He holds a ridiculous edge in versatility here, and has maybe one loss in his entire career to a brick. Majestic's a tad more versatile compared to your average brick, but not by much. Black Bolt, on the other hand, can do a million and one things through electron control, including shields, amping his stats and using his voice.
He's also plenty ruthless right now, so he shouldn't have any CIS-related problems.
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Mmkay. I'm taking Majestic for the clear majority.
He's much stronger, even when compared to the Hulks and Gladiators that BB has faced in the past. He's faster. He's got faster reaction time. Probably more durable. He's got planetary-scale molecular manipulation and energy manipulation abilities, and even reality-warping powers. To boot, his martial arts skills have been honed by more than four thousand years of near-constant warfare and were sufficient enough to easily defeat three pure-blooded Kheran Coda assassins at the same time.
He's got everything needed to take Black Bolt down.
EDIT: Is BB's voice sonic in nature or electron-manipulated? I've heard both.
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There he one-shots Namor into a hydro-electric dam...
And in that instance, he couldn't amp. His antenna was busted (iirc), and he couldn't use his electron-based powers.
Namor didn't show for the rest of the fight.
He regularly pulls off feats like those with no mention of amping, and yet we know he can amp his strength to ridiculous degrees. If need be, he can pour his entire electron supply into a single punch for the "master blow", and Black Bolt reportedly possesses a power supply sufficient to power Attilan, his super-advanced Inhuman city, for the next 10 millenia.
That's a lot of juice.
None of this matters, really, because there's no need for Majestic to get close to Blackagar. BB can throw up an electron shield, or even incase Majestros in such a field, as he's done to Hulk, and then just speak.
A whisper has KO'd Gladiator.
A whisper has KO'd Hulk.
Black Bolt can scream if he needs.
I haven't even really touched on all the other tricks he can pull off... mess with the electron flow in your brain/nerves, rearrange matter, create anti-matter...
And strengthwise, Namor/Hulk/Thing/etc. are no where close. How about moving all of the planets in the solar system, as well as catching and redirecting a comet, as well as casually moving around the largest asteroids in the asteroid belt (most of which are made purely of iron ore...meaning they're friggin' heavy.)
And a more recent example has him explicitly moving the Earth back onto its axis, proving those earlier feats of his and his strength hasn't been retconned:
That's assuming Majestic is standing still or that Black Bolt will be fast enough to track/react to encasing him in that field. Which he won't be.
Majestic's so fast he basically appears to be in four different places on Earth at the same time (1), sustained FTL speeds for four straight months without stopping (2-3), was so fast that he appeared to be everywhere at once (4), and has on-panel nanosecond H2H speed (5).
BB is so not screaming. A whisper, sure. Even when he was being tortured by skrulls and his family was in danger, he only let out a whisper. Not in his character to scream.
Kherans have a different nervous system makeup (I have scans if you want/need proof), which I'm sure would throw BB off. He's also resisted fairly high-end magical matter manipulation.
Since we're using current versions (I would guess), that would also mean that standard equipment is in play. And Majestic's standard equipment is Kheran warlord armor, creation engine blade (capable of slicing through anything, sharp enough to shave the rough edges off of an electron), and whatever the hell this electrical disruption mace thingy is (2):
I'll continue this tomorrow. Gotta catch some sleep now. We got off to a fairly slow start, so I reckon we should keep it going for a few days unless you're busy for all of them?
He has a variety of other h2h feats against some top tiers. I know he's come to blows with Gladiator, Thor, Hulk and others a few times. I'm not trying to say that he's on Majestic's strength level, but when a much older version of him is an extremely close second with what I believe is Savage Hulk, and knowing that Black Bolt can amp his electron supply into his strength, it's undeniable that Majestic will be feeling his punches if he decides to trade fisticuffs temporarily. I really don't know why he would, but I'm just saying that he's far from outgunned.
He can draw on enough power to supply Attilan for many millenia.
Just the thought of that much power is difficult to work your head around, knowing he can put as much as he likes to power up his punches, his speed and his numerous powers.
2. Yeah, which is an impressive endurance feat. Note that he's not actually doing all the mechanical work, as he's attached to a machine. It's unquantifiable at best.
4. Good, not really good enough. There, he moves faster than people can percieve. Here, he needs to move faster than Black Bolt can think to make an electron shield. Black Bolt, who possesses super speed of his own (though I won't claim it's at all on par- it doesn't need to be)
5. In this case, he was prepared to ambush Hadrian after he had gotten wrecked in their fight last time (iirc). It's not his usual fight reaction. Plus, I don't recall Spartan being nano-second fast, and he beat Majestros pretty bad in the scan that that fight leads in to.
There's only one actual combat feat there, it's only one punch (nothing Black Bolt couldn't easily recover from), and it gets directly contradicted in a later post.
Yes, because screaming would either put his family/friends in danger, or would be used as a skrull weapon.
Recently he's decimated entire fleets of skrull warriors, ruthlessly. Majestic is just another alien trying to subjugate/kill him... Black Bolt would certainly use his voice. Perhaps not an initial voice attack, because royalty simply doesn't conduct that way, but it's happened in the past.
The fact is, while Black Bolt's been tortured and enslaved in the past, he's never really been put in a life or death situation where he could freely speak if he needed to without worrying about collateral damage.
Do you really think that if it looked at all like Black Bolt was going to lose, that he wouldn't do whatever it takes to live?
He'd speak or scream if necessary. We haven't seen it before, but that just makes it more ominous- if a whisper knocked out Hulk, and a whisper knocked out Gladiator, what is an attack that is unfathomably more powerful going to be capable of doing?
Black Bolt will do what he needs to for the sake of his people. That includes keeping himself alive, and that is all ingrained far more deeply in his character than any reservations about screaming.
As long as their nervous system somehow involves the flow of ions and electrons, Black Bolt can disrupt it.
Black Bolt has disabled foreign technology with his electron powers with ease, and he's messed with Maximus' brain. Max would also have an altered nervous system due to his Inhuman heritage and his terrigen mist exposure.
Interesting. I hadn't actually read any Majestic since his most recent solo series.
I hadn't thought that that was his regular equipment, which is what forum rules dictate. Like I said though, I'm not entirely up to date.
Doesn't look like any of that equipment is going to help him against a simply electron shield followed by a voice attack though.
Interesting to note that in those scans, despite him being apparently bloodlusted, and considering he's fighting against a high herald who's wrecked him in the past, he's definitely not fighting at nano-second speeds. Hell, his fights getting narrated by some street levels.
Seems to be that fighting at speeds superior to what Black Bolt can match is not at all the norm. Certainly not faster than Black Bolt can think "shield".
Joking? huh?
Anyways, those guys were out to kill Majestic's family, including his daughter. He's not gonna start off his fight against Black Bolt in the same fashion at all. He'll be his usual, calm, thoughtful self.
Even if he did attack at such speed, they were simply foot soldiers. They didn't possess any of Black Bolt's durability or BB's speed.
One would need to believe that Majestic is gonna be capable and ready to do that to Black Bolt 10 times before BB can get a single shield up.
As soon as Majestic's delayed for even a second, Black Bolt can speak. And when he speaks, the game is over.
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The Enraged Hulk feat is impressive. However, we've seen a more recent example of BlackBolt's H2H capabilities, and that was with (as you posted) Gladiator. And in that instance, the fight ended with Gladiator winning. And as much as I love the guy, he hasn't been at his world shattering, head-punching-off levels in more than a decade. Even holding back, Captain Atom admitted that Majestic's blows were almost as powerful as Superman's. So, unless BlackBolt pulls out the Master Blow (certainly an option, but isn't it only a one-time per fight use?) yes, BB is severely outgunned in a H2H match.
Looks like he's going some unquantifiable hypersonic speed there. Which is impression in and of itself, but nowhere near comparable to someone who can break lightspeed without trouble.
BTW, any more recent examples of his flight or combat speed?
True, true. But in Majestic you've got a guy who's taken Maul's blows without flinching, easily taken Spartan's fire (1), Captain Atom's punches (2), Eradicator's (3), etc. As well as him being strong enough to punch holes in an amped Spartan and tear other Kherans apart (4).
I don't know. I'm only saying that Superman and Flash have similar showings. Hell, Majestic's 'cruising' speed (if you want to call it that) is Mach 12 (scans ready if needed.)
Nah, it's basically a deep-space Kheran rig. As you can see, it has no engines. Its flight is powered by Majestic, which is why he's in the position he's in (a flight-type, horizontal position). He was using it to track the Worldship which kidnapped all the humans on Earth, which had...I think an 8 month head-start and was traveling at superluminal speeds itself.
Alright. I will point out that that is being narrated by the author, and not a certain character's POV, but I'll let that slide.
Mmkay, none of that was/is accurate. I'll explain it further though. First off, that was their first fight. And yes, Hadrian gets the better of him towards the end of it. Spartan actually has lightspeed or near-light speed reflexes. And all of the fight save for the final two pages will be posted. Let me start off by saying that Spartan and Majestros have fought 2-3 times after this, and Majestic's won in a landslide, no contest every single time. During this battle and time period, Spartan was being amped by the Void. Now then, the Void has enough power to literally destroy and recreate the WS universe (which she does in Captain Atom: Armageddon). Furthermore, the Spartan model sentient war machines are the most advanced powerful 'in existence':
The above scan also shows off his reflexes. In it, he sees an object (Majestic's construct) which is going nearly superluminal (so, either light speed or just under). I forget exactly where they are at that moment, but its moving so fast there isn't time to send a signal to the other Spartan units. Yet, on the next page, Hadrian cuts it off in Houston. Anywho, I'm going to post the entirety of the Void-Hadrian/Majestros fight now, save for the final two pages. Keep in mind also the above scan, that late series Spartan models are extremely powerful and that Hadrian has near lightspeed reflexes during this arc:
There are two more pages to the fight. Which are irrelevant because BlackBolt is not a machine, and cannot take the kind of damage an amped Hadrian took there. But anywho, it does show him overpowering around a dozen, perhaps more, late-series Spartan units, as well as dodging 3 punches from someone's whose reflexes are comparable to the speed of light, as well as nanosecond reaction time in combat, as well as the physical strength to punch through Hadrian who had been amped by the Void's power (universal level).
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Most recent fight between them occurred just last week (or thereabout). Keep in mind Hadrian can transfer his consciousness to other units, which is what happens after he self-destructs:
Regarding the thing with Maximus, etc, that's not the same. They're both Inhumans. They've both been exposed to the mists. Hell, they're brothers. Of course BB's going to know how their CNS (Central Nervous System) works and where he can affect and manipulate it at. Majestic, completely different physiology.
Also, like Superman, Majestic has an aura around him which protects him. Whether its "bioelectric" like Supes', I don't know. It hasn't been explained in detail. But its basically what grants Majestros his nigh-invulnerability.
First scan shows that he has an aura. It gives him, at least partially, his durability (confirmed later in the issue.) Second scan shows him expanding his aura to shield a vampire and mortal in the absolute vacuum of space, literally a few days prior to total entropy (the end of the universe, 20 billion years in the future). Third and forth scan confirms that basically the only things capable of cutting him/bypassing that aura of his are blades forged from the Creation Engine itself.
Yeah, its became standard equip since the Armageddon arc...2 years ago? The only thing that I can see helping him there, though, is his sword. It would allow him to cut Blackbolt's electron shield apart, and *possibly* deflect Bolt's voice (considering it isn't sonic-based). Here is Zealot's sword, which again, is inferior to Nemesis' own Creation Engine forged blades, as well as Majestic's:
1) He's not bloodlusted. In fact, he's holding back. He's always held back in every fight against the Wildcats - this includes the one time when a Void-amped Spartan beat him (which is what you're referring to).
2) As shown in my previous post, Spartan definitely did not 'wreck' him.
3) Shame on you. Nemesis and Zealot are both pure-bred Kheran Coda assassins (most elite in the universe), and Zealot's combat speed got the better of Captain Atom when they fought, even.
Not really true. He has a ton of recent bullrushing/blitzing feats, as well as using his speed in combat to overwhelm his opponents. I've already posted him bullrushing Maul before kicking Hadrian's ass recently, and doing the same to the Spartan models. How 'bout some Kheran Shaper Guild warriors:
I don't agree. Not only does Majestic have nanosecond reaction/combat speed, but he can literally process multiple billions of scenarios per second (1). Reacting to BlackBolt would be incredibly easy. Especially considering that, per basic knowledge, Majestic will already be wary of BB's voice. Certainly he'd have time enough to raise his sword to block.
Yes, we have. He traded blows with Gladiator way back when, with no edge to either side, and he's taken Gladiator by surprise recently, where he was only defeated when Glads got help.
All of this isn't to show that Black Bolt would win in a hand to hand fight, that would be ludicrous. As long as Black Bolt can withstand a single punch, however, he can make an electron shield. Even if Majestros needed to pull out his sword to try to cut through it, or while Majestros is trying to cut through it and counter Black Bolt's ridiculous electron control, then Black Bolt has time to speak.
What this means is that unless Majestic can and would take Black Bolt out in a single punch every single match, Black Bolt wins. He put Majestic in an electron field so that Majestic can't move, he can shield himself and just recreate shields as Majestros cuts through them- this is a guy with enough electron control to easily turn a boulder into anti-matter. I'll try to find the scan.
Black Bolt has solidified water in the air into bridges, turned men to stone, redirected neural pathways and reduced the air in the atmosphere. All of this puts no strain on his electron control. I have little doubt that he can repair his shield as rapidly as it's cut- it would be second nature to him.
As I'll look at later, Blackagar's voice is a OHKO in this match. This means that if he isn't taken out right away, he can and would take the enemy out.
If people don't believe he's truly that ruthless, just take a look at his latest comics.
Taken from the respect thread, since Bran already uploaded this stuff.
So, anyways, Black Bolt rips through the skrulls fleet. Easily. No hesitation, no holding back.
What do you think would happen when Majestic comes along, yet another alien wanting to kill Black Bolt?
Also, these scans nicely correlate with the next bit...
There Black Bolt shows that he can use his powers to provide enough energy to easily break C.
In the scans prior, he was going hypersonic while unimaginably tired. It stands to reason that while freshly fueled he should be considerably faster. Especially considering the amps that his electron supply has gotten.
Anyways, none of the points about fisticuffs and Black Bolt's speed are incredibly relevant. Majestic has a couple nice feats where he makes one quick strike, but he rarely, if ever, speedblitzes. I use speedblitz in the sense of striking multiple times before the opponent can react. As we've seen from Majestic, he'll either start the fight with a quick punch or bullrush if he thinks it's necessary, then will basically spar with his opponents.
He's also only bullrushed the people he can take out in one hit- presumably because doing so against someone of any decent durability would leave his back exposed to them as he hurtles away.
Black Bolt has taken punches from top tiers and gotten right back up. It's clear that his blunt force durability is easily good enough to take one punch. After that point, as long as he makes a shield and then matter manips, speaks, messes with the brain or CNS of his opponent or any of his other tricks, he can win.
You say he won't be able to affect Majestic's CNS because it's foreign, but here Black Bolt completely cuts off the power from Mandarin's rings- which is very alien technology. http://img228.exs.cx/img228/8079/mannn3gk.jpg
Not to mention, he can affect the electron's in your body
It doesn't need to be in a blast form, it doesn't need to be anything Majestros could avoid or deflect. Much like how Black Bolt affected Mandarin's rings, it can be unavoidable while Black Bolt shields himself. He can simply turn Majestros to anti-matter or stone.
Majestic has no counter to any of these. The only possibility that Eny has raised is the idea that he could cut through Black Bolt's voice with his sword- but BB's voice is not like an energy blast that can be cut through.
But, regardless of the fact that the sword wouldn't work, it's also questionable whether he even has it- hasn't Majestic only had, like, 3 appearances with that sword? Punisher recently appeared with what looked like Ant-Man's helmet. I'm not going to claim that's standard equipment for him.
Anyways, the last point I'd like to drive home is the implication on just how powerful his voice is.
I'll rattle off some feats, and post what I have scans for.
Black Bolt's voice, concentrated by Reed's device designed to optimize power output, overloaded Dr. Doom when he had the power of a Watcher.
Black Bolt's voice powered Reed's machine to rip open time/space, in order to tear a whole in every dimension of 616 reality.
Black Bolt's whisper has KO'd Gladiator and Hulk. Hulk, twice, I believe.
Black Bolt's voice WTFpwned a barrier that Skrull nukes couldn't scratch.
Medusa fears that Black Bolt speaking would obliterate half the planet- meanwhile, Black Bolt utters something into the planet that shakes continents and sets off volcanoes on the other side.
Imagine the raw power that it has to take for someone that collects galaxies to notice you simply because you prepare to speak.
Anyways, there are a handful of other things that I could toss your way, but the point is made. If Black Bolt ever speaks throughout the entire match, it's over. If Black Bolt survives the first punch, it's over. If Black Bolt makes a shield and Majestic decides not to use the very first possible nano-second to attack, it's over. If Majestic does decide to do that, it just takes another nano-second for Black Bolt to speak.
You get the idea, I'm sure.
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Eny, this was fun. Feel free to make a final post if you want, but I think I'm done.
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Apr 28th, 2009 02:18 AM
BB is so not screaming. A whisper, sure. Even when he was being tortured by skrulls and his family was in danger, he only let out a whisper. Not in his character to scream.
