(yeah, I know that's the Invisible Woman... same power though)
If any proof can be shown (pretty sure there is none) that Super Skrull's force fields are vastly different from the Invisible Woman's then I can simply go intangible. All other powers function perfectly when Vision is ethereal:
So, if that type of omnidirectional attack is used, well, I gotta say "thanks for the boost"
let's face it, all of lights attacks produce heat, Super Skrull is immune or even boosted by heat, so what's left? brawling? please! Psylocke may be nimble but neither her nor Light has the "oomph" to scratch my Super Synthezoid in H2H
Think - "superdense prison cell" (without the gaps) so dense it can contain all forms of radiation, with an interior lining of forcefield to block any TK escape attempts.
1. His TK and TP are rendered useless before we begin
2. His laser attacks and whatnot only serve to charge me
3. I'm not taking a nap like SUperboy, so draining is out of the question
4. I have almost every physical advantage: Strength, reach, density shifting, reaction/reflexes,
5. Processing speed - Vision thinks way faster then anyone else here
OK. Dr. Light can fly fast, but he's no speedster, he doesn't fight like Quicksilver, he doesn't even fight as fast as Robin. His only option for survival is to remain in light form and run away, forfeiting the match.
During prep I shape shift to mimic the local surroundings and erect a force field around myself, he may be able to "see" invisible opponents (not sure) but I doubt he'll consider a tree, car or rock (don't know what the battleground is yet) to be a threat, which could give me the sneaky [email protected] attack that ends the match quickly.
I’m really excited about this amalgam, and this match. All four characters involved make for exciting and underused tourney combatants, so I want to start by extending some good will to Scoob – I think this is going to be a lot of fun.
Now, on to why I win ( ):
Before I get into tourney strategy, I think it’ll be helpful to talk about Psychadelic’s powerset. Psylocke’s had a pretty diverse list of powers over the years, so I’d like to clarify exactly what she’s bringing to the table here, and show how powerful a mesh she makes with Dr. Light.
I mean, Psychadelic is as fast as light, not ftl, but that means she’s as fast as the tourney cap. She has multiple OHKO attacks, and will happily use them to dismantle foes from the start of the match.
That brings me to:
In prep, I’m going to assume my photonic form (scans above), manifest my psychic knife, and make myself invisible using Dr. Light’s holograms. I will create three holographic illusions of myself, and will use them as targets for Scoob’s attacks.
From the start of the match, if Scoob is not intangible, I will simply stab him with my psychic knife. It has worked on multiple opponents with cybernetic physiology, most recently Arkea, a technological bacterium that was possessing Omega Sentinel.
Notably, the psychic knife was used to kill the technological bacterium, and only KO Omega Sentinel, per Betsy’s decision, demonstrating that it can explicitly kill technological minds. I feel that the Arkea-controlled Omega Sentinel is a suitable comparison to a half-Skrull, half-Vision amalgam.
If there are shields in the way, I am happy to drain them and become more powerful as a result:
Back to reaction speed: he processed over 4,000 variables in mere moments, then cross checked the result moments later.
So, in reference to this match, I can scan and evaluate your holograms in less than a second
Cool, but can you tell which rock, tree, cow, car, shrubbery, bystander, table, blah, blabidy, blah... is my guy? I'm not invisible, i'm mimicking the shape, colour and density of whatever is present in the surroundings... you have no idea who or what I am or even what I may or may not look like.. maybe I'm the floor, T2 style
Can't find me, can't target me, even if you could, you can't penetrate my psi-blocking shield
Light drains GL shields because they are MADE OF LIGHT. Super Skrull's -invisible- shields have no light-like properties whatsoever
I dealt with this in my write-up, to recap -Superboy was unconscious at the time, Droidtastic isn't.
Also, still need to see some evidence of draining while in photonic form, seems like he can only do it when he's solid and has a few seconds to concentrate.
You are a dirty, dirty, liar - as proven above!
Seriously though, your speed is not "combat useful", your little telepathetic butter knife can't touch me through my shielding and any focused radiation attack only amps me
[*]You can't find me
[*]You can't hurt me physically or mentally
[*]You can't trick my ultra-sophisticated sensors
[*]You can't out-think or out-react me
Psychodicklick to Droidtastic = a mosquito to a human
Trying to drain what he can't hurt, but if he stops too long he gets swatted
If he does try to get inside my shields or cruise by for more than a fraction of a second, he'd getting hypnotised to power down and have his everything ripped apart from his everything else:
The Thing - It's not TP, it's more like willpower draining if he can take the Thing's will, he can take anyone's.
So, again - I truly believe my esteemed opponent has nothing I can't handle, whereas he only has the option to play it safe and try to avoid me in order to survive. Or to put it simply - he has to run away.
First I’m going to refute Scoob’s defenses against my psychic powers. Second, I’m going to take advantage of some assumptions he makes about my light powers.
Third, I’m going to press my advantage and win!
Here we go:
Scoob raises three basic defenses against my Psychadelic’s telepathy and telekinesis: a) android mind, b) Super Skrull shields, and c) intangibility.
I don’t believe any of these are adequate:
Here’s the problem: Scoobless’ amalgamation takes advantage of Super Skrull’s unique physiology. In his opening post, he relies on Skrull shapeshifting, and obviously all of Kl’rts Fantastic-Faux powers.
There’s another power Scoob hasn’t mentioned though: Hypnotism.
My assertion is: If your amalgam has Skrull physiology, that includes the Skrull mind meld that we see up above. It’s not full blown telepathy, but it is an amateur form, and I sincerely doubt that he can have that power and be immune to telepathy.
Of the listed options for considering weaknesses in amalgamations, Scoob’s skrull-droid mind would benefit if we had chosen Option 3… but we chose Option 2. And while Scoob’s scan backs up Vision not being susceptible to subtle telepathy, that’s not the same thing as having a specific, active defense against telepathy, such as a built-in psi-shield, or Emma Frost’s diamond form.
Additional reasons that his android mind doesn’t protect him:
Fair enough, I won’t use telepathic illusions against him. Holographic illusions and telepathic mind-rape are all still on the table though.
Telepathy affects androids too!
In Whedon’s run on Astonishing, it was revealed that Xavier could hear Danger’s thoughts long before the X-Men realized she was sentient.
I already showed that Psylocke shut down both Omega Sentinel, who has technopathy and an android body, and Arkea, a technological bacterium, in one attack. It’s worth noting that she’s also recently shut down Fantomex, whose brain is filled with nanites and psi-shielding, and who possesses a techno-organic nervous system, as well as Meme/Hope Summers’ sentient data form in one attack.
There’s other absurd examples. Supposedly Esme Cuckoo once mind-controlled a taxi. The point is: a mind’s still a mind, even if it’s not an organic one.
Vision’s the same as we are!
Driving the above point home, when Vision first appeared in ’68, the following was stated in Avengers 57:
“… every inch a human being – except that all of his bodily organs are constructed of synthetic materials.” (stolen – but cited! – from Wiki).
The organs are all there, ready to be busted apart in a mind blast, or a psy-knife to the cerebrum. Synthetic, but Psylocke’s proved that don’t matter.
Conclusion: Whether it’s shutting down the Skrull part of his brain, or the whole Skrull-droid blend, Psychadelic has his number.
b. Super-Skrull’s shields
OK, before I get started here: my assumption, which I will back up in my light-powers section, is that any shields Scoob raises get immediately drained, and just make me stronger.
Regardless, I’d like to respond to this:
Well… my pretty sure it’s not my job to prove that Super Skrull’s shields aren’t like Invisible Woman’s, but rather Scoob’s job to prove that they are the same, including in the details.
That said, plenty of proof exists that the Skrull’s haven’t perfected the art of replicating powers. There are both quotes and obvious power disparities littered throughout the Secret Invasion event that back up this notion.
Further, the true nature of Invisible Woman’s powers, including the specific cosmic energy she manipulates (the same that governs Celestials?) wasn’t known to Reed, iirc, until long after Super Skrull’s first appearance. If Reed didn’t know how Sue’s powers worked, and how truly powerful she was, I doubt the Skrull’s did…
Emma’s telepathy goes right through Sue’s shield, and f*cks up her brain.
The Jean Grey that appeared in Scoob’s scandidn’t have telepathy at the time (she was unaware tho), and wouldn’t regain telepathy until much later.
As for his Psi-Lord scans, it’s great that Sue blocks a mindblast, but that’s not the same thing as long distance telepathy.
Conclusion: Shields won’t shield against me.
This is quick:
When Vision goes intangible, he still has mass, and still touches things, even if he goes through them.
This obviously isn’t a defense against telepathy, and further, Psylocke’s telekinetic blade stuns whatever it touches [scans provided in OP]. No reason this would be untrue just because he’s reduced his mass.
Conclusion: I can still affect him with both TK and TP.
Also, while I’m on the topic
These scans contradict each other : If Vision can be wholely or partially intangible at any moment, then why do we assume his head was intangible while he was attempting to use his powers in the first scan? It seems more likely that the only part of him that was intangible was his torso.
Relevant, because the moment Scoob turns corporeal to attack me, he gets mind-fried, or drained.
Scoob thought he could get past my psychic assault.
The Light Show
I said I wanted to take advantage of some of Scoob’s assumptions.
First, he assumes that his shields will be effective, but we’ve seen Dr. Light drain the shields and constructs of top tier Green Lanterns [scans in first post].
Here, he manipulates the magic of Wonder Girl’s lasso (I messed up the URL of this scan in the first post, sorry!):
”Fast. So fast Parasite didn’t have time to use his powers.
But slower than light.”
Scoobless is trying to play this off as sub-speed of sound, but the text is explicit. Even if Superman entered at a slower speed, we know he was moving extremely fast during this scan, but sub-C, and therefore prey to Light.
Finally, I’m happy to defeat three of Scoob’s assumptions in one swoop. He says I won’t be able to drain Vision, because he won’t be standing still. He claims I can’t operate at high speeds. He further claims I can’t use powers while in photonic form.
So Juggernaut isn't considered immune because he's affected by Onslaught, trans-tier telepath...
but Vision holds up against some old fart's hypnosis and Scoob kneels before him.
Basically, everything I already said still applies: This shows somebody being unable to give Vision telepathic commands, which is different than plunging my psy-knife through his skull.
It's also just not even a telepath remotely on Psylocke's calibre. Psylocke has done telepathic battle with Shadow King and Cassandra Nova. At best, this is a no limits fallacy.
Finally, this ignores Super Skrull's own weakness to telepathy.
Particularly ironic: Scoob claims to be immune to hypnosis here (as per the scan), and then, in the same post, claims to use hypnosis to beat me...
Fine, have it your way.
Judges, Droidtastic attempts to mindmeld with Psychadelic.
You can't have it both ways, Scoob. Just like Emma Frost and Sage both need to completely remove their telepathy in order to be immune to it, you can't make a tactic to mindf*ck with me while claiming to be immune to mindf*ckery.
Note, in the second scan, that the blade shuts down Wolverine's mind, and 'only the animal remains'. Pretty impressive, because Xavier and Emma have both been kept out of Logan's mind in the past when he wants them out. Also, further proof that, even if Vision is immune, I can shut down the Skrull part of his brain.
This is the beauty of an amalgamation. Dr. Light may have slower reactions when he's out of his photonic form, so it's a really good thing that he's paired with a mindreader who reacts on instinct...
There's no reason for me to leave my photonic form, but she has lightspeed movements combined with top tier ninja training to return to lightform at the speed of C.
Literally giving me a gap a thousand times bigger than I need to kill you.
Lol, did you miss the part where I explained that Dr. Light can see every kind of energy?
You can shapeshift all you want, you still have Vision's solar gem, and Kl'rts fire powers, and you're standing still. I drain you within the moment the match starts.
Sure they do. They're still energy. They just have no properties on the visible spectrum... but that's childs play to Dr. Light.
He can manipulate god's magic because it's still energy, he can drain Super Skrull's shields.
Although I'm equally happy to just go through them. The shields are invisible, so by definition let light through.
The Ray begs to differ.
All right, so the match as I see it:
Painting a Psychadelic Picture
Scoob's conceded three key points:
I'm WAY, WAY, WAY faster than him.
Super Skrull just doesn't have the speed to keep up in this match. Dr. Light has feats of tagging a blitzing a Superman out of the air, and of catching up to, and draining The Ray.
The Ray has feats of moving fast enough to time travel. Legit speedster.
Additionally, Psychadelic has literal lifetimes of ninja training, bullet timing feats, and scans that prove she reacts upon instinct. It just so happens that she now has lightspeed instincts.
Scoob starts out unphased.
... so he's going to start out looking like a tree (which I will easily detect, given both my psychic abilities and the fact that he's still housing some bright power sources on his person), and he will only go intangible if his shields prove ineffective.
Meanwhile, he's explained that he's going to use the opening second of the match determining whether any of my holograms are the real deal.
The match will be over before he finished his calculations. I drained the Ray in a panel, and his power source eclipses Vision's.
Alternatively, psyknife KO.
He is going to attempt hypnosis
Again, please, just try it. Psylocke took it to Cassandra Nova:
Incidentally, your hypnosis failed to work on Sasquatch. I think Psylocke will be OK.
Additionally, Scoob has yet to counter that light can easily pass through his shields. I will win this at a distance, via energy drain, or in melee, with my OHKO psychic weapons.
Vision's mind does not provide Skrull a defense to psychic attacks, as per our amalgam rules, and Scoob has yet to prove it blocking out somebody of Psylocke's caliber- who has shut down machines before.
Finally, Scoobless has no attacks that can harm me. His physical attacks will go through my photonic form, his energy attacks will be absorbed by me, his shields cannot contain me, and his hypnosis will just let me into his mind.
I've shown a couple of scans already of Vision being immune.
1. Omega Sentinels = part human = they have animal brains
2. Fantomex = part human (mutant) = has an organic brain
3. Controlling a Taxi? = retarded (sorry)
4. Has Psylocke ever controlled a 100% artificial machine?
5. Why do the X-Men sweat when Sentinels show up? Can't Xavier, Jean, Emma, etc, just take control of them? I think we all already know the answer - telepaths can't control machines!
Despero >>> Psylocke
About the rules:
Weaknesses are carried into the amalgam, but so are strengths that can shore up those weaknesses.
The problem is the way you are trying to define "weakness":
By saying "Super Skrull doesn't have an android brain, so Vision's android immunity doesn't carry" is EXACTLY like me saying "Psylocke has no ability to survive as a photonic being" or "Nico could be killed by a bullet, so Nova's durability can't protect her"
Lack of power/strength is not the same as specific weakness. We should not be expected to ignore one characters strength simply because the second character doesn't share it.
That 47 year old hyperbole doesn't really hold up..
Reed Richards didn't even know his WIFE was a Skrull, NOBODY knew Pym was a Skrull and there were many, many others.
Superman is looking right at Light throughout that encounter, clearly indicating he can still see him. Also, MM is looking directly at the fire. Only Batman is rendered “blind”
Changing the visible spectrum only helps if the intended victim is limited to a narrow spectrum. Vision is not limited and his "visible" spectrum extends across all electromagnetism (as I showed earlier)
They are both flying, sure, there's no way to tell how fast and only your interpretation to say they are in light form. Light is fully capable of flying when solid and he shows none of his usual characteristics of photonic existence in this scan.
Also, just because someone is capable of light-speed, does not mean they are always moving that fast. Flash and Superman are always getting hit by slower guys and they are legit speedsters, unlike Dr Light.
Once again, Dr Light is drawing light energy from something / someone who is emitting huge amounts of it (just like GL constructs)
Furthermore: IF Doc Light could, or has opportunity to, drain some of my energy, there would still be no reason to assume it would be a KO. There's a lot more to Droidtastic than stored energy: without laser beams I still have speed, strength, phasing, forcefields, stretchiness, hypnosis, durability, etc, etc.... My radiation proof prison wouldn't be affected and I can still hypnotise you into powering down (or charging me up)
Superboy was KOd before the drain took place, and there's nothing more to the Ray than his light energy.
When Light really goes into his "light form" he looks all wispy and weird:
That last one is interesting, if Light is the king of all types of energy, why not just absorb it? --- Because he isn't! he can't! and he's not fast enough to do it!
He is definitely not "immune" to energy attacks, nor is he capable of avoiding them even when there he has a moment to consider it
The Evidence shows that control of another person's will does NOT have to be the result of telepathy. Human therapists and stage performers have been using hypnosis for decades without the aid of psionic superpowers.
Hypnosis is not telepathy!
My opponent seeks to use trickery, in the form of holograms, in an attempt to distract or confuse my amalgam:
You are correct about one thing; Vision CAN look along all of those spectrums (and more)
My opponent has, correctly, realised he can not compete physically with Droidtastic, he lacks the strength, stamina, durability or any offensive power that could harm this magnificent amalgam.
The problem, then, comes from the fact that there is a huge amount of doubt over whether he can use ANY powers while in his photonic form.
He is attempting to drain my solar reserves in the same manner Dr. Light once drained Superboy. Over the course of this match it has been debated back and forth if such an attack could:
A) work against a conscious foe
B) be possible while Light is in photonic form.
The opposition has entered a scan showing the draining of The Ray.
I do not believe this resolves the issue, as the Ray's light energy bleeds out of him and is easily locked onto by someone like Dr Light.
It takes Light 4-5 panels to extract heat vision from a barely conscious Superboy, and he is solid the entire time, just as he was solid when he drained energy from the Ray.
Do you choose to believe that Dr. Light...
i)As a solid entity
ii)Taking that long to Drain the solar energy from the Vision aspect of my amalgam
iii)With his extremely limited durability (as I've covered in prior posts)
iv) attempting to drain Droidtastic THROUGH his invisible shields
...could survive a physical assault from the Super Skrull OR The Vision, let alone a combination of the two?
So... he lost his heat ray (which I wasn't even using) he is still seen flying around, indicating his density powers are just fine. In the case of this match it wouldn't affect the majority of Super Skrull's powers either, and after it's done the ambient light/heat will begin restoring those abilities immediately.
Simply put: I can't lose - going by the evidence, it is not physically possible.
I can, however, win! Even if my opponent remains incorporeal, I have avenues of attack, using hypnosis, shields or my extreme density cage.
This may turn into a waiting game, a test of stamina if you will, and in that instance I'd bet on the logical, untiring, calculating android over the emotional, fatigued, frustrated human every single time.
However, judging by his history, Dr. Light he does not tend to stay intangible for extreme lengths of time, he tends to want to mix it up and get physical, he enjoys hurting people and to do that he needs to solidify himself and that is when he will make his fatal mistake.
OK, I’ve grouped the telepathy argument into the following categories:
Psylocke and machines
The Amalgamation issue
1. Vision’s Vulnerability
First we get a no-limits fallacy, when you claimed that the old hag’s ‘subtle telepathy’ was comparable to Psylocke.
Now we get some classic ABC logic, where you compare Vision to the Red Tornado, and Despero to Psylocke.
Judges, do I even need to point out that this is from a different universe? Marvel’s telepathy works along an electromagnetic spectrum – unlike DC’s. Telepathy in Marvel makes way more sense to be able to access electronic beings, whereas Despero’s telepathy comes from his mystic third eye… or something.
Also, T. O. Morrow created Red Tornado, and his soul is a primal elemental.
Vision, meanwhile, has brain patterns based on a list of real human minds: Wonder Man, Alex Lipton, Iron Lad (the current one, which Scoob has drafted).
Not an elemental, not an emotionless robot mind (see Nimrods, Danger, and Arkea – all of whom have been susceptible to telepathy), but actual human brain patterns.
One story, Vision Quest, had Vision lose his human brain patterns, and he was chalk-white, emotionless, and, between you and me, looked a lot more like the Vision in Scoob’s scan… Makes way more sense for THAT version to have a stronger telepathic resistance.
Later on, Vision regains those human brain patterns, and since then has a brand new brain – Iron Lad (young Kang!). And... no scans of immunity in this form.
You’ve shown Vision resisting ‘subtle telepathy’, AKA some mental nudging from an old hag. You’ve also shown a chalk-white Vision being immune to take-over from a ‘digitized consciousness’ through eye contact… I’m not even sure that second scan is relevant.
Neither feat provides a basis for a claim that Vision is immune to a psychic knife to the skull. He has human brain patterns, synthetic organs, and, in this case, he’s merged with a skrull.
Let’s not stop there though! How about proof that Vision is susceptible to psychic attacks:
Ultron uses a psychic blast against Avengers/Fantastic Four/Vision:
”Still how could you ever forget him who twice stole your mind the way I’ve stolen these others today”
And before anybody claims that what Ultron is doing is different than a telepathic attack – let’s watch Ultron’s psychic ray not only work in exactly the same fashion as an X-Man mindrape, but further actually interact with telepathy. Finally, in the following scans we see that Ultron himself is susceptible to mind reading.
So even against mutant hunting machines from thousands of years in the future, and an alternate timeline where they dominated the planet: Psylocke can still detect their mental presence.
Obviously Vision has nothing on those Nimrods, especially when it comes to psi-shielding (because killing mutants is what Nimrods were built for), but it’s worth noting that even they register a mental signal.
3. The Amalgamation Problem
The following examples was used when discussing the rules:
Superman/non-kryptonian would still be vulnerable to kryptonite. You weren’t able to ignore the weakness simply because one half of the amalgam was not vulnerable to kryptonite.
Superman/Radioactive Man would not be vulnerable to kryptonite, because he is specifically able to affect radiation. Presumably this becomes untrue if the opponent has greater radiation control than Radioactive Man does.
In the same way, Vision/organic mind should still be vulnerable to telepathy. You are not able to ignore the weakness simply because one half of the amalgam has some sketchy showings of resistance.
Organic mind/Professor X would not be vulnerable to telepathy, because Professor X is specifically able to affect telepathy. Presumably this becomes untrue if the opponent has greater radiation control than Professor X does.
This isn’t even touching on how Scoob wants to use a mental attack from one half of his amalgam, but also claim that his amalgam is immune to mental attacks. As we saw with Ultron, once that link is open, it can be exploited:
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”The agony in my blood is subsiding somewhat but still my mind remains in turmoil.
Perhaps if I can free you of the madness that clouds your reason your human mind can give me some of the answers I seek.”
What you're trying to use is a mental attack, and requires Droidtastic's psyche to transmit/directly lie to Psychadelic's. And, if their minds are communicating, I'll just exploit the opportunity to shut Droidtastic down.
Lastly, the hypnotism isn’t exactly a proven technique:
The second scan, the one that he posts as ‘proof’ that Super Skrull’s hypnotism is effective? It’s explicitly a fake-out by Sasquatch, who plays possum until the moment that he can surprise attack Super Skrull.
So Kl’rts vaunted hypnotism is going to work against Psylocke, who has resisted the likes of Cassandra Nova and the Shadow King, even though it’s completely ineffective against Sasquatch of all people. Lol.
Telepathy is a critical issue here. Specifically:
Is Vision immune to telepathy? Well, he hasn’t shown it. He’s resisted subtle telepathy, and he’s resisted a digitized consciousness, but neither of those are what I’m attempting here.
He also has a mind that’s based on human brain patterns, and none of his resistance feats are from his current incarnation.
Further, Ultron, the guy who made Vision, is a big fan of psychic attacks, and he’s used them to great effectiveness against Vision.
Lastly, Ultron himself has proven susceptible to telepathy.
Can Psylocke affect machines? Well, she’s done it before. Most recently in her career, she’s punked MeMe, a sentient data form, and she’s killed Arkea, a technological bacterium.
Psylocke doesn’t need to control machines, or read their minds- though both have been done in comics before. All she needs to do is use her psychic knife to overload any consciousness that’s there, organic or synthetic.
How does the amalgam weaken Droidtastic? Well, because one mind is synthetic and the other organic, ‘immunities’ don’t cross over, as per the Superman/Non-Kryptonian example.
Further, Scoobless can’t attempt a mental attack on Psychadelic while expecting himself to be immune to mental attacks. Unfortunately Emma Frost, Sage, and even Ultron have all proven that attempting psychic attacks makes your own person vulnerable.
Now, for the Dr. Light end of things:
Scoob claims the following:
3. Dr. Light will be stopped by invisible shields
4. Draining Droidtastic will not be a KO
5. Dr. Light cannot attack while in light form
4. Droid’s shields ain’t stopping nothing
This is a quick one.
To recap, I showed a scan explaining that someone who can exist as any lightform can pass through shields that allow light through:
Scoob has since thrown a lot against the wall to see if anything will stick:
… none of which has the properties of visible light.
Lasers are cool, but often concussive, and clearly a different wavelength than the light that travels to our eyeballs and allows us to see.
He’s also posted this:
… but none of THIS is from Super Skrull
Scoob has successfully proven that there are shields in comics that can block characters like Monica and Dr. Light. This is useless to his argument though. I’m sure all the judges and myself would say “Yes, powerful enough tech, magic, etc could create a field that Dr. Light could not get through”.
That’s not important for the battle though.
Even if Scoob had, say, Magneto, he could make a solid argument: Magneto can modulate the frequency of his shields, and could probably prevent someone like Monica from repeating the trick she used in my scan.
Super Skrull can’t modulate shit though.
So, despite the repeated attempts from Scoob, he’s certainly not going to prove that Skrull’s shields can keep visible light trapped inside of them.
5. Drainin’ Droids
Well, it looks like Scoob conceded this point:
Great! So we all agree that Vision will get drained.
Why stop there though?
Just like Dr. Light stole Superboy’s heat vision, I’ll take Droidtastic’s flame abilities! I’ll also drain the power from all of his circuitry. Finally, I’ll take away any of his invisible shielding powers, and the energy from his brain. Why not go the whole nine yards?
After all, if I can dray the Ray in instants, Droidtastic’s limited energy supplies won’t stand a chance. I’ll drain him all the way to a KO.
There is nothing to show Vision EVER being influenced by a flesh and blood telepath.
Mantis could also telepathically communicate with plants, split herself into multiple simulacra bodies and see the future. Her powers are bizarre, definitely not "just" a telepath. She is the "Celestial Madonna"
"Arkea is a sentient bacterium born over a billion years ago as one of the first forms of life on Earth alongside her brother, Sublime."
She is capable of controlling machines, but she is a biological life form.
"No minds as such... a kind of sentience"
Maybe it was the Nimrods, maybe it was Mastermold she sensed, either way, it's just a general feeling, nothing specific, certainly nothing she can affect telepathically... The X-men were getting their sh!t pushed in in that fight, Namor was the only one not getting instantly pummelled.
It seems there are varying interpretations.
Vision is specifically resistant to telepathy, that is why I drafted him
Yup, Hypnosis is not telepathy.
Nope, just showing the Vision himself stating he is "immune to all forms of mental takeover."
He's talking about calming him down and relieving the pain of transforming with broken bones. No subterfuge here.
Organic, sure (which I'm not)
Synthetic? debateable... but more importantly, even if a TK blade can penetrate invisible shields (which I doubt) how would you know which part of me to target? Even looking like a person, Vision's entire body is a machine, I doubt a headshot would be enough to "switch him off"
Then there's the fact that I shapeshifted into an object - meaning you wouldn't know where the "head" even is.
Furthermore, Vision's body, isn't exactly ... a "body", not anymore:
So even the luckiest strike you could make could still only take out a fraction of the nanites that compose my form.
But I seriously doubt the little psiblade is getting through my shielding, or if it comes to it, touching my phased form.
Monica Rambeau has many showings of remodulating herself, Dr. Light has none. She is his better and she has failed to pass through a variety of transparent shielding many times over (as shown earlier)
Lasers are nothing more than focused light.
Actually, what I said was that I would imprison you within a cage made from Droidtastic's elasticated body at maximum, radiation proof, density, and line the interior with a forcefield to block TK abilities
I’m going to use this post to describe how I see the match as a whole, and then hammer home the specific points that I think are decisive in this match.
Overview: What does this all look like?
OK, so we have Scoob’s admittedly awesome looking android up against a telepathic, telekinetic lightspeed* ninja with significant energy manipulation and draining skills, and with a lightsaber of mindf*ck.
* The evidence is posted, but a recap, because I know Scoob continues to contend this point: we’ve seen Arthur exist as light, zoom around a school while in light form, catch up to a speeding light-hero, and tag a speeding Superman. Scoob can obviously try and battle each individual scan, but the implications are strong enough, I feel, to basically make their own case. Dr. Light is absolutely a speedster.
There’s a couple beautiful outcomes of my mesh that I’d like to draw attention to. The first is reflexes.
Psylocke is a ninja with training to react on her instincts. Dr. Light has lightspeed movements, but no combat training. Again, the implication is clear: Psychadelic can react without thinking, using lightspeed instincts.
Frankly, neither Super Skrull nor Vision has super speed, and probably couldn’t tag Psylocke by herself. There’s just no hope of tagging lightspeed Psylocke in this match.
The second outcome that I’d like to look at is power array.
I realize that Scoob and I have talked at length about Psychadelic’s ability to use telekinesis, telepathy, her psychic weapons, holograms, energy draining, light transformation…
What I wanted to focus on is: Psychadelic’s powers are all used simultaneously.
Just as Psylocke and Dr. Light have both managed diverse, changing, powerful powersets throughout their careers, Psychadelic is going to effectively multitask through each of these powerful offensive measures. Scoob, against each of these prongs, has done his best to throw together a convincing countermeasure, but I think that the weakness in his defenses compounds when we consider that he would be forced to simultaneously contend with each of my attacks.
The Sticking Points
Recap: Scoob has offered multiple responses to telepathic attack, but nothing of significant quality.
We’ve been given a defense built on a no-limits fallacy. Vision once claimed to be immune to ‘mental takeover’, in response to a digital attack, and on a separate occasion was told that he was immune to ‘subtle telepathy’. Neither of those throwaway pieces of dialogue provides a defense against Psylocke’s attack.
Scoob would then like to have us believe that androids are immune to telepathy as an unwritten rule. This ignores a history of telepaths and robots interacting, which includes: Psylocke shutting down a digital consciousness, Psylocke detecting Nimrods with her telepathy, and Psylocke killing a technological bacterium with her psyblade.
Also: Xavier detecting Danger’s thoughts, Emma Frost recently telepathically interacting with Unit, or Mantis entering Ultron’s mind with telepathy.
Scoob used Red Tornado as a defense, despite RT being a DC character, and a totally different android. RT has an elemental for a soul, and was created by T. O. Morrow. Vision, on the other hand, is consistently based on human brain patterns, experiences real emotion, and was created by Ultron, who utilizes psychic attacks, and has had telepathy used against/on him.
Lastly, if it’s an issue of overcoming telepathic shields of any sort: Psylocke has used her knife on Juggernaut, Cassandra Nova, Wolverine… the list goes on, and all have better defined immunity than Vision does.
Scoob has admitted that this could be a viable tactic against him, and has attempted to counter by claiming that: Psychadelic can’t pull it off while moving, and it wouldn’t count as a KO.
The first was proved outright false when Dr. Light caught up to a speeding Ray and drained him of his power.
The second is just silly. Scoob has argued that because Dr. Light didn’t use that tactic against Cyborg, he won’t use it against Droidtastic… but I’m in control here, and we’ve seen Dr. Light steal all of Superboy’s heat vision. We’ll happily take the Droidtastic’s solar gem, flame and force field powers, and then the power from its circuits.
Lastly, this is still a completely viable option to use against force fields. If any judges still have doubts about my ability to simply pass through Scoob’s constructs, remember that Dr. Light gleefully drained an entire Oa made out of Green Lantern construct energy. He’s done this to top tier energy manipulators, including Ray, who has awesome feats of power. Droidtastic is, in this respect, small potatoes.
I know that I talked about this already, but I want to emphasize: even if Dr. Light has slightly-less-than-lightspeed-reactions (depending on how you view that pretty clear Superman scan):
It’s still way, way, wayyyyyy faster than Super-Skrull.
This entire match has been about nitpicking at whether or not my attacks against Scoob will each be absolutely effective. We’ve discussed at length Scoob’s individual sketchy defenses against each offensive measure.
Scoob, meanwhile, has claimed he’s going to… trap me in a box? Lol, a) not a method of victory, if he has to constantly spend power to basically keep a wall between us, b) not effective, I’ll drain him, c) never going to happen because my speed advantage is simply insurmountable.
The debate has been about determining how Droidtastic will die, and how many seconds he’ll hold Psychadelic off for, before she wins.