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Battlezone: CDB vs. Beatboks

Amalgams:

Charlotte's Queen of Emeralds
Emma (mind), Miss Martian (body) and Polaris (powers)

Beatbok's Old-Man's Justice
The shield (body), The Question (mind), Justice (power)

Stipulations are the same as Curryman's current tourney, including limitations on

Equipment & prep location of the "mind" pick are used.
The "powers" pick comes with inherent knowledge of the powers being used.
Any exotic powers from the "body" pick must be believably unlocked using the "mind." Only strength/durability/healing is standard, though other body-based powers can be unlocked.

Judges TBD

Length - 5 post limit (plus writeup, so 6 total).

Writeups inc.


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beatboks wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 08:42 AM:
Write up part 1 ( there may be a part two if I et time but if it's not to you by Saturday post without it, don't want to hold the good lady up)
Battlzone v Charlotte - Amalgam

Body - Jarred Stephens
Mind - Vic Sage
power - Justice ( Tenison)

what are the changes.

losses
OK taking Jarred instead of Shield lowers much of my physical status. I loose the impervious nature of my former body as well as it's speed and agility. Where Shield could tank machine gun fire, point blank mortar blasts, artillery fire, flame throwers, electricity and much more. Jarred can be cut and a trank dart pierces his skin. his durability is solely due to his incredible healing. He was the only survivor of a 727 crash where the aircraft went up in flames as he walked through them. It took enough tranquilizer to put down a herd of elephants to actually affect his system and even then id didn't work until after he'd won the battle ( or rather the adversary had withdrawn because they thought they had lost). he can literally go without sleep food or drink for indefinite periods.

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While Jarred is said to have Super strength he really also doesn't have any quantifiable feats that even match those of Shield so at best he is also in his strength class.

Gains
The things having Jarred can give my amalgam that Shield can't
1. His body is immune to magic, it can only affect him IF he allows it. - Obviously this is of No consequence here since I don't face a mystic.
2. His "sight" basically he see's the fate of everything and through illusion. He sees the truth of everything. When he looks at someone he sees how they will play a role in fate or the way they will/can die. He has actually witnessed whole battles against adversaries before he has fought them. he also sees portents to the future in everyday life. this sight also allows him to travel the spartial tangents ( lines of powers) from place to place.This is of course a power, but with Vic's urbane Shaman mysticism it will be unlocked.

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His sight is like what Tenison and Vic have on steroids a 100 times over.

3. His "chaotic and Morpheus arm that can spread like tentacles to fight hundreds or even thousands of adversaries.

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4. The fact that his body was bathed in the power of both a Lord of Chaos ( when the amulet of Anubis was exploded in his presence and it's power went into him transforming him into Fate) and a Lord of Order ( when he sought out Nabu who gifted him with some of his own energy when he refused to allow Nabu to use him as a host as he had done before.

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This last part is a VERY important aspect of my amalgam.
1. Since Vic has taught himself the ways of magic in his hallucinogenic states he is able to work minor magic from his knowledge. Usually this involves "praying' to the earth and her energy doing as he wants. Now being in a body that is bathed and flooded with the energy of both Order and Chaos means the magic he can work is vastly increased. He may not know the vast spells of the forces of order and chaos but those he does know will be 100's of time more potent.

2. As I mentioned in the tourney, justice generates his force fields and blasts ( as well as healing) by drawing on the energy of his Ki. The merger of Vic and Tenison since Vic can tap the Ki of the earth increases that but adding Jarred to the mix also means that the body who's Ki he is drawing on is cosmic level power. The type of power that in DOV was able to battle a blood lusted Spectre and last longer than any one else.

So while the body I have in this battlezone is in actuality in many ways less powerful than the one I have in Curry's tourney, the unlocked potential it give's me is astronomical. I will be able to use power the likes of which Jarred himself never even dreamed.

Basically my amalgam now has the ability to create Shields and blasts on AT LEAST mid to high herald level. If Justice could vapirize/atomize a human drawing only on the Ki of his own body, drawing on the Ki of a body bathed in the power of a Lord Of Order and Chaos AND linked to the Ki of the Earth the force of both my blasts and force fields will be devastating. Combining the sight of Jarred, Vic and Tenison will also mean I am virtually omniscient. I will know your entire history and future at a glance. I will know what harms you what role you will play in things to come and how you can be killed. Your weaknesses will become an open book to me.

Tapping the energy of Fate's body even the basic spells used by Vic will be amazingly potent. A similar type of attack was planned by Luthor to use a mystic on Vic's level to wield the energy of tainted spirits to destroy superman ( it was Vic who purged the energy from it and protected Superman).
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Instead of relying on his "prayers" he will have to power to simply cast the spell and watch the carnage.

This was the power I was intending to build in my amalgam for the tourney, sometimes I feel a little cheated since others were allowed to have characters with much greater power levels than jarred but that's part of the game after all.

Now in our original match there were comments from the judges that my illusions didn't work because all they saw was someone changing in front of Superman. I never quite got that since i thought I showed a LOT more but that might have been either image failures or I posted them in my "non" with Psycho.

Here he makes his adversaries see a dozer moving to draw them to where he is not
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Despite choking one of his enemies in clear view of the others they cannot see him.
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Makes those looking at scanner devices who had detected him see the readings as something else and then himself invisible.
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Makes himself invisible and illusions of himself elsewhere (behind them) to draw fire
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Makes himself look like an enemy (that he already killed) to infiltrate their organization
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There was also a comment that i would not sense what I said I would because I can only sense what the city see's so since my adversary can be unseen I can't sense her. That also was incorrect since Vic's "sight/vision" allow him to see the "unseen dead or ghosts"
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With a "prayer' he makes his adversaries think what he wants them too. This isn't TP it's magic and for all Emma's skill she
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Charlotte's Writeup

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Charlotte DeBel wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 11:20 AM:
Charlotte’s writeup.
Welcome to Sapporo, suckers.
Emeralda 2.0 (aka Queen of Emeralds) vs Xama 2.0 (aka whatever Boks thinks is cool)
Back to the basics
I’ll start with some quick rundown on my amalgam “for those new to our show”
First of all, let’s remember that innate abilities of alien races count towards body. And Emma Frost is a noted body-hopper
Takes a ride in Iceman’s body. This also states that Emma’s body hopping skills stem from her mind control skills.
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Storm’s body (her first body-hopping experience, she feels much more natural in Iceman's case)
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Mastery of Martian powers highly depends on telepath skills, and both body and mind properties may be altered via possession.
Mind
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Body
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The shapeshifting ability and telepathy are interlinked
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Emma’s possession powers are derivative of her mind control skills
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She also has quite an experience on working with alien minds
Fury
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Mojo
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She is also capable of telepathically manipulating her OWN body functions - like perfectly imitating coma or bootstraping her brain chemistry to deal with paralyzing toxins (while simultaneously using her TP for several other tasks including tricking Exodus, a top tier telepath in his own right):
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So her control over her new body will be just as good as M’gann’s own… and even better (Iceman’s situation is a direct analogue).
The physical stats of the Queen of Emeralds will be roughly equal to a trained White Martian, such as Primaid.
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Meaning somebody who surprised a frigging SUPERMAN with her speed and strength. That’s tourney cap speed right there, over cap thinking speed (important for someone who has TP as a primary route of attack).
Emma's TP skills will be transferred to this amalgam flawlessly, boosting M’Gann’s own TP abilities upwards quite a bit.
Also, we shall note something (or two somethings) about defenses.
Martians shunt all their mass into another dimension when phased. That makes them effectively massless. As demonstrated by J’onn by bypassing Oa security.
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Telepathy (and presumably other psi-powers) works during phasing, so I may stay phased when using my primary means of offence – which are magnetic and psionic powers.
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I can also phase only a part of my body if I need to
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I also can control my own gravimetric signature using Polaris’ powers.
Polaris lived in “self-imposed reversed gravity environment” as part of her training
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So I’m PHASED AND controlling my mass signature.
I also can turn invisible physically
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And psionically (both against average Joes and powerhouses like Xavier and Phoenix Jean)
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Polaris’ shields have withstood the destruction of Genosha
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She has shielded a spaceship from attacks while destroying another one with magnetic blast
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So keeping up shields WHILE attacking is not bad.

A telepathy gives me “early warning” system
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That is also added by “psychic osmosis”
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I can detect psi-shielded things by detecting that some area is shielded.
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The disruption in ambient psi-signal means that something is wrong with the area.

So… let’s go to the battle.
When appearing in the air over the city, I am:
a) Phased
b) Invisible both physically and psionically
c) Telepathically shielded against intrusion (like here, with shielding against city-wide illusion)
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d) Indirectly scan the area by both absorbing knowledge with osmosis and checking ambient psi-background for things that…don’t belong there
Then I… well, I immediately use Polaris’ powers to turn the damn city upside down like here, when depowered Magneto uses her powers to create the avalanche
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Or here when Polaris easily blows up Mephisto’s fortress, killing\injuring a vanguard of his demon army
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The blast of such magnitude is more than enough to take the Xama 2.0 off balance\off guard as it is bordering the limits of his shields\durability.
Messing up the city also weakens the city spirit which is the main power source of Xama, thus weakening him. Not to mention him being caught into the citywide AOE attack is going to give him away by stray thoughts, which as seen above is more than enough to finish him off.
Note that this is in the very first instance of the battle, using my speed\initiative edge.

Once I pinpoint him (or pin him) via my initial attack, I go for his mind, doing to it something like this:
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And for his body with this:
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That shall knock my opponent down for good.
Good luck.


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Location: Australia

ok off to battle

Charlotte I'm afraid has underestimated the vast changes my changed body will bring to this match. While it's true that Xama 1.0 would have been rocked by such an attack on the earth that is no longer the greatest source of Xama 2.0's power. no far from it he can draw on the energy of Order and Chaos that has flooded his body. this also meant those shields will withstand such an attack as they are much more powerful than ever before. Vic can tap this same power for his shamanism, he wont be able to work spells like a lord of order since he doesnt know them but he will be able to do what he does faster and with more potency as the power is within his body.

Also the whole invisible and illusion thing is a complete and utter waste when one has the vision of Fate who is able to percieve the true reality of everything. he can see portents of reality or coming changes of it in everyday events he could even see through mystically altered beings who appeared on every level to be what they were not. So from the outset I will have a great advantage as I will know exactly where you are while you think I don't. This will actually make the surprise attack mine as you wont be expecting it.

The power of my strikes will also be quite devastating. tapping the power of a Lord of Chaos and order that bathed Jared as well as able to use the Earth's ki will make my shields and blasts high herald level at the very least. I'm afraid it wont be I that will be off balance early on.

Now a little to my durability. While it's true I'm not as dirable to piercing attack Fate's healing factor makes him easily hulk level durability

scans will be forthcoming in my next post to support when I get home from work

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Gender: Female
Location: Belarus

Now... that is good. I'll be brief since I see no need to go into long rebuttals here.
Seeing through reality and causality
So... you see me, big deal.
Phoenix also claimed to be the entity who saw through all kinds of deception. Yet Emma managed to escape its clairvoyance/cosmic awareness. The Phoenix was utterly convinced that Emma died in her blast.
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I'm faster than you
You said yourself that Fate IS slow. Nowhere near Mach 10 or anything.
Observe
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So my city-wrecking blast WILL be the battle-opener in any case.
Empathic link
Urban shaman powers require working and existing contact with the city.
Wrecking it or cutting it from Earth's gravity field will work wonders in that it will create enough of painful feedback for my opponent.
And due to my speed edge it will happen faster than my opponent will have a chance to pray for anything.
City transmitting nothing but pain of it being destroyed will surely kick my opponent off balance. Even if your shielding stands this.
That will allow me to do either direct manipulation of your body (shields of Justice only protected him from direct blasts, not from the iron being ripped from your body) or shut down your mind.

You are in slow motion to me. Amping the shield that functions like a forcefield version of solid material shield (deflecting debris) will not change its nature, I'm afraid.
And I still wreck you with a painful feedback from my opener.


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beatboks
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Gender: Male
Location: Australia

I lack physical speed yes, but then again since I can see what the future holds with just about any part of my amalgam

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( plus I've already shown you how Vic sees the future and Tenison knows everything about a person just be being in their presence)

Plus even without the the dimensional travel of Tenison enhanced by Vic, using Fate's ability to travel spartial tangents (unlocked by Vic) I'd say being able to cover the distance that would take 6 and a half hours to fly in under 10 seconds more than makes up for any physical speed I've lost.
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Instant transportation combined with precognition makes for killer reaction speed.

No matter how potent this opening attack is there is
1. No guarantee you will strike first even with your speed because of Jarred's/Vic's/Tenison's senses and my amalgam's teleportation.
2. Not a hope in hell it can put my amalgam down. First it would have to get past the durability of Jarred's HF
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He's tanked exploding aircraft, fire, blasts from dimensional entities, exploding dimensional vortex's ( that took out hundreds of demons BTW), thousands of volts of electricity, a tenement being exploded on top of him, and much more.
Plus get through the Shields of Justice.
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who's power ( that he draws from the Aura/ki of his body will be vastly increased since his body is bathed in the power of the amulet of Anubis
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An artifact so powerful even Classic Fate had a hard time defeating it's power and hand to draw on almost every Lord of order to do so.
His body is also bathed in the power of Nabu
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An entity who in DoV fought and lasted longer against Spectre than anyone and was his final undoing.

The likelihood that even the most potent blast you have is going to do any lasting damage is minor at best.

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Urban shaman powers require working and existing contact with the city


This is where your argument falls down. Vic's urban shamanism isn't wholly reliant on the earth at all. It's true that for MOST of his potent showings in shamanism he drew on it but that isn't the only source he uses.
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He gained his abilities because of the hallucinogenic effect of the gasses he uses to bond his mask. In a similar way that the Indian Shamans use a smoke lodge to speak to spirits. His power comes ( or at least starts) from being in touch with the "other side" of life. He can also get power from spirits and does so for his spirit attacks. Most of his high end magic feats have been from drawing on the power of Earth as it is a much greater energy source than that of a single or few spirits.

In this amalgam I am not so limited. There is much power within the body of my amalgam for Vic to tap to work his shamanism. For one thing you can't get much more access to the power of the other side of life than being bathed in the power of one of the Greek gods of the afterlife. The Lords of order ( and hence Nabu) are also steeped in the power of spirits. I can get the scans if you'd like but this was shown when in JLA the Grey man was shown to gather the dreams and faith of man as power for the LOO.

There is now much greater power available for Vic to work his magic than he could ever get from linking with the earth from within the form of my amalgam.

Where once Justice's shields could withstand building leveling explosions ( though they gave they protected ) drawing on JUST the energy of his own body, drawing on the energy of both Anubis and Nabu that should withstand planet busting attacks. Where justice's blasts could vaporize or atomize a human they would now be a AOE attack that could take out countries. Vic's illusions which once merely altered perception would be amoed incredibly and border on reality manip ( they won't of course attain that level as Vic has never attained that level of knowledge).

Emerelda 2.0 May ( and indeed is) faster than Xama 2.0 physically but with precog ( which is now even better than before) and instant transportation nothing I can't handle.

She also has the physical advantages in strength, and piercing durability. Courtesy of healing factor and shields it is however nothing I can't handle.

Phasing may protect her from by energy blasts and my tentacle arm but not my spirit attack which is ethereal in nature and every bit out of phase with the physical as intangibility.

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White Queen of KMC

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Location: Belarus

First, a shield in your scan served as well... a shield to shield some humans from falling debris. No proof that its configuration will change if you pump more energy into it. And the configuration with both shields and blasts being directed from hands... is not sufficient.

In fact, it's an old "speedster vs precog" debate. Only this time, a speedster ALSO happens to have some kind of clairvoyance (see psychic osmosis scans above).
The blast is to create a painful flashback and then (or simultaneously) a mental shutdown since no component of your amalgam has any defence against telepathy.
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And a mental shutdown is inevitable.


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Just a note for the judges, Beatboks's body pick is incorrect in my OP. I'm going to try to get another of the mods to edit it, but please just ignore it. The body listed in his writeup is the correct one, and it is different than what he used in curry's tournament.


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the configuration doesn't need to change in the scan i showed a wall put up between the explosion and justice. the shield protected everyone before it collapsed. it will therefore prevent any direct damage to my amalgam as my shields now have exponentially greater power behind them. The inoy other way your blast does any damage is due to the earth link which I simply no longer need. Vic has a far greater source of power within himself than he'd get from tapping the Earth's ki to power his magic. It will still only be the shamanistic type magic he uses but due to the new source of power will be functionally on the power level of much greater mages.

Your also wring about no resistence to TP onslaught. Justice initially had mild Yp which was significantly upgraded in Newuniversal and by Exiles he was suown as full on psionic. he was shown to be resistent to PSI force as well. not I'll admit on Emma's level but I'd warrant up to handling miss martian even with Emma's expertise. plus as I recall Jarred resisted Nabu's attempts to control him also. I wont say I've got a solid stop hut you wont get an auto win that way. I was trying to find some of these scans issues last night and will have another look tonight to support

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White Queen of KMC

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Emma was NEVER about raw power, darling. And "resisting" M'Gann as Prometheus did is nothing important here - it's no-selling a newb telepath. Newb is one thing. One of Marvel's top five skillwise - not the best idea.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xraGTiaTK...exepilogue1.jpg
Free to try where Legion's Moira persona failed.
Also, since magnetic/gravity fields are still affecting your character, I may well attempt to mess with you from INSIDE your shielding. Justice's shields have only stopped kinetic energy from piercing them, not light/electromagnetism.

Using ambient psionic energy to augument my own reserves is also a variant here.
http://postimg.org/image/gwulbbntn/
I redirect what is in environment. Onto you.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...9800320on7.jpg/
Doing the same while getting drained by Phoenix. A being that controls life force. In fact that was the scan I've forgotten to use against Id.

In order to win this you:
a)need solid proof of your character surviving mindrape/mindfry;
Cause willpower only gets you that far:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/475/29kd3.jpg/
http://s4.photobucket.com/user/anti...emmaff.jpg.html
b) need solid proof that kinetic shielding of Justice stops anything other than kinetic energy. And that your character can survive without iron in its blood:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...xmen004rt6.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-image...xmen005xx9.jpg/
That is Magneto, not Polaris, but here he presents coherent explanation on how this feat works and how it is different from simply blasting you in the face.
c)that urban link disappears completely and destroying area around you will not affect you in any way.
d) that you can hide from telepathic clairvoyance (Emma, OTOH, was able to convince the Spirit of Life (aka Phoenix) that she was dead. And Phoenix is a freakin' embodiment of life. Think of it for a moment, darling).


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On a road trip with the family ( school hols) so currently no access tk any scans that I can actually read ( was going to try and load some from my photobucket account but I'm not even sure if I have the right ones on my Iphone)

there are several reasons why TP wont cut it here.

first Nabu himself tried and failed to take over Fate and failed.

second the conclave ( several of the most powerful mages in DCU some like Dr Occult powerful TPers) couldn't read him or influence him. Nabu could control even Kent Nelson who even without his artifacts was a powerful TPer also.

Third is Justice was shown in exiles to also be beyond the reach of powerful TPers. most of the psionic feats I was thinking of was when his body was possessed by Proteus. Having said that he posed more of a threat to proteus than any other to that point. even to the point that Proteus couldn't TP detect him the way he could anyone else. Proteus absorbs the memories of those he takes over so having taken mimic whi could use all the xmens power to a greater degree than they could ( including Jean Grey) so the experience of Emma isn't giving you any more.

TP reall isn't getting the job done here at all.

As for the Pheonix force the Lords of order and chaos ore the force of creation in the DCU. the energy of their constant battle caused the god wave and created the DCU gods/new gods. Resisting the force of one of them trying to control you is at least equal to resisting the pheonix for e doing same. Unless your saying Emma's skill makes he more capable of mental dominTion the Ph F.

now to your other "attacks".
He Earth attack would have worked reasonably well against my amalgam prior to body change but not now as I simply don't need earth energy. Vic's shamanism is powered by spirit not earth. As I said to do a couple of his most powerful feats he tapped the earth as it's life energy is greater and allows him to do much more. When however that mind resides ina body that has been bathed in the energy of a god of the afterlife and a lord of order the the energy of the dead ( the two worlds he walks) hat is at his disposal is far greater than what he could draw from earth. why would he even go to the trouble to take longer to draw less energy and work less effectively than use the far greater more efficient energies within him??? It would be illogical and stupid to do so.

Justice's shields have stopped energy blasts. As for kinetic light and electromagnetism are also caused by movement of particles or waves as well. Wrap copper around iron and pass a current through it (moving charged particles) and you have an electromagnet. light is moving waves which exhibit the same properties as matter quantm mechanics. There is no distinction I'm afraid, nice attempted defection however.

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I was under the assumption that you guys were getting your own judges. If this isn't the case, PM me and we'll work it out.


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Judges are Oliver North, Damborgson, and (I think) Delph.


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I have 2/3 judgments, and I've pestered the other recently. Should be done soon. Sorry for the delay!


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Been waiting on the last judge. Alas.

But in the interests of not letting this go forever, both judges' votes that I have are for the same person. So...

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Bentley wrote on Nov 1st, 2013 04:29 PM:
Ok, first of all, let me congratulate both, it was an interesting and well articulated match. Into the ratings:


Amalgam.

Charlotte: Her combination is really good and I like it, Emma + M'gann is great stuff and while Polaris doesn't scream combo with those, its a very versatile power.

Beatboks: This amalgam is so odd that it's crazy, I really think that the new combination works a lot better than the last one, the mystic energy combination in the body is a great addition indeed.

I'm going with BB, it's a very creative combination and really improved from the last time.


Debate.


Mmmh... This is difficult to say, there were certain argumentations from both sides that I didn't really buy, also there were just a few comebacks because the answers were kind of short. I do think the debate overall lacked more interaction, some points were too dropped a little too fast.

I'm giving the edge to Charlotte, because she dictated the pace of the battle, BB spent too much time defending his strategy and too little time picking apart Charlotte's strategy.


Strategy.

Both strategies were properly deployed and worked for the most part. BB had a sturdy defense, but he didn't focus enough in attacking. I believed he had stronger blasts, but to work on a phased opponent, he needed his spiritual moves that he didn't really mentioned much at all this once -I read his previous match, so I know he had that option-. Charlotte's versatility and speed were well played to play around shielding. I cannot help but to feel that BB lost an opportunity to adapt his strategy further to Charlotte's strategy, he knew that she'd use osmosis, so he could've used such ability against her. Still, the anti-TP tech seemed like a solid argument, and the seeing the truth feat was a very valuable one.

Despite everything, I do believe BB was more adapted to take on Charlotte than the opposite. The strategy was better, but it wasn't optimal either. I'm going with BB, but really, could've gone either way.

Bottomline, I vote for BB, but there is still lots of improvement to do in the debating side because I think Charlotte still dictated the pace here. BB seemed to carry the stronger argument, at least for me, and I'm going with that this once.


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Damborgson wrote on Oct 20th, 2013 09:43 PM:
Okay here goes: This was actually very difficult to judge. I was stuck deciding about which would matter more, Beatbooks ability to predict Charlottes movements, or Charlottes speed ending it quick. In the end, I was more convinced that the Beatbooks could deal with Charlottes Tp attacks for just long enough to unleash some mystical whammy and end it. That said, I could've also seen Charlotte ending it as well. Just ever so slightly more for Beatbooks. Sorry, Charlotte, I swear I don't have anything against you. >_< Even if this is the second time I've voted against you. Very cool match from both of you, hope to see you all in the future, maybe even BZ against either one of you.


Good job to both, sorry again for any delays, and congrats to Beatboks!


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Well, congrats to my opponent. This was expected, as my effort was half-assed at best - bogged down by RL and mental exhaustion for semifinals.

But my opponent was truly worthy, so congratulations to him for this victory.


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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Well, congrats to my opponent. This was expected, as my effort was half-assed at best - bogged down by RL and mental exhaustion for semifinals.

But my opponent was truly worthy, so congratulations to him for this victory.

Thank you my lady. It was fun.
In hind sight when my first few body picks were denied for the tourney I should have just changed tack for all three picks instead of trying to adjust to make my plan half work.

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Congratulations on your first win in KMC, Beat.


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For what it's worth, here's the final vote, making it 2-1 BB.

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Oliver North wrote on Nov 13th, 2013 04:46 PM:
My choice: Charlotte

The fight is interesting, both amalgams seem to have exploitable "win conditions" that would beat the other, however, imho and from the scans that were posted, it seems like the fight is Charlotte's to lose.

To keep it brief, even if we give BB's amalgam the omniscience power as part of his "body" (something that didn't sit right with me, though it was never really debated), nothing posted convinced me that it would immediately be able to locate Charlotte, know how to break her defenses, know how to counteract phasing and defend against psy attacks all at the same time, and it seemed to me this was what BB's strategy hinged on. Further, Emma is a psy beast, and with no clear psionic defenses, BB is sort of a sitting duck. I'll clarify to say that I believe it is possible that BB's amalgam could beat Charlotte's, I just don't think it did in this scenario.


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