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King Kandy's Tourney: Draft 1

Send your submissions at 5:00 Pacific time.

Contestants will send a single draft pick to me via PM, where I will do a "first consideration" of whether to accept them or not. If they pass, I will post the draft choice in the draft thread, anonymously, and contestants will have a chance to debate whether it should be accepted or not. If a strong case is made that the character should not be accepted, the contestant will have to pick a new character (which will again be given via PM).

Draft will end at 5:00 pacific time, three days from now.


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Draft 1:

Madison Jeffries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Jeffries


As opposed to Magneto, who I assume is allowed at the low herald power level. Interesting.


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Draft 4:

Vulcan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28Marvel_Comics%29

(I feel he may be too powerful despite being listed in "low herald". If anyone can give good evidence either way, much obliged.)


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Vulcan seems like fair game if Monica, and Starhawk are allowed.


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he may be pushing the upper level. When he was introduced, there is no doubt he would be too strong, but since seeing him fight Havok, Polaris and the Starjammers in King War, he might have had his powerset defined a bit better, and pulled in a bit.


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Vulcan and Nova (Richard Ryder) may be mid heralds.


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Isn't current Nova > Vulcan?

I'm not really familiar with current Nova unfortunatly...

EDIT: what kind of feat would differentiate low from mid herald? I can grab the King war stuff for us to look at.


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There are not particular feats that make you jump ranks, normally is about how good you look on Average and how above-your-rank people can you beat/hang with. A delicate balance, that's for sure.

Nova was becoming consistently good at the end of his run, and Vulcan always worked on a high threat level through his relatively short career. Compare that consistency with heralds such as Apocalypse and Magneto and you'll see that Vulcan and Nova are considered overall more solid.

Edit: Note that I'm not -directly- saying Vulcan and Nova are above the caps, but some of the highlights in their careers happened after the tier list was locked so the discussion for movements never were fully developped.


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to be fair, I would put Vulcan above magneto, Apoc, and the other draft picks thus far

I'm too new to this to say yay or nay though


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Emperor Vulcan is in that grey are between Low-Mid herald. An argument could be made both ways. But all in all, Magneto seems far more impressive, with better feats/track record then Vulcan. If Magneto is our point of reference, to base where energy manipulators stand. I for one think he is fair game, and Iíve read every piece of material involving Vulcan.

Now Vulcan when he had his team mates powers, is a clear no. But he isnít the one being drafted.


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Emperor Vulcan is in that grey are between Low-Mid herald. An argument could be made both ways. But all in all, Magneto seems far more impressive, with better feats/track record then Vulcan. If Magneto is our point of reference, to base where energy manipulators stand. I for one think he is fair game, and Iíve read every piece of material involving Vulcan.

Now Vulcan when he had his team mates powers, is a clear no. But he isnít the one being drafted.


actually, I have to agree at this point

Just flipped through the War of Kings/Realm of Kings stuff and (spoiler warning) it is essentially Vulcan getting beat by Havok and Black Bolt (who, for most of the fight doesn't use his voice powers, and when he does, annhilates Vulcan essentially in one hit).

TBH, considering he was supposed to be the "villian" of the series, he had a very low showing...

Doesn't he get beat up by gladiator in Emperor Vulcan?

(Vulcan does have some other advantages over magneto though, accelerated healing, strength, durability, speed)


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Alright, i'm convinced by now.


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He did get one-shooted once Gladiator went serious. But the fact that he single handedly took on the Imperial Guard by himself is impressive.

Other then his Omega Level physicality, that grants him a decent healing factor. No I donít know what else he has going for him, besides high energy manipulation.


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lol, he DID punch an already weak and restrained Polaris in the face...


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I'll cosign Id, that if Magneto is the reference point, Vulcan should be fine. The point of drafts is to push the limits without breaking them, so they're valid picks imo. Most of the people who should be banned in a given draft are fairly obvious, and force a reaction from other competitors.


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Draft 5: Magneto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(comics)


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Beh, I'm among people who think Vulcan is above Magneto simply because he steadly works as a mid to high Magneto, he is just worse at pissing feat contests because he has less showings. I guess you can make an argument about it, but losing to Blackbolt (whom he was beating before he used his voice) and to Gladiator (in a relatively good showing for the character) doesn't make you Apocalypse level.

I guess that, since Vulcan can always be compared to Magneto, he qualifies as "fair enough". This kind of ABC logic doesn't quite fly for me in defining tiers though -you could allow a bunch of mid heralds using the same basis-.


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In my mind, Vulcan has comparable power output to Magneto (perhaps greater, but I really don't think it would play out that clearly given a feat war), and far less talent or shown versatility implementing said power.

Therefore, he's allowable, IMO, but I may eat those words come the tourney.

I'm following my usual MO of throwing a team together completely on the fly. I'd like to pretend I'm just that awesome that I don't need the prep and thought that everybody else has put into their teams, but given my track record of winning tourneys (oh wait... it doesn't exist), that's pretty clearly not the case. C'est la vie.

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