Dagger generates a form of living light which is actually life-force. She produces much more than normal humans do. Dagger generates and stores this life-force energy automatical. She has the ability to create psionic "light daggers" which travel wherever she wills them and can produce a variety of effects: drain living beings of life-force when struck, heal people, or cause a shock to a polluted life-force depending on what she wants to happen.
Any and all Light Daggers that I use will be the "draining" type. None of this shock to an evil person's system junk she started doing later in her career because she was tired of hurting people.
I simply charge up my light based powers and put up a forcefield using Static's powers. I also charge up my body so that if anyone touches me, they get a nice shock.
Also, since I have the image inducer, I might as well have some fun. Considering they have Iron Spiderman, the world knows of his existence as Peter Parker. So I have Nightcrawler, if possible, hook it up to be Mary Jane.
I'm going to go through the battle, showing you how I can take each individually or as a team or even as two characters. They all have weaknesses I'm willing to exploit. But lets move on to the battle.
I immediately teleport up above the sand dunes and use Static's flight to stay there. Because Dagger can see life-force, even with any stealth you guys might have, I will be able to spot you. Not only that but Static has in the past been able to detect electronics.
I then teleport behind you with some distance between us. Magnetically rip any tech weapons [say Kimiyo] away from you and then I suspend you in the air. If there is more than one amalgam, I static cling you together. I then let loose with an omni-directional attack using Dagger's powers and some electrical volts. If I need to be teleporting quickly around you while doing this before you get suspended, I can.
A simple approach, but it should kill them. Why? There team is mostly a physical team, aside from Spots powers, so using long range in a way that even Spot cannot protect from against allows me to win easily. If they try to get in close they will get shocked by touching me or give me easier access to magnetically throw them around do to their metal.
Blair spent most of his writeup detailing his team's powers. A valid way to enter a match, but it leaves him lacking on the strategy front. I spent most of mine specifically detailing how I'd counter him, and I have a far more thorough gameplan. There are a few tactics Blair brought to bear that I didn't address in the writeup, and I will do so now. But, in contrast, there are mammoth-sized chunks of my writeup that Blair's writeup does not even begin to address, and it's likely he will not be able to.
Blair had Static Shock put up an electromagnetic shield at the beginning of the fight. And now I get to show off one of the main reasons I picked T'Challa. See, his personal tech that he has built into his energy daggers can render a person's forcefield inert. Observe: http://img156.imageshack.us/i/chip425xl.jpg/
Magneto erroneously thought it was the building that sapped his forcefield, but the first scan shows us that BP has that capability on his personal equipment. Now, in no world is Static Shock > Magneto and Iron Man. I can negate his forcefield entirely, leaving him defenseless.
Turn off CIS (which we do in tourneys) and this tactic is worthless.
But, more importantly, teams are informed of who they're facing prior to the match and are given basic knowledge of their opponents. So if Blair's team gets to know that Pete is married to Mary Jane, I get to know that MJ isn't a part of this fight. Works both ways. So if anything, that tactic will just piss my amalgam off even more.
Entirely neutralized by T'Challa's suit. I can tank anything she throws at me. Not that she'll ever hit me, but I can. [RickyRicardo] You got some 'splainin to do Blair. [/Ricky]
Also, is anyone going to believe Dagger's faster than Spider-Man based on 1 panel? Anyone? Beuller? Thought not. Besides, that was classic SM. Iron SM was during his "The Other" upgrades, which included a speed upgrade: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/...ssspeed2tp6.jpg
I already anticipated Blair claiming he'd take over my Iron suit, and that's fine because I prepped against it. But, in my very first attack, which will come from a long, long way away so that he can't counter-attack, his forcefield will be neutralized, and I'll be bringing every attack I have to bear on him. This will include the suit shooting it's tentacle thing out of a spot to grab him and blast him with feedback, as shown in my writeup: http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/...quipmentti9.jpg
But, I will then port the Iron suit far away via a spot, and not be using it again. It will have done it's damage, and I am NOT giving Blair anything to work with.
Spot is. My amalgam is not. Nor can you hit him.
Good for you. In the time it takes you to break one, I will be behind you, beside you, beside your head, and under your crotch () all attacking you a dozen different ways.
Again worthless. Will this really hinder someone moving more than twice your speed? At best this delays your demise, and at worst provide you with no strategic benefit.
It can be used to my advantage as well, and the fact remaisn that I'm faster and stronger than you, and also more skilled with the spots. So this fact favors me.
Spider-Man can always provide the motion, and what Blair isn't telling you is that the Darkforce dimension between spots is gravity-less, so I can effortlessly go between one or many of them, even when suspended in the air. http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2556/31768866.jpg
So I can go in one spot and instantly out another, or travel between them via this space, kinda like Nightcrawler's dimension hopping for his porting, but on a slightly different scale.
Dealt with above
Dealt with above and in writeup.
Dealt with above.
Lmao. Dear goodness, thank you. Any single specific point, however good or bad for a participant, is never enough to win or lose a match. But seeing someone as skilled and knowledgeable as Blair get pants-ed like this doesn't happen too often.
Spot can make spots very far away, remotely, in the air if he needs to. Is this supposed to mean I can't attack you in the air? That's absurd.
What weapons? I ditched the iron suit, the energy daggers aren't manipulable, nor is vibranium or anti-metal. This is a great tactic against my earlier team in the tourney. Here, however, it's ridiculous.
Well this is going to be interesting. Digi made a few tactical errors, which no one can fault him for. It is only because I know all the characters involved better than him (save Spiderman perhaps) I can point them out to him. And yes that includes him saying I was pants-ed.
No literally. I laughed when he thought he was completely immune to Dagger. But I'll get to that.
Spider Sense Through Spots? Nope
Well its a shame that you put so much stock in this tactic Digi. I was sure you had read more on Spot. I mean, you did consider the fact that Spiderman's Spider-Sense cannot work through the spots right? That is the whole premise of why Spot can actually attack Spiderman. I'm directly quoting him now in this scan I have:
You would never, I repeat, NEVER actually be able to use your spider-sense while porting through spots because that would require you to "sense" past the dimension. The "key" to your amalgam just got shut down. You would be teleporting blind or as blind as a normal human at least.
Not only that but once I have you suspended with my powers you will not be able to teleport again. See the Spot's teleportation requires movement through the actual spot. Unlike Nightcrawler who can be in a tight situation and then suddenly "BAMF" he's gone. Sure you can be gravity-less in the anti-dimension, but you require movement through the regular dimension to go through a spot. This makes me far far far faster because to land an attack then go through a spot requires a lot more coordination than what I have to go through.
Dagger = Life-Force. NOT Light
Dagger produces life-force which is the thing that brightens souls - NOT light. It is the energy that resides in all humans. Heck, it's more psionic in nature than actual light. It simply shines so bright because she naturally produces more of this life-force than anyone else.
Now, if you think that Black Panther can block that, I'd like you to look at this little picture I have here. I was going to save it for Charlottes team, but since you seem to think that you can block life-force - while claiming it is light - I'd like to show you a little something. We all know who Dr. Doom is correct? We also know that he can and has blocked every single type of laser, energy, or EM type blast that has come his way correct? Well apparently life-force does not play by those same rules.
Therefore, you have no defense of any kind against a large "Dagger Omni-Bomb". Not even with Spot around because he can't block an Omni-Directional blast.
You showed two scans where it talks about the energy dagger analysing and studying the force-field. Do you really think you have the time to be analysing my force-field while I'm jumping around tele-blitzing all over the place? Hell, my first move was a succession of teleports.
Not only that, but to touch me you have to actually stop me from teleporting. Can you do that? Or not get shocked when you touch me since my body is coursing with energy?
Metal? Who needs metal?
I had targeted your metal weapons just in case you were using them. HOWEVER, even without anything metallic (though you do have something with Spiderman's suit, even if you only use it once) I can use levitation to control your entire team. Notice in the scans used that the levitation can be used on people. Its akin to telekinises, which is allowed.
With everything I just said above shooting a tentacle thing at me would be hazardous to your health as it allows me to control you once I control it. And to note again: once you are suspended, you cannot teleport. Why? Because it requires motion to go through a spot. With me holding you, you will not have the luxury of doing so.
Also, you would have to actually hit me. Unlike Electro, I can teleport.
BAMF - BAMF - BAMF
This not canon of course, but I just wanted to remind you of the awesomeness that is Nightcrawler. Figured a visual aid would help you understand that. In addition, while I can teleport without moving around, you need motion. It's a dis-advantage because I can teleport away from you, behind you, above you, underneath you without moving at all and I don't need to touch you. You see I have long range attacks that you cannot block - like my Dagger bomb or grabbing you with my "TK".
So imagine a Nightcrawler who can long range grab you and hurt you from a distance from which you have no defense. It's a monster of an idea. Here is the visual aid:
Also, you have to consider the fact that Digi is actually SELF PWNING himself because he is cutting off his Spider Sense. So not only am I faster in terms of teleporting he is going in blind through each Spot he goes through.
What am I doing to his team?
The objective is simple: I teleport around him while keeping my distance. All I want is a chance to suspend him with my "TK."
Then I just hold his team, suspended, and unwind with Dagger's light and some electrical volts. It is almost a reply of what happened to Spiderman here:
There is no need for me to get physical with him. And with Dagger's speed, Nightcrawler's agility, and most of all his teleportation they have no time to actually hit me as they try to set up complicated manuevers with their spots. Nor can they contain me like I am containing Digi's team. In the end? They see the light.
"In the right light, at the right time, everything is extraordinary." ~ Aaron Rose "...including your loss" ~ Blair Wind
Blair's once again mistaking the part for the whole. Remember when he said Spot was vulnerable to his attack, not bothering to realize that Spot's durability is not my amalgam's durability. This is the same thing. Spot controls his spots. Seems obvious, right? But, for example, if he wants to attack a person and there's a Spot next to the person, how would he know which Spot to put his hand into to attack them? The answer is, he's attuned to his own spots, or else he'd just be guessing at random and would be a worthlessly inept character. So Spot can sense the other side of the spot and where it leads to, and that talent can combine with Pete's spider-sense.
I'm aware of the scan Blair posted. It's one of the first comics I read with Spot in it. But it doesn't matter because I'm combining their powers. That's the point of an amalgam. Something greater than the sum of their parts. SM's spider-sense combines with Spot's awareness of the darkforce dimension and the spot's locations. Blair won't want you to believe this, of course. But ask yourself why the character's powers wouldn't combine? Pete was only lacking the ability to sense the affects of the spots and I combined him with a character that does exactly that.
The kicker is, Blair has no way to justify him getting the drop on me because of spider-sense, which doesn't involve spots at all. I'll know he's there before he arrives, just like SM dodges bullets before they're shot. And who's faster, Pete or Kurt? The answer is Pete. I'll be gone before they appear, and they'll never be able to touch me. I have shown scans that prove this, and we already know who's faster.
So you attack my soul? Come one, judges, he wants you to believe that her attacks, which are constantly (constantly) described as light-based, have no electromagnetic frequency whatsoever. Do they have mass, Blair? Of course they do, since they are visible. And any on the visual spectrum has an EM wavelength. I don't care what you think they can do against non-vibranium-shielded opponents. I know what your scans show me, and my mine have shown already, and that equals me being immune to them.
I understand they have a psionic side affect. I'm not concerned with that. They've been shown to cut, to cause blunt trauma, etc. which all points to not being purely psionic. So your "psionic" argument fails. Do Professor X's attacks cut clothing?
So. Tony's repulsors can't affect BP's suit. Stark himself admitted this. Are your attacks > his? My point was always that I can absorb all of what you're dishing out with her. Even if the judges want to think that her attacks have psionic undertones (a valid opinion) I'm absorbing most of what you're dishing out, and what's left can't hurt me.
My first move was the same. But the daggers worked pretty instantaneously...it was just attack---forcefield down. So of course I have the time. And do you really think your shielding is > Iron Man and Magneto? You will never have EM shields in this fight, ever.
A ridiculous question. Your amalgam is lacking durability to the extent that most of my attacks will OHK you. BP can break down your forcefield, anti-metal disrupts energy fields, vibranium absorbs most of your attacks (a fair amount of your electrical attacks as well).
- I want all judges to remember that he's exposing his entire amalgam to attack every time he tries to port to me, but that I intent to snipe at him through spots with weaponry and brief glimpses of limbs. He'll never even see me.
- I'll be porting constantly to keep this up, will always know where he is with spider-sense, and can attack at any time from any angle.
- And I'm far more durable. Ask yourself if you think he'd kill my amalgam before I get 1-2 attacks off, because that's all I need. Spider-Man's epic durability + the vibranium suit that absorbs EM waves and blunt force, and the spots that will shunt away most of the damage against me. As far as Blair's concerned, I'm practically invulnerable.
- Even if you believe everything Blair's selling (and you shouldn't) he still has no way to get the drop on me, and I still have multiple ways to kill him, while he has at best ways to harm me slightly.
I'm not sure if it is because we are using our posts to the fullest but I feel like we have covered a lot of ground already even in just these few posts. However, it seems Digi is under some mis-conceptions. I am more than willing to point them out to the judges.
Sure, he knows which spots lead to where. That does not mean however that he can gain any type of sensory input due to having that information. Read again: Just because he knows which spots lead where does not mean he gains sensory input from the other side of a spot.
Just because I know where my door leads out to does mean I know what is happening on the other side of my door. He cannot smell, hear, see, taste, or touch something on the other side of a spot, unless he himself goes through it to do such a thing. It's dimensional portal, not a window Digi.
That might be why he needed his head out to fight Spiderman in this panel:
Either way, considering we have conclusive proof that Spider-sense CANNOT operate through the Spot, I think you are pretty much reaching here. It was a nice idea in theory, but in practice it simply would not work. Your powers do not logically work in the way you want them to.
Dagger: Light of my Soul
Yes. I attack your soul. That is the whole point of her character Digi. If you read the scans I provided, you would know this. Heck, if you even just read the bio I gave for her you would know this.
If they had an electromagnetic frequency, say like a light-laser, Doom's personal forcefield would have blocked it. Like he's blocked almost everysingle attack, EVER. For example:
What is more likely: that you know nothing about the character and because she shines bright she must therefore control light or that I am right considering I'm backed up by not only her bio-references but in-panel statements and feats?
Not only that, but her whole dynamic with Cloak proves this. Cloak "feeds" on the life-energy of people. Because Dagger produces so much extra life-force, she is able to feed him without him killing people because he literally sucks their souls [read: light] out. So, pulling the text from the two scans I gave you here are the important narrations I wanted you to read:
"Dagger's faith is in the LIGHT illuminating every living being, in the soft glow of human SOULS. That light may burn dim in sinners, bright in others like Dagger herself, but she believes in the inherent beauty of the light.....wheras Cloak exists to destroy it!" http://img231.imageshack.us/i/lifeforce.jpg/
"Dagger aids Cloak, feeding him the light that illuminates her soul, appeasing the all-consuming darkness that hungers within him....and thus diverting its hunger from the quivering victims Cloak has delivered to the darkness." http://img41.imageshack.us/i/lifeforce2.jpg/
Do Jean Grey's? Do Psylockes? I think you will find that argument is not one you want to go down, considering how many telekinetics abound in the Marvel Universe - who are all psionic in nature. It is not a "side-affect" Digi, it is an attack on the soul using the excessive amounts of Life-Force that Dagger has. Unlucky for you that the narration and her entire character history proves you wrong.
Digi, by no means am I calling Dagger's attacks more powerful than Tony's repulsors. But they have the tactical advantage of not being defendable. Take an example: Superman is the Atom's superior in almost every way, but sometimes even Superman needs the tactical advantage that the Atom has because he can do something Superman cannot. Same thing. Iron man in terms of raw power output beats Dagger. But Dagger can do something even Iron Man cannot and in the meantime, any contact drains your life-force.
Contact leaves you cold, in agony, your organs in pain like never before [all as stated by Spiderman]. Strength and durability do NOT play a factor in this attack. This is about your life-force, something your almost entirely physical team cannot compensate for.
Your overconfidence in that I will not be able to hit you will be your downfall. And being that I can hit you with an Omni-Bomb, you cannot block it even with spots.
I want the judges to realize that I'm far faster in terms of teleporting. And any second that he is not going through a spot, he is vulnerable to my levitation. He has two options: try for offense with limbs going through spots while keeping his torso somehow in our world - which he is unused to, as a character, because the Spot in comics hides in the Spot-World and punches/kicks through there and if he kept his body in the Spot world, it would be a SELF-BRF, or he can go for actual teleporting, meaning he will have no time to set up a spot for offensive purposes.
Not only that, but with my ability to teleport faster than him I can go at him from different angles, at a distance from him, and catch him with my long-range powers. Again: I am teleporting around him, but not near him. Just close enough to have my long range powers working. Here are some paint-drawn representations of what I am saying:
And here is another non canon visual representation of how fast Nightcrawler can teleport:
Once he is caught, I Omni-Bomb him with Dagger's powers. Which have already proven to put Spiderman DOWN and as we have just shown he has no defense against
- His teleporting is much more complicated than mine and does not allow him to use his Spider-Sense
- All I need is a second to catch him. Once caught, he is at my mercy.
- Dagger's powers are indefensible and durability plays no part in her attack - as Spiderman can already tell you.
- My teleporting is faster
- I have the long range edge and teleportation gets me out of any close range scuffles.
Indeed. We won't be needing all 10 posts, which I'm sure the judges will be happy about.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here and let the judges decide. Because of course you're going to think this isn't possible, and of course I think it is. It's the nature of tourneys.
Judges, Spider-Man alone is completely unable to sense the Darkforce dimension, and attacks coming from it. I amalgamated him with someone whose power is exactly that. Powers can stack and interact. That's the point of combining characters like this. Blair wants you to believe I am only SM. If I were, he'd be 100% correct. But I'm not.
My victory is not dependent on this one point, but I understand that not everyone will interpret their amalgamation as I did. If you agree with me, you have my thanks, and my character is entirely unhittable. If you disagree, I still have numerous edges, and I would ask you to consider them free of this point.
That point, however, is utter crap. I've already posted fights where Spot isn't looking directly at SM out of a Spot...just browse back through my scans and you'll find them. What you have is a guess, Blair. The judges might agree with you, they might not. But this scan certainly doesn't prove anything.
Heh, ok. I realized the nature of her powers last post and admitted as much, just contended that they had to have some kind of mass. Which, if they can be seen by our eyes, they do. The majority of her attacks are still going right through spots to remote locations, however, so you have yet to bring anywhere near enough firepower to bear on me.
You're forgetting that I can sense you before you arrive. We've already had our spat about me sensing things before entering a spot, but you can't possibly be contending that I can't sense your teleports.
In any case, I'm faster than his team and can sense them prior to them porting to me. I'll never be around for them to "omni-bomb"
Back on Offense
I. We've devolved into conjecture and he said--she said (Blair's the she, obviously ). Time to reiterate my strengths, and highlight a few new ones.
Not only does it provide another nice visual of what I can and will do to them, it raises another problem for Blair: how is he going to do the "I hold you with electromagnetism" trick on a character who is always about 5 places at once?
He can't. The way I'm approaching this battle is to be constantly in and out of multiple spots. His perceived electromagnetic attack is worthless, not to mention I've already blasted him with feedback (SM's armor), neutralized his shields (BP), and killed him with one shot (any attack I have).
Notice how MAGNETO HIMSELF couldn't affect BP magnetically. How the hell does Blair think Static Shock is going to do the same? Remember, the Iron Spidey costume is gone, it's just BP's suit and the spots outside of it absorbing damage. Vibranium blocks EM tricks. It can block Mag-freaking-neto. It can block Static Shock.
Ironically, it was MJ being in danger that did this, and Blair decided to egg Pete on with a hologram of MJ in this fight. That's what he thinks of Blair's little plan.
Here the biggest hole in Blair's plan. SM's spider-sense alerts him to danger before it happens, and I already posted a scan of him detecting teleportation. So I can attack them before they've teleported to me to attack. Those non-canon videos Blair's been showing: all against people far slower than NC. This is against a much faster opponent.
And I'll be doing that from every angle imaginable. Him pretending to stay at long range is a gap that can be closed easily by any number of spots.
One attack. That's all I need. He needs lots, lots more to even have a hope. And that, more than anything, is why I win.
- They have no shields
- They can't affect me magnetically with their EM powers.
- Most of their attacks will still be absorbed by either vibranium or spots.
- I am faster and can always sense where they are and when they will attack.
- I only need 1-2 attacks to kill them entirely, while Blair cannot say the same by a long shot.
Digi's Tactical Failures
Digi's strategy was decent. Attack from various places using his assumed advantages. However, he has a few tactical failures that will cause him to lose. I will cover two of the main ones here, and leave a large nugget or two in the section that covers my defense/offense
Yes. I'm glad you can admit that Spiderman cannot sense through the Darkforce dimension. And while Spot knows where the door leads, he does not know the conditions on the other side. That would be a ridiculous extension of his powers. Not only that but I've come to put the nail in this coffin about you and your Spider-Sense-Through-Spot ideas.
See, as you just mentioned, each spot goes through the Darkforce dimension. Cloak, is composed of Darkforce and people who are inside his cloak are sent to the Darkforce Dimension. So when Spiderman was trapped and held inside of Cloak, he was in the Darkforce Dimension. Ladies and gentlemen, for your viewing pleasure:
Therefore, each time he goes through his spot, each time he tries to teleport and go through the DarkForce dimension, his Spider-Sense is muted. No amount of "stacking" will fix the fact that the DarkForce will mute your Spidersense. Just another reason that this plan fails.
You posted a scan of him detecting one teleportation. What about a series of teleblitz, all staying at a respectable distance from you?
Teleport fail: either Self BRF or Exposed Torso
Digi, where o where is your torso? In the comics, the only reason that Spot is able to do stunts like that is because his torso is in the spot dimension. So, if you plan to keep your torso there, it would be a self BRF and I've won this match already.
If not, and you plan to stay in this dimension, then by pulling stunts like that you are exposing your torso to damage. I even covered it in a post above but here is the visual I see in my head when I hear you talking about trying to be in five different places at once:
Spot is useful, but only if you can stay in the Spot dimension. Otherwise teleportation and having your limbs in different locations are two mutually exclusive goals for you. You cannot do them at the same time. You either attack or you teleport, never both.
What I am contending is that my method of teleportation is quicker. It is also not as clumsy, nor does it interfere with my abilities. Not only that, but it allows me to get out of any sticky situation in which I may find myself in without the need to move through a spot.
To top it off because your Spidersense is muted through your own actions, you being able to locate me is laughable. And even with it, the distances and angles I'd be teleblitzing to would be too quick for you to throw a spot and "limb-port" yourself over.
Also, to keep in mind, teleporting will help me keep my shields up.
In the beginning of the match you assumed that your energy daggers would take out my shield. However I can summon a shield at any point, and by the time that you've brought out the energy claws to disable it again, I can have teleported or fired off daggers that you will be busy dodging [or, you know, just grab you with my levitation. But Ill get to that]. Then I'll immediately have a new shield up. It is an annoying tactic for you since you will never be able to hit me due to me re-summoning my shield
Levitation: My faster is faster than your faster.
You have been spending a lot of time talking about speed, so let me quickly dispell that belief of yours. Not only am I quicker in the teleportation side of speed, I am faster than you in powers. What does this mean? It means you are not faster than EM manipulation and I can cancel your physical speed by just holding him in place.
Why is this significant? Because while he is physically moving through space, I can teleport all around him and quickly manipulate his body. No amount of Spider-Speed can help you when I don't need to touch you to win.
Levitation: Why it works on vibranium
I was waiting for Digi to come up with this defense. However, I have been prepared for the moment when he would. Now, to summarize, Digi has been trying to uphold Vibranium as this be all end all material that will somehow win this fight for him. Let us look at these scans for a moment:
Now, let us analyze them completely to be sure we understand what is truly taking place.
In the first scan Ironman hits Black Panther with a plasma discharge and states that the Vibranium breaks down the cohesion of light-based and EM-wavelength beams, such as repulsar blasts. This becomes important when we note that my levitation tactic is not a blast, nor does it cause damage like a blast would be intended to. This would be more useful if I was trying to hit him with nothing but pure force, but I am not.
In the second scan Magneto states that they somehow managed to turn off his forcefield and states that the Vibranium blocks him from simply using the iron in Black Panther's blood to rip him to meat. Notice again the intent of Magneto's attack: it was the iron in BP's blood, which is under the suit. The suit did not let him by-pass it to take control of something under the suit. He did not actually try to control the suit and through it the man, like I am trying to do.
This becomes significant when I show you the next scan I have in this line-up of Vibranium all access features. To give you context this is Constrictor vs Absorbing Man. Constrictor happens to have Vibranium for his coils and electricity runs through them. And yes, it is real Vibranium as in the past, when wrapped around peoples throats, it absorbs the sound of their voices. For proof:
What does this mean? This means that Vibranium can hold an electric charge without absorbing it! Otherwise the Vibranium would absorb the electricity running from the back of the coils and it would never reach the front or the person they are aimed for.
Now this is significant for me because I am
Not trying to blast him
Not trying to by-pass the suit to get to the man
I AM going to levitate the suit (with him inside) with EM powers that can hold him as shown by the fact that Vibranium can hold a charge.
Therefore, any pre-tense you might have been under is now shattered Digi. We can now validly assume that my levitation tactic will work flawlessly. Which means you will open youself up to my Omni-Bomb using Dagger's powers.
Well, I'm glad we can admit that her powers work on the soul and your suit cannot block them. However, not enough firepower to bear down on you? Have you been looking at the same scans I have been looking at?
- His Spider-Sense is muted through Spots
- His teleportation leaves him open
- My teleportation is faster
- I can re-summon my shields
- My long range speed is faster than your physical speed
- Vibranium can hold an electric charge and can therefore be levitated.
- Dagger's powers have almost KO'd Spiderman before. One hit from an Omni-Bomb and lights out - their soul can not handle the attack and they have no defense against it.
Actually, that's exactly what his powers are. If he had no idea what was outside of the spots, he'd be flailing wildly at his opponents and putting his limbs into walls and such. How is he able to know where they lead without knowing the conditions of where it leads? Your statement makes no logical sense.
Don't ignore your own shortcomings. No amount of wishful thinking on your part will erase the fact that I can always detect you coming, and can react to your presence before you're even there.
New Tactic (Problem Solved)
Ignore everything about this spider-sense nonsense. Remember the scan Blair posted of Spot poking his head out with doing about 4 other things to Spider-Man? I'm going to materialize my head out of a spot, but safely away from the fight. My limbs can do whatever I want them to, and Spidey can "sense" all of it, because he'll be sensing everything in the "real world" not the spot dimension.
If Blair tries to port near my head, I'll spider-sense it, disappear, reappear elsewhere and repeat the process. Problem Solved. Even if Blair's right about the spidey-sense junk (he's not) I just found a way out of it.
This "respectable distance" stuff is idiotic. I can generate spots anywhere. Let's say I have 1 second notice before you port near me, respectable distance or not. And, mind you, I have evidence (cited later) that 1 second is a horrible underestimation of Pete's sensese.
In 1 second, you or I can perform maybe 3 acts...punches, kicks, a jump, etc. Spider-man is 40x human reflexes. I can generate 12 spots directly next to where you'll be teleporting, and have a barrage attacking you as you teleport in.
Now look at ANY scan of Spot in this thread. How much surface area do the spots cover? 50% might be a generous estimate, but it's close to that. Now, given my spider-sense and psychotically superior reflexes, there's nothing stopping me from congregating all the spots in the direction of Blair's character.
Let it sink in, about 90% of all his attacks will pass harmlessly through spots. And this doesn't even include the Vibranium armor adding to my defense.
His attacks are a joke.
Sigh, don't try to pull this crap. You knew Spot's powers, leo knew spot's powers, I know spot's powers. And we all knew coming into this match that his powers required some time inside the spot dimension, some time out of it. I'm not squatting inside the dimension indefinitely, nor have I ever hid what Spot will be doing. It's not BFR and it's not illegal. If it were, leo woulda already made a ruling since he knows Spot very, very well.
So until that ruling happens (hint: it won't), don't even try this piffle, because it should be beneath what is an otherwise epic match between us.
Amusing, but as drawings usually are in tourneys, pointless. Judges, this represents Blair's interpretation of the fight. It is not a comic, it is not evidence. It counts for nothing.
And what I'm contending is that my character is quicker. By a lot. What was that line from Secret Wars as Pete trashed the X-Men? "You're a joke to me"...? Something like that, if memory serves.
I don't have the next page scanned in, but Mags doesn't regain his shields in the next page, despite Panther being encased in metal. This scan is more than enough proof, but that just adds to it.
So, no shields. He's never had shields, he never will.
Judges, I'll let you use some common sense here. Magneto talked about using T'Challa's blood, but if he could directly affect Panther's suit magnetically, why the hell did he magnetize the area instead of just attacking?
Vibranium nullifies his powers. We've got Tony "The Goddamn" Stark stating it on panel, and Magneto unable to manipulate through it or with it.
That evidence >>>>>>>>>> anything Blair's posted.
90% of which is passing harmlessly through Spots. Whatever else it might be, it is NOT able to circumvent the darkforce dimension. And that's if you manage to hit me with it. Next...
In the most recent issue of ASM, Peter is directly quoted as saying his sense gave him 2 seconds warning for a particular attack. 2 seconds to create spots around the teleport site, 2 seconds to bring about 4 differing attacks on Blair, all of which could kill him.
2 seconds is enough time for you or I to rumble off maybe 6 punches or jump a couple different directions. Imagine what can be done by someone with reflexes 40x human. Blair's teleports are in slow motion to me, and I can be on top of him before he even materializes.
- I altered my strategy to maintain a spider-sense advantage
- Blair's teleportation gives me absurd amounts of time to begin attack even before he materializes.
- My character is faster
- No you can't resummon your shields, so long as you're near me
- Long range, schmong range, my spots make our every encounter close range.
- Vibranium CAN protect against your already-nullified EM powers, and it's only part of my defense. Spots will absorb the majority of any attack you have.
- Can't hit me, can't get through all my defenses to do respectable damage, Dagger, Static, none of them.
Seriously guys, I just punch this guy's damn head off. If I connect once through a Spot, it's over. Blair's a great debater, but he's outmatched.
This is basically just some scans that support my points. My last 2 posts outline everything I'm doing quite well.
1. Spider-Man's durability: http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/...rabilityuj7.jpg
Those blasts >> anything Blair has. I hate to just say he's just picking a low showing for Pete, but he is. SM has survived and tanked FAR, far worse than anything Blair's dishing out.
4. Also remember Pete's "The Other" upgrades he had during his Iron Spidey era. So 40x human reflexes is before the upgrade: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/...ssspeed2tp6.jpg
In his own words, "It's like my whole life I'd been weighed down by metal donuts, and was finally moving at full speed."
New Tactic = Digi realizes the shortcomings of his plans. I'll ignore the nonsense as you put it but I hope the judges don't because in a tournament match you don't get a do-over. Unless you leave room for error then you go down in the fight.
Where the hell is your torso? Who needs to teleport to your head when I can simply teleport to your torso. I think you are not understanding the sheer tactical disadvantage you are leaving for yourself with your head up in the clouds, your limbs trying to move through different spots and your torso simply out in the open for all to see.
Not only that but the hell stops me from teleporting behind your head/spot and attack your torso from an area that is a blind spot for you. You conviently skipped over the part where I stated that your torso is exposed and did not respond. Its a tactical error on your part. How can you defend it when your arms/legs/head are a mile away?
To top it all off how is Spiderman going to differentiate from an attack aimed at one of his limbs to one aimed at his torso to one aimed at his head when he is all kinds of different places?
Every single time you leave your arms or legs exposed, you give me a chance to grab them with my powers. Who needs the speed when I can grab you without touching you. This negates any raw physical speed you might have.
Or I can Omni-Bomb you with my powers. You realize that two daggers hit Spiderman and he was down right? I can just graze you with one and your SOUL would be on fire. You have NO defense against this attack Digi.
Again New Tactics = old ones not working. He's caving judges, a last man's desperate need to win. You got lucky that I cant find the original Spot comic where he makes so many spots that he leaves his body protectionless. You can put together all the spots you want. They will never be big enough to block my light, nor are you quick enough to block light coming from teleported directions. And each time you use a spot you are leaving yourself a little more defenseless.
Anyway, as we have already seen from the scans of Spiderman vs Dagger, we only need a small amount of a dagger to hit you. And then your soul goes ice cold.
Hell Ill give you 90% and raise 9%. All I need is for the dagger/light/omni-bomb to graze you and your ass is grass as your soul lights up and you die. I picked Dagger because none of you have a defense for someone stealing/draining your very life-force. Your misguided perceptions of her are going to cost you as her powers are not based on durability but on freaking life force.
[However for the judges to note, he believes he WILL get hit. And as you saw from the Spiderman scans, that is all I need].
Not evidence no, but most likely scenario, yes. I didnt have time to draw a new one with a floating head, but you really think you have the coordination, speed, and overall ability to be in more than five places and not get confused of where I am teleporting?
I read it. Black Panther clearly punched Magneto to take down the shield.
Kind of a weak attempt to cover your bases. I clearly used evidence using Vibranium. Your attempts at forgetting that fact are noted.
Are you not understanding Dagger's powers completely? I am not attacking your character's body, I am attacking his soul. You can have him tanking Thor's lightning for all I care, the type of attack done is completely different. This is all abut the internal which is why it had such a big effect on Spiderman when he was hit. You let me hit you once and you are over.
Until I teleport behind you and shoot you with Dagger's powers. This works perfectly because the more spots you use, the less you have on your body. If anyone has read up on Spot they should know this.
You have yet to counter against my long range powers vs your physical speed. I can completely negate your speed, but remember that in terms of physical speed I still have advantages as well.
And here ladies and gentle men is Nightcrawler being so fast that the vaunted Spiderman with his "vastly" superior speed that he could not vouch for in this scan being tagged by Nightcrawler and then Nightcrawler teleporting behind him:
Summary of most everything:
- His speed is negated by my long range powers. If he can't get to me or move because I grabbed him, who cares how fast he was?
- He cannot block Dagger's powers or defend against them. It is NOT a durability thing. It is draining your literal life-force
- My teleportation style is faster and more easily used. He has to set up complicated procedures where he sets up spots, takes his hands out of one spot to go to the next, exposes his torso, leaves his head in the air (which gives him blindspots) and he is expected to coordinate all of this.
I hope you all carefully read through the match and realize all the facts that stacked together mean my character wins. I have a much simpler tactic and have scans to prove it. Most of Digi's thoughts are speculative and he had to come up with new tactics to try to win. That just means his old ones were not working. And that means I win.
Either way I've made my case. Thank you Digi for a great match and I hope no one ever says that I ever need prep to debate well ever again.
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I'll go ahead and render my decision now. This is what I'm buying and selling and how I see the match going down:
What I indeed have to sell was originally one of Digi's biggest points: that of Spider-Spot being able to use his spider-sense from within the Spot-dimension. I realize and buy the fact that Spot is aware of what is going on outside his dimension while he is inside of it - afterall, as Digi says - it's how Spot is a threat to his opponents and is able to strike them. However, I don't think its logically consistent to believe that because the character is amalgamated that Spider-Spot will be able to use his Spider-Sense while being submerged in that dimension, when on-panel the Spider-Sense is shut down by that very dimension.
However, I have to sell the (to me) pretty far-reaching idea that Illuminati will be able to use his static levitation to hold Spider-Spot in place once Spider-Spot has discarded his iron suit and has BP's vibranium suit on. Digi posted multiple pieces of evidence as to why EM-based abilities don't work, and as he pointed out, if Magneto could have affected the vibranium suit directly, pretty safe to say that he would have done so.
Blair also brought up the evidence of Constrictor's vibranium conducting electricity and that being a reason why BP's suit can be manipulated by Static Shock's abilities. I have to disagree. As we found out from Doomwar #3, there are five types of vibranium. What type of vibranium is Constrictor's arms made from? Is it Wakandan vibranium? I don't know. Blair never told me. Furthermore, Constrictor's suit of somekind of vibranium with electric current running through it is not the same as BP's suit of Wakandan vibranium mesh weave. It was a reach to make the comparison and unconvincing for me.
And, err...even assuming that Static's abilities could affect BP's suit, he provided zero proof that Illuminati would be able to grab Spider-Spot and hold him in the 4-5 different spots he'd appear simultaneously.
Moreover, I'm not getting Blair's insistence on Spider-Spot needing to leave his torso exposed. If his claim was that if it is hid in the Spot dimension then it is a BFR, I don't buy that - he has other body parts that would be in this dimension in addition to (probably) his head. Thus, I can't call that a BFR. And if his claim was that Spot needs to have his torso out to use his powers (pretty sure it was not), he himself already posted a scan of Spot beating up Spider-Man with only his head and limbs exposed out of the spots.
Blair's first attack seems completely ineffective with Digi's defensive measures and initial opening, so I'll use Digi's first attack instead. His first move was, I believe, using his Spider-Sense to get an idea of where Illuminati is and spot-teleporting his pincer-tentacles there in an effort to overwhelm him with electric feedback. This tactic will be ineffective, IMO. Blair's character has his shield up, and that's going to take the brunt of the damage. It might (for this match I'll assume it will) overload the force field and destroy it, but Illuminati will remain unharmed.
Now if Spider-Spot was wearing that Iron SM armor still, he could be in big trouble from Illuminati. As it is, Digi made the almost prescient decision to discard it - and now, IMO, the Static Shock part of Blair's amalgam is rendered virtually useless offensively.
Dagger's abilities are a huge threat, and I completely buy Blair's point that they are soul-based and are unrelated to any EM wavelength (suspension of rational belief here, as since they're visible they should be part of the visible light spectrum). Blair's scan of Dagger's ability going through Doom's shield and the numerous on-panel evidence about how her power works sold me. I also agree with him that Nightcrawler's teleportation is a huge advantage over Spot's teleportation. That being said, the Spider-Sense would work immediately after his head re-entered this dimension. It's not like there is a delay with it working. Amongst other places, I think this was shown in Infinity Abyss. This means that Spider-Spot would know where Illuminati was teleporting to if it were threatening him and react accordingly - either adjusting his spots around Blair's amalgam or sending energy daggers through them or whatever other attacks Digi has already suggested.
Blair's character has the edge in long range attacks, and hell, probably versatility. But with Spot's abilities to send Iron Spider-Man and Black Panther's gadgets over long distances almost instantly, that edge is basically neutralized. Digi's first line of defense is probably the spots that he'll throw up during or just before Illuminati's teleport which Illuminati is going to have to navigate pell-mell and his second defense is the spots on his suit which're going to cover about 30-40% of his body and can be moved to suit Spider-Spot. Blair's only defense, really, seems to be Static Shock's electric force field, which can probably be taken down with Iron SM's feedback, BP's suit and claws, or potentially bypassed via intangible claws.
I think Digi's defense is much more sound. I think Blair packs the game changer in Dagger's abilities, assuming he can land it on a Spider-Man with teleporting abilities and assuming it doesn't hit one of Spider-Spot's spots in space or on his suit first. These are big assumptions, and while I won't go as far as saying its out of the realm of possibility, I will say that it's much more likely that Digi's amalgam will land the first blow or two of the match more often than Blair's amalgam will. And that should be all it takes. Spider-Spot has the huge durability edge.
So I see this as a very long match, with a lot of teleporting around before anyone lands anything. But if I had to bank on who blinks first, it'd be Illuminati. Therefore, I see Digi as the winner in this match. And it was a good one.
Good luck to whomever advances after other judges render their votes.
Flip-flopped on this thread a couple times. Very good battle.
Digi's character is much more power, much more. Physically this would be a blowout. Clearly a beast of a character. A very good job representing him as well.
Blair's character is a very technical character. He can't really be seen as a very powerful character IMO. However, that doesn't mean he's outmatched, as his powers made up for it. Blair did a fantastic job representing him, and tbh, I didn't think his characters made up for Digi's.
About the battle:
Digi started off very strong, and adapted to many situations. Until he outright changed his strategy...
Blair was like a robot, focused on one thing, and one thing only. Very consistent.
I'll make points pertaining to certain angles. Soul:
However, the 'Soul' power really changed the tone to the thread. Digi had no defense against it, and it already almost took down Spider-Man, with seemingly less than what will be used here, which was the only thing (besides a suit) that Digi used to really try and defend against it, which I didn't feel he could after a while. I mean, Spider-Man was already almost taken down by a weaker attack, and I don't believe his soul is any more resistant to it. There was two instances Blair used that show it being more than a 'light' attack. One in the Cloak scans. And one where it went through a human in the Spider-Man scans. If this wasn't enough, he even showed it working against a very defense heavy Dr Doom. That's proof right there. I don't see durability, and suits blocking it.
The change in Digi's strategy also opened up an interesting point Blair brought up... he'd leave himself more open to an omni-attack from Dagger's powers. That thing looks pretty unavoidable, unless Digi is actively hiding within a Spot, which from the looks of this battle, he isn't.
I don't believe Static can bring anything here to the table, and I didn't see it here at anytime after Digi rebuttled to it. The suit gives him a solid resistance against anything, and the claws could cut through anything as well. I felt Digi completely nullified him, and all I felt the use of him at the end of the battle was that he had the ability to fly. Anything involving his use of powers is just wasting Blair's time, and Digi's time maybe reacting to it. It'd be like punching Juggernaut when you can knock him off balance. Ineffective.
Spider-Man is obviously the fastest here. However, Blair was able to show some scans of his characters reacting to him, and tagging him, which would go along well with other strategies, since his team isn't as 'brutish' as Digi's team is.
The Spot portion of Digi's powers though is interesting. Mixed with Spider-Man, this is a devastating combo. Had Blair not had Nightcrawler (to a lesser extent, Dagger's speed), this could have been all that was needed. All Digi would theoretically need is one shot, and with Nightcrawler, Blair is able to react to that one shot in time. Even if that one shot is the use it and lose it Metal Suit. There is shields afterall, and I feel the shields would provide a decent defense against Digi's one time power, and provide Blair the time to get away (really the only defensive use of Static here).
And since this could I guess go under speed... I WAS feeling the Spider-Sense/Spot combo. It makes perfect sense, I mean, why wouldn't it? They're amalgammed together and Spot knows where his spots go, and Spider-Man's powers extends to everything he does. However, the scan Blair showed after he seemingly caught it in the Spider-Man scans went against this perfectly. His Spider Sense would be muted... actually, the whole battle (even though Digi changed his strategy) since he's always in the dimension really, because a head out means a body in. Which means Digi really has no warning ahead of time at any point here. However, ignoring that, Blair brought up an interesting point about him being able to sense danger to his hands and stuff if his head is way behind at the battlefield...
Not saying all these points are equal, but I felt they were relevant enough to bring up.
With all considered, I give the battle to Blair.
I felt that Dagger's omni-blast/powers give this to Blair. Dagger was a complete undefendable opponent, like Blair said. Coupled with his ability to avoid the ever deadly Spider-Spot's attacks, and attack at long range, I have to give it to him.
Also Digi changing his strategy which is a no-no, and tbh, I'm not exactly sure how his initial battle plan changes after that.
Good job to both combatants, and I don't think anyone besides Blair could have expected the 'Soul' attacks. It's a bit like what happened in the first round... ironic.
Last edited by One Big Mob on May 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 PM
I don't think I can put out quite as much of a long vote as Enyalus -- he seemed to cover pretty much all the bases of the fight, so I don't know how much there is to talk about.
I found the idea that Blair would be using magnetism on Vibranium to be very implausible, and if it is immune to Magneto, I don't think Blair's claim his power will work any better are sound. The claim that magnetism can't affect things within the suit, but can affect the suit itself, is a very unsupported and weak speculation.
The torso-BFR issue is moot as well, I believe. It quite clearly doesn't violate the spirit of the law here, which would prevent just camping in the spot realm. Saying that whatever the torso's doing is BFR, seems to me to just be nitpicking the rules to favor Blair. I don't think that point is even worth considering.
Darkforce/Spider Sense: While it is possible Spiderman wouldn't be able to sense through the spots, once he sticks his head out from the spots, like Digi said, the problem doesn't really matter anymore.
Omni-Blast: While I do believe Blair showed that vibranium won't stop it, the spots on Digi's body will. At least 50 percent is going to be canceled. Blair was fond of saying that since Spidey "only" could handle two daggers, the omni-blast would be a 1-hit KO. However, no evidence was presented that showed me that a hit from the omni-blast was worse than a direct hit from a light dagger. The only people ever hurt by the omni-blast were normal humans, and common sense indicates that if it was both unavoidable, and stronger than her usual attacks, she would have used it more than just one time.
Digi can move his spots in the proper direction; even in an omni blast, if he covers the side facing Blair's amalgam, the whole thing would pass through more or less. Since he has spider sense, I think he can do this fairly easily.
Looking at the big picture, most of Digi's tactics are totally valid. He can use his spider sense to preempt teleportation, he can put down Blair's shield, and he can probably beat him in only a few hits. Blair on the other hand, has little to counter with. He can't grab him magnetically, he can't really get Digi by surprise, and his only hope which is to one-shot him, probably won't work either for reasons stated. Therefore, I vote for Digi.
Blair and I had some spirited discussion via Pm's about this match as well. Not of the debating kind, but just general discussion and interest. And it was, for both of us, a very entertaining and challenging match. Thank you to the judges for prompt and thorough rulings. And I guess I'll see...someone in the finals.