE DRAFTS. we had AMPLE time to research guys and find out what they could do. i have no doubt bw knew i could do this a LONG time ago, and so did most. and yet -- no one objected to reed. would ANYONE have objected to reed in the draft?? hell, she didn't know it, but cdb could have made a cube a while back as soon as she copied black box's power. bw could have done the same. both needed a slightly different method, but i've been DREADING the fact since they copied me. i wouldn't have called for the cube to be banned. i'd have been po'd at myself though.
this issue is different from the amulet/sword issue (which again was raised IN THE DRAFT where all objections were SUPPOSED to be made) which was an omniversal weapon that would be merged immediately and could be used in every match, nor is it a power of a particular character. this required a lot of meshing and some copying. there is NO CAP to meshing, and/or tech. and let's not forget bw is using a weapon that DRAINS THE UNIVERSE OF POWER and shoots back at us a bolt of energy that combines ALL THE POWER IN THE UNIVERSE! he also thought his own weapon a capable COUNTER to my cubes.
the cubes most certainly SHOULD be considered legal under the rules. there was AMPLE time to object WELL before this match ever began and no one did.
banning them now would quite simply be a very very cheap way of ending this match. but to the judges: if you ARE gonna rule them illegal, do it now before i, or anyone else, bothers to post more.
any questions, please ask.
Last edited by leonidas on Jun 15th, 2008 at 08:37 PM
"we will be enriching HSbF6 or fluoroantimonic acid, this shit alone is
2×1019 (20 quintillion) times stronger than 100% sulfuric acid and pure sulfuric acid can oxidize iron. we will use every resource to further concentrate it then have bd immerse itself into it."
"20,000,000,000,000,000,000 x 100% sulfuric acid" make note of that. and thats before modifications and strengthening treatments.
i'm sorry but no planet in any universe has an atmosphere like the gas i have concocted so, i think i need more proof on that ring's protective qualities.
for example venus has a thick atmosphere mostly composed of SULFURIC ACID (the primary gas), sulfer dioxide, methane, and other harmful compounds.
another example is jupiter. jupiter is as big as a planet can get before it transforms into a star, it's also composed mainly of hydrogen and helium the two most important elements to a star's life.
the point i am trying to make is that the legion of superheroes go to alien planets all the time, but the most extreme atmospheres POSSIBLE aren't 1% as lethal as the gas i have made, the ring can't protect you from it.....besides, those same rings can be removed in a myriad of ways if they can protect you. just saying)
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i said i wasn't gonna post anything til the legality issue was resolved, but who knows when anyone is actually gonna vote on that, and i'd like to point out a couple of other quick points about the draining that bw claims happens:
superboy certainly doesn't make mention of losing his powers, and doesn't appear to have lost them by his reactions. neither do the others give the appearances of having suddenly lost THEIR powers. there is also mention of the destruction of the EYTH system in the first scan i posted above. did the weapon destroy the system somehow? i thought it only drained?
so, my questions are:
(1) how do i KNOW the concentrator is what resulted in the heroes losing their powers (since no mention of it is made in the scan, and no, bw, much as i respect you in these things, your WORD is not enough )?
(2) the SAME force that took their powers seemed to be responsible for destroying EYTH. but if the weapon only drains, how'd THAT happen?
last thing -- in the second scan, the people mention that there is no electricity or atomic power. what proof is there (aside from the ALLEGED proof of draining superpowers) that the concentrator can drain anything BUT electricity or atomic power? it clearly doesn't drain from ANY source as one of bw's scans say, because it doesn't drain kinetic energy or bio-electric energy (and that IMMEDIATELY SHOULD CALL INTO QUESTOIN THE VALIDITY OF ALL THE SCANS). i don't know how we can even believe the claim of it draining superpowers without there ever being a mention of the concentrator being the cause for the loss of powers . . .
that's the problem again with silver-aged tech: it NEVER makes sense, and it requires a suspension of PIS to believe it. no way we can logically say that such an unproven, unsupported weapon can be used to achieve what bw is trying to achieve. forget the fact that with aquarian present, aquarian's ENTIRE HISTORY screams that he would PREVENT the weapon from ever working in the first place . . .
oh, and if we overload and blow it up, they're REALLY screwed because once they are all inside the weapon as bw SAID they were:
the very proximity of the amazos to aquarian will ENSURE they are all shutdown or at the least copy his field which will ALSO ensure they are shut down. oops.
note that WITHOUT a cube, his weapon is overloaded by the infinite energy of the speed force and he has killed his most powerful members (the amazos!) by sticking them in a hatch inside the weapon with aquarian!
Last edited by leonidas on Jun 17th, 2008 at 09:01 PM
thanks to charlotte our teams are greatly reduced in size, when they are also materialize into the battlefield, they will also be within the same concentrator your gun is firing at nothing! and with wundarr's null field our teams can't fight...period, but once the concentrator fires all the energy it absorbed, our cosmic containment units will be reactivated....then we pwn.
*going by blair's post*
Last edited by psycho gundam on Jun 17th, 2008 at 11:20 PM
Imply at anything you want, I added the Aquarian effect. It stops you from moving, and a good amount of other effects too. Theres a reason I used the combined effects. I'm not all just good looks
You are comparing him with a "gun" that can absorb the entirety of the energy in the universe? pffffft.
I would claim the null field would protect me from you moving. Also, about Savitar. I got some questions Id like for you to answer please. I was talking to someone and this came up:
The whole deal with Savitar and access to the speed force. Throughout his career, Savitar didn’t have a connection to the speed force until Wally managed to merge Savitar to the speed force. After that, I don’t recall him making another appearance. But the point is that Savitar was specifically NOT attuned with the speed force.
So I don’t get the idea behind explaining to everyone that he’d have access to the speed force.
Plus, all the feats you have been using are Wally’s, not Savitar’s. Big mistake there, imo. Not to mention, the whole “faster than instantaneous travel” was done under special, outside circumstances. I remember Wally couldn’t do that alone, or under normal conditions. So using that as evidence isn’t all that sound.
If you want, I could synch it up so that the Aquarian beam frequency changes over to the Concentrator beam with the beam never ceasing to fire. It would be a continuous stream, the frequency would just change, and it wouldn't allow any time to counter because the effects of the Aquarian beam would need to wear off for you guys to be able to pose a counter. There goes your it works against it self attack.
Saying B5 is smart is reason enough for anything. The man has created Motherboxes, has run various experiments involving the speed force, has used and studied the miracle machine (THAT is reality manipulation at its core). B5 is what Reed wishes he could be.
Lets look at the facts. My weapon can nuetralize your weapon. Does your weapon have more potiental? sure why not, but I can cut it off before it starts. I started the drain before you thought "win". I made sure Brainy upgraded the firing sequence to past those speeds. I cut you off from the cube, you cannot do anything: No shields, no winning, no effect. You are effectively powerless.
..wow Leo. Never been asked if the comics are even relevant to the matter at hand. Where Cosmic Boy loses his power is the first time the device has ever been used. (by Lucifer 7 if I am not mistaken). And it can destroy...just like in the scans it destroyed the suns.
Also, the two scans you referenced as immediately following eachother are from two different times the concentrator was used.
First time it was used they had no idea what hit them. They found it was from Lucifer 7 (I think thats his name), so they stole it from Lucifer 7 (who if I remember correctly did not want to waste his Concentrator on such petty fools and wanted to rough them up himself).
The second time, the Legion, having the original Concentrator, and knowing its secret built a new one because the Time Trapper was sending those suns in their direction.
Leo, try to understand: Your weapon has merit in its power. But if it cannot access the energy to run that power? If it is drained before you can use said power? That is what I can do, I can take away your power. Then use it against you. Tactically? Thats you being outmaneuvered.
As for the micro crap: I start in the epicenter. You are "somewhere" in the calm area. Not the same thing.
Sorry folks, time for Spain. Hopefully, I can check this out again and see myself as the winner, but however it turns out good luck to everyone (Give em hell Smurphy)
More clear clarification on the uses of cubes. As was already stated, the "wish" thing is stupid and violates the rules. So what we will actually do with them?
The thing is very simple- first, we put them in zone of distorted time, that still leaves them able to move so that it's not OHKO, though, but really slow- their 1 second=real world 1 hour within that zone. As they're trapped there, we remove all their teleportaton means, incasing them after that in block of solid adamantium. The very "after that" thing isn't that much of delay, as there's three cube users to perform one stage each.