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Grand Finale - abhilegend vs Scoobless

Rules

Power Level & Format: 2-character amalgam. Low Herald each.

Post Limit: 5

CIS & PIS is OFF!: We are drafting 2 characters, and its abilities. You the participant take ownership of how said characters & abilities will be realized in combat.

Character Knowledge: Contestants are fully aware the characters drafted, including its history, and weaknesses.
Also the Amalgam can use powers as good as the originals.

Amping Rules: Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)

Note: Amping is a state of empowerment fueled by some source source, that increases a characters physical prowess or ability.

Banned: Power Unlock. Going forward No form of amping, or power unlock will be allowed.

Tech Creation & Non-Autonomous Constructs/Summons: Low Herald limit.

No you can not summon an entire realm or dimension.

Interchanging Feats: You are in control of the character, but you are also confined to what that character has accomplished historically.

You can't borrow feats from someone else, even if your similar characters.

Example:
X-Man can not Borrow Feats Cable.
G.L. Hal can not Borrow Feats from G.L. John.


Prep: You are given time to raise shields. Otherwise NO prep time.
Clarification: Only traditional shields are allowed during prep (as in repelling external forces). Cloaking, masking, or shielding your presence are NOT allowed during prep.


Creating gear can only take place in the heat of battle, after the bell has rung.

TP: Low Herald

Speed: Up to lightspeed.

Banned Powers: Reality Warp, Time Manip., Duplication, Power Copying, Autonomous Constructs (tech or magic), Memory Retention

Note: Space Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, and the Speed Force is allowed provided that the drafted characters are low herald and below.

Functional Immortals are Banned: Functional immortals such as Lobo, Mr. Immortal, Deadpool are disallowed or voided.


Standard Gear Rule Character comes in with what he is historically known for caring.

Non standard gear must be created you NOT grab it from your lab, and equip yourself with it.

BFR BFR is banned.

Self BFR is only good for phasing.

Good for 1 second. [/B]
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Match Start: September 23
Match Ends: October 10 (8:00 am US Central Time)

abhilegend: Magneto + Jade + Starhawk
Scoobless: Enchantress + Pre 52 Jay Garrick + Brit
Location: Earth - Roman Colosseum
Judges: One_Angry_Scot, Digi, Blair Wind, Bently, Prof. T.C McAbe


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abhilegend

Ok, guys and girls. Here we go.


Ok, my three picks are Jade, Magneto and Starhawk and I chose amalgam of all three.

First, I'll raise Jade's famous shields.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_7.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...lds_10.jpg.html

And then will raise Magneto's equally famous shields which have never been broken.

Attacks from Phoenix?

http://i.imgur.com/FqQqBvg.jpg

Nukes?

http://i.imgur.com/3PXDgwv.jpg

No problem.

Attacks from Thor and She-Hulk? No problem.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23918240/8.jpg.html

Blast that's shockwave nearly koed Thor are blocked by a hasty, thin force field.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23918243/10.jpg.html

Now, I've chosen Starhawk as the third character. For those who don't know about the character, he's like Firestorm that two characters share the same body i.e. Skatar and Aleta. Sometimes Skatar dominates the combination and sometimes Aleta's does. Feats from both are totally viable as they are the half of the same character. Just like Firestorm.

Now, I will raise shields of Starhawk which absorb and go stronger everytime they are attacked.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24120823/17.jpg.html

They were able to hold with someone who had the entire power of Korvac.

And now I go lightspeed instantly. As fast Jay is, he has to take time to go even near lightspeed and he can't go lightspeed at all.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15238828/FTL.jpg.html

There I went instant lightspeed and even beyond when blitzing. Blitzing at lightspeed is nothing compared to that.

Also I have the nifty power to know all you will do even before the match starts as I've the power and knowledge of One Who Knows.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...oknows.jpg.html

Essentially, I know every attack you are going to use because my future selves have already done it and I can use that knowledge as they are al connected to me.

So, I'm essentially untouchable here with my shields and the knowledge I already have.

Let the fun begin.


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Scoobless

The Final

My Trimalagam will consist of:

Amora, The Enchantress
Jay Garrick, The Flash
Brit, The Guy You Never Heard Of


Last round I went for pure versatility, and it paid off (in a split decision) So this time around, instead of loading up on exotic powers in the hopes that something will stick *coughmagnetojadestarhawkcough* I'm going to be keeping things a little more simple, impenetrable defence, undetectable stealth and unrelenting, herald smashing, attacks.

Brit

First off, as the scales of tourneys can easily be tipped by lack of knowledge of the characters being used *looks at Digi and Raven* I feel I should fill the judges (and spectators) in a little on Brit.

Brit is old, not ageless or immortal, but old, roughly 120 years old, his powers slow his ageing. He became a soldier during World War One and has been in the military more or less ever since. His powers are simple; he ages slow, he doesn't tire out and he doesn't get hurt. By anything.

That's it - Invulnerability - no super strength, speed, blasts, tk, tp, none of it, just invulnerability. Now I don't mean "invulnerable" like Colossus or the Thing are invulnerable, they are just highly durable. Brit is "invulnerable" in the truest sense.

  1. Nuclear Bomb1
  2. Nuclear bomb 2
  3. Nuclear bomb 3

  4. Chemical weapons

  5. INVINCIBLE (who was being controlled)

  6. Electricity (Becky, the same "person" who took out Invincible)

  7. Another nuclear explosion 1
  8. Another nuclear explosion 2
  9. Another nuclear explosion 3

I can go on and on with instances of him being shot, stabbed, blown up, crushed, hit by a train, in a plane crash, exotic energy beams, life drains, gas attacks.... you get the idea, this boy don't break.

So Brit is invulnerable, it's a great defence, but how is that going to help win the match? Well, if you have a club that will never break, it may take a while, but you could eventually use it to break through a concrete wall, now accelerate that club to virtually the speed of light, throw a little asgardian muscle behind it and you've got yourself a hell of a wrecking ball:

Check this out


So a supertough, superstrong guy like Invincible can't even dent those tin cans, but Brit's body, given sufficient momentum/force can smash right through them.

Jay Garrick, The Flash

This dude is fast, like, wicked fast. I feel confident in stating that he brings a level of speed to this match that nobody on Abhi's team even comes close to. Sure, he's got a couple of intersteller types who can fly really fast in a straight line, but between Magneto, Jade and Starhawk, are there any high end speed feats? even a single "bullet time" feat? What is their standard? below Batman/Cap level reactions? probably significantly below those guys. I will provide feats during the match to support this, but technical difficulties are keeping me from those scans right now (some of which I stole directly from Leo's usage in my previous match, so go have a look there if you need the scans immediately)

Amora, The Enchantress

Magic. If you've been following the tourney you will have seen that she's quite useful at mind control and stealth, She also brings a decent level of offensive power and strength that, when combined with Flash level speed, will be devastating to my opponent.

Here's a few of the many options I can cycle through at super-speed

  1. Able to kill the Hulk (in one shot)

  2. Can magically blind Ahbi's senses

  3. Can hypnotise with a look...
  4. ... or without line of sight
  5. ... or from half a world away

  6. Creating a kick-ass magic sword
  7. and using it to defeat Nightmare in his own realm

  8. Can paralyse with a gesture
  9. Trapping machines, mystics and speedsters alike
  10. even freezing other gods

  11. Can floor Thor with a single blast
  12. ...and again
  13. ...and again (again)
  14. and she like to brag about it too

  15. Burning the face right off of an elder goddess (Hela)
  16. That's a mean woman


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Like I said, I'm keeping it simple. My defence is that I'm next to impossible to hit at Flash speeds and even IF I did get hit, I'm just going to shrug them off like bugs on a train windshield.

Abhi opted for city sized green shields last time around, the problem with those is they are not practical for battle, they don't wrap around the body and they don't even let your own energy out for attacks. If he tries to "shield stack" he would have to prove his own energy bypassing his own shielding, which would only point out their weaknesses.

Starhawk's ability to "see the future" is not actually that, and he has been hit/defeated many times.
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As for my own strategy, it goes like this: Dump Jay's helmet, enter the match, accelerate to top speed, become invisible, make my opponent seem to be standing still and basically try out every attack option I have, including mind control, before he can do anything to retaliate. There are other attack options coming in future posts.

So that's it:

  1. I'm invulnerable
  2. He's my punching bag


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Originally posted by "Id"
The Final

My Trimalagam will consist of:

Amora, The Enchantress
Jay Garrick, The Flash
Brit, The Guy You Never Heard Of


Last round I went for pure versatility, and it paid off (in a split decision) So this time around, instead of loading up on exotic powers in the hopes that something will stick *coughmagnetojadestarhawkcough* I'm going to be keeping things a little more simple, impenetrable defence, undetectable stealth and unrelenting, herald smashing, attacks.


If you think this is chosen on random, you are falt out wrong. Just like always. But we'll fisrt see how that works.


quote:


First off, as the scales of tourneys can easily be tipped by lack of knowledge of the characters being used *looks at Digi and Raven* I feel I should fill the judges (and spectators) in a little on Brit.

Brit is old, not ageless or immortal, but old, roughly 120 years old, his powers slow his ageing. He became a soldier during World War One and has been in the military more or less ever since. His powers are simple; he ages slow, he doesn't tire out and he doesn't get hurt. By anything.

That's it - Invulnerability - no super strength, speed, blasts, tk, tp, none of it, just invulnerability. Now I don't mean "invulnerable" like Colossus or the Thing are invulnerable, they are just highly durable. Brit is "invulnerable" in the truest sense.


I can go on and on with instances of him being shot, stabbed, blown up, crushed, hit by a train, in a plane crash, exotic energy beams, life drains, gas attacks.... you get the idea, this boy don't break.


Blah, blah, blah. First thing, Brit isn't truly invulnerable. Just like everyone else in comics. He has been hurt by simple attacks before. Like here where he cried in pain by a simple boot to the guts.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...gv0ufo.jpg.html

Or even koed here.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...93-000.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...63-000.jpg.html


And you can tank nukes? Good thing, I can fire blasts equivalent to stars exploding and so powerful that even LT takes notice.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198967/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198968/3.jpg.html

Or blasts powerful enough to stalemate Keeper (Silver Surfer with quantum bands).

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ands1a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ands1b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ands1c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ands1d.jpg.html

Or breaking a barrier which even mjolnir couldn't.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...shield.jpg.html

Brit might be invulnerable to nukes. He isn't invulnerable to stars exploding.

quote:
So Brit is invulnerable, it's a great defence, but how is that going to help win the match? Well, if you have a club that will never break, it may take a while, but you could eventually use it to break through a concrete wall, now accelerate that club to virtually the speed of light, throw a little asgardian muscle behind it and you've got yourself a hell of a wrecking ball:

Check this out
[list]

So a supertough, superstrong guy like Invincible can't even dent those tin cans, but Brit's body, given sufficient momentum/force can smash right through them.



Well, good thing is I am even faster than you and have a little trick which I already spread over the entire arena. Near absolute zero level cold. It saps away a Flash's momentum.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...HbFprR.png.html

It has already brought a running Jay to his knees.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...N7Lkun.jpg.html

So you have no momentum to do anything what you described.

quote:
Blah, blah, blah


You know I'm already faster than you. You know why? I can actually fight evenly with beings who always travel at faster than light speed instantenously.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198984/6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198985/7.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198986/9.jpg.html

I also have the advantage of knowing exactly where you are at every time. Which is a devastating thing to have against a Flash. Even Wally was taken down by such a tactic.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...-08-09.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...066-10.jpg.html

You stand no chance against me in speed.

quote:
Amora, The Enchantress

Magic. If you've been following the tourney you will have seen that she's quite useful at mind control and stealth, She also brings a decent level of offensive power and strength that, when combined with Flash level speed, will be devastating to my opponent.

Here's a few of the many options I can cycle through at super-speed

  1. Able to kill the Hulk (in one shot)


You know, here I bring the most devastating thing I have here. I can absorb anything you can throw at me. Just like Jade absorbed Power Ring's entire power.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199036/028_2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199037/028_3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199039/028_4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199040/028_5.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199035/028_1.jpg.html

Just like I absorbed all of starheart's chaotic magic.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631074/17.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631076/18-19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631078/20-21.jpg.html

You blast me, I'll drain you dry.

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Invalid as per new rules. No cloaking. Not that it matters. I have knowledge of Starhawk and I know exactly where you are all the time.

quote:


Meaningless. Not even a telepath like Mantis can sense me.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ntis1a.jpg.html

Not even Zatanna can breach my shields.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_6.jpg.html

There is nothing you can do here.
quote:
  • Useless. Not even Zauriel's magic sword can cut through my shields.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_5.jpg.html



    quote:
  • Meaningless. You have zero chances of breaking through my shields. Even Loki couldn't when it was reinforcing a novice magician shield which Loki could've broken easily. This is 616 Loki as he confirms beating Dr. Strange and is noted in footnote.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199054/17.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199055/18.jpg.html

    quote:


    No, really? If you do anything, you are just playing in my hands.

    ____________________________________

    quote:
    Like I said, I'm keeping it simple. My defence is that I'm next to impossible to hit at Flash speeds and even IF I did get hit, I'm just going to shrug them off like bugs on a train windshield.
    I seriously doubt it.

    quote:
    Abhi opted for city sized green shields last time around, the problem with those is they are not practical for battle, they don't wrap around the body and they don't even let your own energy out for attacks. If he tries to "shield stack" he would have to prove his own energy bypassing his own shielding, which would only point out their weaknesses.


    Haha, what? What kind of reasoning is this? They are my shields and I can make them so that only y attacks pass through them. Otherwise Green Lanterns would die everytime they blast and shatter their own auto shields.

    quote:
    Starhawk's ability to "see the future" is not actually that, and he has been hit/defeated many times.


    Haha, no. Have you even read about the character?
    quote:
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    As for my own strategy, it goes like this: Dump Jay's helmet, enter the match, accelerate to top speed, become invisible, make my opponent seem to be standing still and basically try out every attack option I have, including mind control, before he can do anything to retaliate. There are other attack options coming in future posts.

    So that's it:

    1. I'm invulnerable
    2. He's my punching bag


    Oh really? Your momentum is sapped, you are totally at my mercy if you use any magic, I can casually ko you with a star level blast etc.

    You have no offense or defense or any chance of winning.

    Good day.


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    post #1

    Amora, The Enchantress
    Jay Garrick, The Flash
    Brit, The Invulnerable Man


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    I mentioned Abhi's multiple shield strategy in my opening, and he obviously posted the scans again. Here's something to think on.

    Questions:

    1. Has Jade ever used that level of shielding in practical way (body wrap) that could be used in a fight?
    2. If these shields all block energy, how can one shield be projected above another?
    3. How can Abhi's energy attacks exit through his shields?
    4. Can Abhi's character even see through his own shields?
    5. If no energy can bypass Jade's shields, how has Abhi done anything other than imprison himself?


    Moving on

    Starhawk

    Not the first character that springs to mind when considering drafts, and not everyone is overly familiar with him (which can hurt your drafts if you don't show a lot of scans for him)

    He likes to refer to himself as "One who knows" Abhi is mistakenly interpreting this as Starhawk always knowing what will happen next, he doesn't. Starhawk has a pretty general idea of events due to past lives, but every action he takes moves his current life on to a different path from his previous lives, like turning left instead of right, it alters every action thereafter, and it is certainly not useful in battle as Starhawk gets hit by almost everyone.

    Here's a bunch of people smacking the old "one who knows" upside the head:

    1. Spider-Man
    2. Starlord
    3. Major Victory
    4. Pesky kids
    5. Hammer (or Anvil?... honestly don't know)
    6. Majory Victory again
    7. Some fat guy
    8. Those darned kids again
    9. Major Victory..... again
    10. "Taserface" ... lol


    So let's go ahead and call BS on any assumption of Starhawk having a cosmic spider-sense, the guy is a walking punching bag.

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    So now we've eliminated the assumption of prescience from the battle and highlighted the folly of trying to raise so many types of shields.

    I presented a few of Enchantress' attack options in my opening post which included a few types of magical energy blasts, now perhaps they wouldn't smash right through Magneto's shields in a couple of blasts, but over 1,000 blasts a second without giving Mag's a moment to reinforce them, they may well crumble.

    I'm ignoring Jade's and Starhawk's shields because:
    A) Jade has yet to prove she can use these shields in a battle situation
    B) Starhawk doesn't use shields, the scan Abhi provided was an attempt to contain an enemy, not shield himself.

    As for Magneto's shields, the only shields proven battle worthy by any of Abhi's characters, here's what happens when they go up against magic:

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    And

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    Basically put; Magneto is defenceless against magic, Scarlet Witch at far, far, FAR, less than her full power level, completely pwned his shielding, then forced him to his knees. Enchantress has thousands of years of training on the Witch and much higher power levels (than the Scarlet Witch of old) with the lightning fast reactions of the old Flash, she'll knock out those shields in a fraction of a heartbeat, leaving Abhi' monstrosity vulnerable for a speed blitz killing.

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    Yeah, heels have been dragged in this match, I've had a lot on my plate recently, maybe Abhi has too, or maybe he's waiting on me to go first so he has something more to reply to. The ball has been set rolling now, hopefully we can keep it moving through to the end.

    smile


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    First of all as Scoob is confused as to how I can use both Stakar and Aleta here. here is the origin of Starhawk.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-07.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-08.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-09.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-10.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-11.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-13.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-14.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-15.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...009-16.jpg.html

    As you can see, both Aleta and Stakar only posses half of Starhawk's power and half of his body too.

    (please log in to view the image)

    That's how I can use both of their showings.

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    Originally posted by Scoobless





    I mentioned Abhi's multiple shield strategy in my opening, and he obviously posted the scans again. Here's something to think on.

    Questions:

    1. Has Jade ever used that level of shielding in practical way (body wrap) that could be used in a fight?


    Yes, here she shields herself from Omega Man who was the darkness of entire multiverse and was destroying realities.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23682990/26.jpg.html

    quote:
  • If these shields all block energy, how can one shield be projected above another?
  • How can Abhi's energy attacks exit through his shields?


  • Because I manipulate them. Just like all green lanterns and Magneto and Starhawk do.
    quote:
  • Can Abhi's character even see through his own shields?
  • If no energy can bypass Jade's shields, how has Abhi done anything other than imprison himself?


  • Haha, this is just hilarious. Auto shields mean you are just trapped in there.

    Good shit there bro.

    quote:
    Moving on

    Starhawk

    He likes to refer to himself as "One who knows" Abhi is mistakenly interpreting this as Starhawk always knowing what will happen next, he doesn't. Starhawk has a pretty general idea of events due to past lives, but every action he takes moves his current life on to a different path from his previous lives, like turning left instead of right, it alters every action thereafter, and it is certainly not useful in battle as Starhawk gets hit by almost everyone.


    This is just totally false. Starhawk can gather information in a timeline by just existing in it. He doesn't has to live in it. Like he learns instantly of Black Celestial saga by just being in the same timeline.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219940/14.jpg.html

    And he always knows what's going to happen. The only way to eliminate the knowledge is to destroy the timeline completely.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219938/12.jpg.html

    He can even gather knolwedge from his future selves directly as they are all interconnected.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219943/14.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219944/16.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219945/17.jpg.html

    You're simply trying to wave away the very fundamental of the character. Its like saying Superman can't run because he choses to fly all the time.

    quote:
    Here's a bunch of people smacking the old "one who knows" upside the head:

    [/list]

    So let's go ahead and call BS on any assumption of Starhawk having a cosmic spider-sense, the guy is a walking punching bag.


    Hahaha, this is just pure comedy gold. In comics everyone gets hit, be it the Flash or Spider-Man with his spider-sense. I could post a hundred times Spidey gets hit by normal characters and it wouldn't do anything to his spider-sense being able to warn him of dangers. Anyway as per the rules of both the tourney and the forum, I am now controlling the character.

    quote:
    CIS & PIS is OFF!: We are drafting 2 characters, and its abilities. You the participant take ownership of how said characters & abilities will be realized in combat.


    So not even a nice attempt. Moreover I can teleport.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...MDnQrV.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...rGeObv.jpg.html

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219949/009.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219950/017.jpg.html

    And phase.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...gible2.jpg.html

    Combined with my far superior speed and precognition, there is literally zero chance I will get hit.



    quote:
    So now we've eliminated the assumption of prescience from the battle and highlighted the folly of trying to raise so many types of shields.


    You have done nothing but bore everyone with your yapping.

    quote:
    I presented a few of Enchantress' attack options in my opening post which included a few types of magical energy blasts, now perhaps they wouldn't smash right through Magneto's shields in a couple of blasts, but over 1,000 blasts a second without giving Mag's a moment to reinforce them, they may well crumble.

    I'm ignoring Jade's and Starhawk's shields because:
    A) Jade has yet to prove she can use these shields in a battle situation [quote]

    A green lantern can't use shields in fight?

    Hahaha.

    [quote] B) Starhawk doesn't use shields, the scan Abhi provided was an attempt to contain an enemy, not shield himself.


    Oh, he doesn't? What's Aleta doing here?

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24219954/15.jpg.html

    Right, using her constructs as a shield.

    quote:
    As for Magneto's shields, the only shields proven battle worthy by [b]any of Abhi's characters, here's what happens when they go up against magic:



    First off, feats aren't transferrable between characters.

    quote:
    You can't borrow feats from someone else, even if your similar characters.


    Second, that's not even magical, that's one of her hex spheres.

    Third, that's not his energy shield. he just made a shield out of ferrous particles which Wanda transmuted. In the same issue, Wanda could do nothing against his actual energy shield.

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    quote:




    Magneto is without his shields there. Pietro was able to impale him with a pole right after.

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    quote:
    *snip*


    Haha, what? Are you even listening to yourself? I've countered all of your points. Your speed is sapped, your magic is drained, you are completely defenseless against my psychic assaults which I'm going to post and you're going to be blasted to shit along with your blood manipulated by by magnetic powers.

    You've already lost. And you know it.

    Now for some offense. I will attack Scoob on all the level of existence including physical, menatl and soul just like against Korvac.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1a.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1b.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1c.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1d.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1e.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1f.jpg.html

    Mind you Korvac won but Starhawk even able to rock him on all three level of existence and putting out so much power that entire reality was shaking. And it was done only after Korvac killed Aleta in soul plane and her love wasn't strenghtening Starhawk.

    And even Moondragon is called a lesser psychic than him.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24220128/08.jpg.html

    Not without reason, here both Captain Marvel and Moondragon fail to recognize Korvac.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24220129/15.jpg.html

    But Starhawk immediately knows who Korvac is.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1a.jpg.html

    Here, he actually mindraped Moondragon albeit a weakened Moonie.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...dragon.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ragon2.jpg.html

    Combined with Magneto's psychic abilities which can oneshot Jean Grey.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...stral1.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...stral2.jpg.html

    And who combined with Xavier can breach even Galactus' mind.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...005-13.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...005-14.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...005-14.jpg.html

    I'm going to tear you apart on every level.

    Face it, you're done in every way here.


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    post #2

    Amora, The Enchantress
    Jay Garrick, The Flash
    Brit, The Invulnerable Man


    First off: Misconceptions

    "Jade's" impenetrable shields - Turns out that this feat was performed with a lot of borrowed power that is not available in this match. I was just about to produce the scans of her absorbing Power Ring's Volthoom power, thanks for saving me the effort

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    Part was her own power (Starheart) Most of it came from other sources; the Multiverse and all the energy she sucked out of Power Ring, which he had to later ask her to return to him:

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    All subsequent feats against Omega Man were performed with the Power Ring boost, so none of them are viable in this match.

    Finally, she could not manipulate that energy dome at all, she didn't even manage to turn it off, that was done by a talking ape.

    Jade had no idea what happened. So the idea that she could suddenly manipulate this type of shield to any size/shape she wants is simply rediculous, she was partly responsible for its formation, but she had zero control over it.

    ________________________


    Jade is also powered by the Starheart, which has a gaping flaw in its weakness against all things wooden. I happen to have a character who specialises in transmuting matter in wood:

    So, at super-duper-speed, I can transmute huge sections of the battlezone into wood. This serves two purposes. 1) I now have an ample supply of starheart killing material. 2) I just reduced Magneto's usefuleness by half.

    Furthermore, Jade is all but useless against magic:

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    So her constructs and shields will be far less effective than against a non-magical opponent, lucky me.

    NEXT:

    Pointing out that Magneto has no defence against magic is not transfering feats, it's exposing exploitable weaknesses.

    AND:

    Brit actually is totally invulnerable. You went through Brit's entire list of appearances and the only guy that managed to do anything to him was a world conquering, dimension hopping reality warper.... and he still didn't manage to damage Brit's body.

    ALSO:

    laughing out loud @ Starhawk "stalemating" the Keeper, the entire team did nothing but annoy him.

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    "We can't handle him"

    Then immediately after that we get yet another chance to see Starhawk being surprised by something (One Who Knows my a$$) and proving he isn't fast enough to cover 50 feet or so before rocks can fall.

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    How does that compare against Garrick's speed?

    It's pretty clear to see that Jay is by far the faster of the two in terms of reaction and combat speed. I'll freely admit that Starhawk can probably do point A-B travel through space faster than Jay can run, but he has no showings at all of speedster style feats.

    PHASING:

    Starhawk's version of phasing is basically turning himself into light. This is what Enchantress does to people made of light:

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    Turning to light will not help you, I'll just turn you back, lock you there and use the surprise to gain a further advantage.

    COLD:

    Please, I have an invulnerable Asgardian who has spent time flying through space, a little cold means nothing.

    DRAIN:

    Not gonna happen, firstly, Jade sucks against magic, second, I'm not some kind of battery, third, you'd never have time to try as I'm moving so fast (and invisible) you'd never see me coming.

    Oh, and cloaking is not against the rules, it was only banned as a prep tactic, after the match started it was perfectly viable

    PSYCHIC:

    laughing out loud @ calling magneto a psychic, but good job using that feat, it's completely useless against me and leaves your body unconscious and completely defenceless, an easy kill.

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    Enchantress completely sh!ts on Xavier's powers, Magneto is nothing compared to that. So while you're floating around impotently, I'll just go snap your neck while your body is sleeping.

    TP is not doing it here people, Enchantress blocks the mightiest mutant minds and faces off against immortals on the Astral Plane, going this route is probably your worst course of action so far.

    TELEPORTATION:

    I have that too, but I'll be using mine 10,000 times faster than you, also mine is magical so it won't be blocked by your shields and I can port in and..... kiss you.

    eek!


    Victory via liplock, all it takes in one instant and boom, you're sucking my spit and begging for more! How does it taste? Yeah, you know you like that!

    ________________________


    So:

    1. Your TP is useless
    2. Your light form is useless
    3. Your starheart energy sucks against magic
    4. Your wood weakness has been exposed
    5. Your amalgam is far, far, too slow to connect with mine
    6. Your body has been left defenceless by poor tactics
    7. Your best feats aren't even yours, and so can't be replicated
    8. kiss, kiss, kissy kiss... mmmmwaaahh!



    PS. just looked again, Scarlet Witch is not transmuting "ferrous particles" she is "transforming the force field shielding Magneto" it's an energy shield, not little pieces of metal.


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    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by Scoobless



    "Jade's" impenetrable shields - Turns out that this feat was performed with a lot of borrowed power that is not available in this match.



    Which was her own power as made clear in the comic. Omega Man even says that her power is like his, coming from all the multiverse.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235014/017.jpg.html

    Why? Because interaction with White ring and starheart had changed Jade's power.

    quote:
    Part was her own power (Starheart) Most of it came from other sources; the Multiverse and all the energy she sucked out of Power Ring, which he had to later ask her to return to him:



    Once again out of context scan, Power Ring was killed on the very next page. So the power was never returned and its all mine.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235015/23.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235016/24.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235017/25.jpg.html

    quote:
    All subsequent feats against Omega Man were performed with the Power Ring boost, so none of them are viable in this match.


    Totally false.

    quote:
    Finally, she could not manipulate that energy dome at all, she didn't even manage to turn it off, that was done by a talking ape.

    Jade had no idea what happened.


    Haha, what? Do you have any idea at all of what you're talking? It was flat out stated that Jade created the shield.

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    Its not even off panel. Second the reason, Jade needed help from Malavar, the ape was that she didn't had the power left to destroy the shield by herself.

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    quote:
    So the idea that she could suddenly manipulate this type of shield to any size/shape she wants is simply rediculous, she was partly responsible for its formation, but she had zero control over it.


    Haha, seriously? Jade's energy was what keeping the shield active.

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    She was weakened by her fight with Omega Man, but it was she who created the shield and she can manipulate it by her own will as she stopped it dissipating.




    quote:
    Jade is also powered by the Starheart, which has a gaping flaw in its weakness against all things wooden. I happen to have a character who specialises in transmuting matter in wood:

    So, at super-duper-speed, I can transmute huge sections of the battlezone into wood. This serves two purposes. 1) I now have an ample supply of starheart killing material. 2) I just reduced Magneto's usefuleness by half.


    Haha, you'd think by now you would've learned that after absorbing Starheart's power Jade had no weakness to wood. Just like Alan.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...P00034.jpg.html


    quote:
    Furthermore, Jade is all but useless against magic


    In a far less powerful version. Here she has the entirety of starheart at her disposal. Even Zatanna, the premier magician of DC had no success against her shields.



    quote:
    So her constructs and shields will be far less effective than against a non-magical opponent, lucky me.


    Yeah, right. Just look at the way she treated the personification of Starheart itself.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235021/14.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235022/15.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235023/16.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235024/17.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235025/19.jpg.html

    To think her power doesn't work on magic? Ridiculous.

    quote:


    Pointing out that Magneto has no defence against magic is not transfering feats, it's exposing exploitable weaknesses.


    Hex spheres are not magic. And they had no effect on Magneto's actual shields.

    This is just terrible.

    quote:


    Brit actually is totally invulnerable. You went through Brit's entire list of appearances and the only guy that managed to do anything to him was a world conquering, dimension hopping reality warper.... and he still didn't manage to damage Brit's body.



    Haha, sure. I already showed him getting KTFO.

    quote:
    @ Starhawk "stalemating" the Keeper, the entire team did nothing but annoy him.




    Cropping scans is fun, right? Why don't you see the several scans of Starhawk stalemating him in energy blasts?

    quote:
    Then immediately after that we get yet another chance to see Starhawk being surprised by something (One Who Knows my a$$) and proving he isn't fast enough to cover 50 feet or so before rocks can fall.



    ****ing terrible way of lowballing. The timeline was ending and that's why starhawk wasn't able to see anything.

    Surfer wasn't able to do anything too. Now he's slow too?

    quote:
    How does that compare against Garrick's speed?
    [list]

    It's pretty clear to see that Jay is by far the faster of the two in terms of reaction and combat speed.


    Starhawk can actually fight FTL being and blitz at several times faster than light speed. You've shown nothing but random scans of speed with no quantifiable speed level.

    quote:
    I'll freely admit that Starhawk can probably do point A-B travel through space faster than Jay can run, but he has no showings at all of speedster style feats.


    Like this?

    (please log in to view the image)

    Right.
    quote:


    Starhawk's version of phasing is basically turning himself into light. This is what Enchantress does to people made of light:


    No, Starhawk doesn't turns into light while phasing. He can attack physically while being intangible.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ible1b.jpg.html

    Good thing is Jade can phase too.

    https://i.imgur.com/5o0JFwa.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/V7FNm2x.jpg

    So good luck doing anything to me in that state.


    quote:
    Turning to light will not help you, I'll just turn you back, lock you there and use the surprise to gain a further advantage.


    You can't even touch me as I'll just absorb all your attacks. You can't turn me solid from light as I don't turn into light anyway.
    quote:


    Please, I have an invulnerable Asgardian who has spent time flying through space, a little cold means nothing.
    Its for sapping your momentum you dunce. Nothing you can do about that.

    quote:


    Not gonna happen, firstly, Jade sucks against magic, second, I'm not some kind of battery, third, you'd never have time to try as I'm moving so fast (and invisible) you'd never see me coming.


    "Waah, waah, you can't do this". Both starheart and power ring got drained. You are slow as a snail to me.

    Try and argue Enchantress has more magic than ****ing Starheart, why don't you?

    quote:
    Oh, and cloaking is not against the rules, it was only banned as a prep tactic, after the match started it was perfectly viable


    Then, not even Loki can hide from my senses.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235027/05.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235028/13.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24235029/16.jpg.html

    Good luck trying to hide from me.
    quote:


    @ calling magneto a psychic, but good job using that feat, it's completely useless against me and leaves your body unconscious and completely defenceless, an easy kill.
    Its an astral self because Magneto's body was incapacitated. Doesn't means my attack has to go by astral self.

    quote:


    Enchantress completely sh!ts on Xavier's powers, Magneto is nothing compared to that. So while you're floating around impotently, I'll just go snap your neck while your body is sleeping.


    You simply forgot about Starhawk who is a more powerful psychic than Moondragon herself. Good going bro.

    quote:
    TP is not doing it here people, Enchantress blocks the mightiest mutant minds and faces off against immortals on the Astral Plane, going this route is probably your worst course of action so far.


    Moondragon>Xavier. And starhawk mindraped her casually. So, no.

    quote:


    I have that too, but I'll be using mine 10,000 times faster than you, also mine is magical so it won't be blocked by your shields and I can port in and..... kiss you.




    Meaningless. I know where you are at all time due to my precognition. You are doing nothing against my shields.

    quote:
    *snip*


    That's just laughable at this point.

    quote:
    snip




    My TP is greater than what you can block, I don't turn into light, my power has beaten magical beings like a red headed step child, I don't have any wood weakness, my amalgam is far faster than your slowpoke turtle, I'm just about untouchable by you and my feats are just that, my feats.

    Why don't you go and post some more out of context scans while you're at it.


    quote:
    PS. just looked again, Scarlet Witch is not transmuting "ferrous particles" she is "transforming the force field shielding Magneto" it's an energy shield, not little pieces of metal.


    The shield which is made of ferrous particles. And its not magic, its her probability altering hexes.

    She could do nothing against his energy shields. Plain as day.

    Your wails of desperation are delicious as you know you can't do anything against me.


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    post #3

    Amora, The Enchantress
    Jay Garrick, The Flash
    Brit, The Invulnerable Man

    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by abhilegend
    Post 2


    He means #3
    ____________________

    Not to get overly picky (well, maybe a little) but you drafted Jade with Starheart powers, which is the bulk of her "career" all this extra multiverse stuff that happened after her resurrection is a different powerset, not entirely, but diffrerent enough to make it a new powerset for drafting.


    And yes, she had the Volthoom power (Power Ring's power source) during the Omega Man showings, but no, she didn't keep it afterwards, the ring and power source return to their own world as the story closes.
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    You're posting a lot of hyperbole and opinion scans because their is no proof set in feats - Batman's opinion, Supergirl's opinion even Jade's opinion (when she states later that she didn't know what happened)

    She didn't take it down because she lacked power? so what about all your claims that she can just drain energy from anywhere? why not just drain "her own" power back into herself? that should be the easiest power to absorb, right? She couldn't because she no longer had the power used to create the dome and she never will again.

    STARHEART:

    You drafted it, so you get its weakness:

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    Whether or not Alan ever overcame that weakness is not relevant to Jade, as you stated earlier, feats are non-transferable.
    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by abhilegend
    she has the entirety of starheart at her disposal

    So Alan Scott level or greater? he's at High Herald level for sure, stated as being the most powerful human on (DC) Earth

    You really think your LOW HERALD draft has that kind of power? if so just DQ that part of your amalgam right now.

    There is no way you have " the entirety of starheart", just no way.

    _________________________


    Keeper not wanting to kill Starhawk does not make it a stalemate

    _________________________


    The ONE scan that exists of Starhawk doing any kind of blur-motion and he still has time to complete a sentence and everyone reacts to what's happening (the one time) Seriously, go find something that really makes him look like a speedster, bet you can't.

    _________________________


    A phased guy hitting another equally phased guy is not proof he can affect the physical world while in his light form (as that is what it is)

    Even if it was some other form of phasing, Amora has restrained Vision and others with ease so they could not escape. Also including Quicksilver, who has faster reactions than Starhawk.

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    Phasing is not a problem.

    _________________________


    You are still trying to play the precog card? Dude, it's not even in the deck:
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    quote:
    Q; Can Starhawk predict the future?
    ...
    A; No.....


    _________________________


    The Shehawk found Loki while he was standing around talking to a snowglobe, not while he was invisible moving close to lightspeed, hardly a comparable situation.

    _________________________


    Phasing means dropping energy shields, which may be the only thing protecting you from my enchanting mind control enslavement trick as seen in previous matches... ah hell, I'll go copy it over to here so you don't have to go looking:

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    I say "may be" ... truth is there's really nothing protecting you from my mind control, just wanted to lay out a different approach this time around, but what works, works. If I can't get in close enough for a kiss early on, I'll simply take control of you from a slight distance.

    This is not simple telepathy, so Magneto's helmet doesn't become an issue, it's sorcery and it doesn't care about magnetic fields or tinfoil hats.

    _________________________


    Once again:

    1. You have no precog
    2. You do not have the entirety of the starheart
    3. You are not a speedster
    4. You have not erased your wood weakness
    5. You are attempting multiple contradictory tactics (astral, shields, tp, etc)
    6. You have no counter to my love powers
    7. You can't even see me, possibly sense a presense, but not see me.
    8. You are secretely begging for --- kiss, kiss, kissy kiss... mmmmwaaahh!


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    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by Scoobless
    post #3


    He means #3


    Well of course.
    quote:


    Not to get overly picky (well, maybe a little) but you drafted Jade with Starheart powers, which is the bulk of her "career" all this extra multiverse stuff that happened after her resurrection is a different powerset, not entirely, but diffrerent enough to make it a new powerset for drafting.
    [/center]


    No, it doesn't. If you had any objections, you could have brought them up earlier. I've picked up Jade with starheart and her latest incarnation has the power of the starheart as she absorbed it all from Alan.

    quote:
    And yes, she had the Volthoom power (Power Ring's power source) during the Omega Man showings, but no, she didn't keep it afterwards, the ring and power source return to their own world as the story closes.


    That only shows Volthoom returning to its earth, where did the power go to it?

    quote:
    You're posting a lot of hyperbole and opinion scans because their is no proof set in feats - Batman's opinion, Supergirl's opinion even Jade's opinion (when she states later that she didn't know what happened)


    Unlike you, who is posting just lies? I mean you've lied what, three times already?

    quote:
    She didn't take it down because she lacked power? so what about all your claims that she can just drain energy from anywhere? why not just drain "her own" power back into herself? that should be the easiest power to absorb, right? She couldn't because she no longer had the power used to create the dome and she never will again.


    Because she didn't have the power at that moment. That's the reason comic gives us.

    I'm not going to question why or how.

    quote:


    You drafted it, so you get its weakness:



    That's Alan. Post Jade being affected by wood after she absorbs the entirety of starheart.

    quote:
    Whether or not Alan ever overcame that weakness is not relevant to Jade, as you stated earlier, feats are non-transferable.
    Also because Jade did what Alan did to overcome the wood weakness. She was never affected by wood afterwards.

    quote:
    So Alan Scott level or greater? he's at High Herald level for sure, stated as being the most powerful human on (DC) Earth[/URL]



    There is no way you have " the entirety of starheart", just no way.


    She absorbed the chaotic part of Starheart.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631074/17.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631076/18-19.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631078/20-21.jpg.html

    What you believe or not is of no consequence.

    quote:


    Keeper not wanting to kill Starhawk does not make it a stalemate


    Starhawk directly stalemated him in energy blasts for several pages. Lulz at this.

    quote:


    The ONE scan that exists of Starhawk doing any kind of blur-motion and he still has time to complete a sentence and everyone reacts to what's happening (the one time) Seriously, go find something that really makes him look like a speedster, bet you can't.


    Heh, its like talking to carver "Only speedy line makes a speedster." Well, look at their speed, why don't you?

    Starhawk goes instant lightspeed and blitzes at several times speed of light.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15238828/FTL.jpg.html

    Goes instant FTL again.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24241545/03.jpg.html

    Intercepting a blast from Firelord at near light speed casually.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...relord.jpg.html

    Dodging blasts at FTL speed.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...itself.jpg.html

    Just for a comparison, it took Wally himself to absorb Jay and Bart's speed to go lightspeed instantly.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...back10.jpg.html

    To think Jay can go anywhere near that level of speed? Laughable.

    He needs to build up his spped to go anywhere near light speed.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...mrace2.jpg.html

    Going near lightspeed on his own is impossible for him. In fact he could only see Barry and Wally go near lightspeed and couldn't follow at all.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...jg4fas.jpg.html

    Your speed is already sapped by my cold field. At this point you might as well be a statue for me.
    quote:


    A phased guy hitting another equally phased guy is not proof he can affect the physical world while in his light form (as that is what it is)

    Even if it was some other form of phasing, Amora has restrained Vision and others with ease so they could not escape. Also including Quicksilver, who has faster reactions than Starhawk.


    Just to be clear, i'm not phasing by outset. I'm ony phasing in the remotest chance that you are ever going to be able to break my shields.

    And no, Amora freezing Vision while he wasn't phasing isn't a proof of her capabale of hitting phased characters.

    quote:
    Phasing is not a problem.


    Of course it is.



    quote:
    You are still trying to play the precog card? Dude, it's not even in the deck:


    Dude, you are so desperate its not even funny. Yeah, in comic Starhawk can't avoid his predetermined actions as it only creates an alternate reality.

    Here I don't have any such restrictions.

    Here starhawk knows before an attack happens.


    You can't hide from me.

    quote:


    The Shehawk found Loki while he was standing around talking to a snowglobe, not while he was invisible moving close to lightspeed, hardly a comparable situation.


    Even then Doom was unable to locate him. And no. you are not even capable of going near lightspeed at this point.

    But more to the point, you can't hide from Jade. I can track you by your heat.

    https://i.imgur.com/iASTpDi.jpg

    See you anywhere.

    https://i.imgur.com/7iGMCql.jpg

    Not to mention, bright light negates all of her illusions.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24241730/2_07.jpg.html

    And I can give light like sun itself.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24241739/18.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24241740/19.jpg.html

    So, your invisibilty means nothing to me.

    quote:



    Phasing means dropping energy shields, which may be the only thing protecting you from my enchanting mind control enslavement trick as seen in previous matches... ah hell, I'll go copy it over to here so you don't have to go looking:


    Like I said, its not phasing by default. I'm only going to use iton the last resort.

    quote:
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    I say "may be" ... truth is there's really nothing protecting you from my mind control, just wanted to lay out a different approach this time around, but what works, works. If I can't get in close enough for a kiss early on, I'll simply take control of you from a slight distance.


    Yes, it does. I'm absorbing all your magic, my mind is closed to telepaths like Mantis and Moondragon.

    And Red Onslaught broke the spell on the very next page.

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    quote:
    This is not simple telepathy, so Magneto's helmet doesn't become an issue, it's sorcery and it doesn't care about magnetic fields or tinfoil hats.


    Oh you don't care for anything in your make believe fantasy worlds. In reality though? Magneto has blocked magical telepathy just fine.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...gMind2.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...gMind3.jpg.html

    And magical attacks from Dr. Doom are repelled easily too.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...usade4.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...usade5.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...neto11.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...neto12.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...neto13.jpg.html

    And Doom shits on Enchantress in terms of magic.

    quote:



    Once again:

    1. You have no precog


    Yes, I do.
    quote:
  • You do not have the entirety of the starheart
  • You are not a speedster


  • I have both. Repeating yourself wouldn't make it true.
    quote:
  • You have not erased your wood weakness
  • You are attempting multiple contradictory tactics (astral, shields, tp, etc)


  • I've no wood weakness at this point. And no, my attacks are pretty simple. Blast you to shit, break your mind in half, crush your soul and drain all magic from you.

    quote:
  • You have no counter to my love powers


  • Yes, I do. I can absorb all magic, remember?

    quote:
  • You can't even see me, possibly sense a presense, but not see me.


  • Of course I can.
    quote:
  • You are secretely begging for --- kiss, kiss, kissy kiss...


  • You still have to break just one of my shields. I have three and two of them can stop teleportation easily.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...FNtqac.jpg.html

    You're basically defenseless and have no option of winning here.


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    post #4

    Amora, The Enchantress
    Jay Garrick, The Flash
    Brit, The Invulnerable Man


    "If I had objections"? like we're all supposed to know the entire history of every character before the draft? This is a low herald tourney, you drafted the low herald, Starheart powered version of Jade. Just because she has a handful issues at the end of her 30 year (or so) career doesn't make that the drafted version, especially if those showings are high herald. That's just common sense.

    It's your job to show that a proven weakness (in this instance Jade + Wood) has changed, not mine to prove it still exists when there's nothing to say it doesn't.

    Here's Jade's weakness, go disprove it if you can:

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    Just because Daredevil hasn't been shot in a while, doesn't mean he is bulletproof, absence of proof is not proof. Or do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster?

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    Starhawk was a minor distraction for Keeper (at best) not a stalemate

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    Starhawk flying fast in a straight line scans galore... I already said he could move fast when flying through space, go show him performing complex tasks at high speed or punching someone a rediculous number of times per second

    Anything like these:

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    Performing complex spells in a fraction of a fraction of a second, avoiding your clumsy, slower than slow attacks, negating your phasing, employing your weaknesses, keeping you off balance and on the defensive.
    While you are praying your overrated shields hold up against attacks that can level high heralds and tear apart fear gods when struck once, now multiply that a thousand times, then a thousand more.
    Before you even finish the thought to consider attempting to "drain my magic" you're already beaten (a feat which, according to your starheart scan, seems to take a lot of effort and concentration, isn't instantaneous and requires protection from outside interference.... not to mention a target that isn't whipping around at crazy speeds while invisible)

    Also, Jay "running out of steam" and not keeping up with Wally Flash is an issue that is negated by his massively amped Asgardian endurance.

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    Amora freezing Vision is proof that she can subdue phasers with little to no effort.

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    Starhawk has never been precognitive... just.... ok *sigh*

    ......................................................

    SH: "I'm Starhawk I know everything that is going to happen and can move at the speed of light whenever I please"
    Kid: "So what will you do with those powers?"
    SH: "Today I think I'll go get my sh!t stomped by Ghost Rider, almost die and put myself out of commission for a while!"
    Kid: "Wow... are you retarded or something?"
    SH: " Why yes I am small child, retarded to the max!"

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    Kid: "What a fcuking moron!"

    ......................................................

    Yeah, doesn't look like old Hawky stands up to well against the mystical either.

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    As to "bright light negates all of her illusions" ... .clearly Dazzler fired a laser which distracted Amora, the "bright light" part is just your misunderstanding of events.

    laughing out loud @ Jade's "crystal ball" trick .... Good use of the thousandth of a second you'll have before being overwhelmed by high speed sorcery.

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    Red Onslaught got lucky via outside interference... who's coming to save you?

    As for Starhawk's mind being "closed" to TP... so is Vision's

    Guess what... Sorcery isn't telepathy.

    Don't believe Vision is immune to telepathy? Here:


    So, even a machine with immunity to telepathy is easily controlled by Amora's magical enchantments, what makes you think your amalgam is so safe?

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    I don't like reposting scans (so I wont) but go check the list of offensive Enchantress feats in my opening post.

    The sword feat -#s 6/7- was while weakened in Nightmare's realm. Destroying a demon lord in his own realm is extremely impressive. Shoving that enchanted sword up Starjado's butthole will be slightly less impressive, but entertaining nonetheless

    Ah screw it, I know you guys are too lazy to check for yourselves, here it is again:



    .......................................


    And in case anyone forgot, I'm still physically invulnerable with mental shielding that Xavier could only dream about and speed so great that everyone around me appears as statues, giving me all the time in the world to do whatever I please.

    I'm leaving this battlezone without a scratch on me.


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    Coup De Grace

    Well, here we go with the last post. I will summarize my points and Scooby-Doo's as well.

    Scooby has only two attack options: Magic and Speed. I've neutralized both as I can drain magic and magical spells casually.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199036/028_2.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199037/028_3.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199039/028_4.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199040/028_5.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24199035/028_1.jpg.html

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631074/17.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631076/18-19.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23631078/20-21.jpg.html


    And I drain all of his speed away with a cold field.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...HbFprR.png.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/241...N7Lkun.jpg.html

    Scooby has no counters for both and is hoping nobody sees that.

    Now my attack. I create my shields and go instantly lightspeed.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15238828/FTL.jpg.html

    Then I start blasting him with star busting energy attacks.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198967/2.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198968/3.jpg.html

    And invade your mind and break it in half like I did to moondragon.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...dragon.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...ragon2.jpg.html

    And Jean Grey.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...stral1.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...stral2.jpg.html

    I also attack his soul and destroy it with attacks that can seriously harm someone like Korvac.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1a.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...rvac1b.jpg.html

    All the while knowing where you are exactly all the time and avoiding/absorbing anything you can throw at me.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/152...oknows.jpg.html

    Now, to briefly educate Scooby again.

    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by Scoobless
    post #4


    "If I had objections"? like we're all supposed to know the entire history of every character before the draft? This is a low herald tourney, you drafted the low herald, Starheart powered version of Jade. Just because she has a handful issues at the end of her 30 year (or so) career doesn't make that the drafted version, especially if those showings are high herald. That's just common sense.


    Who cares? If you had any objections, you should have bring it up in the thread. Now it just looks like whining.


    quote:
    It's your job to show that a proven weakness (in this instance Jade + Wood) has changed, not mine to prove it still exists when there's nothing to say it doesn't.

    Here's Jade's weakness, go disprove it if you can:



    Yes, it is. You have to prove wood can penetrate Jade's shields. Nothing could as per direct statement.

    You'd think they'd tried wood after 3 days of shield being up.

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    quote:
    Just because Daredevil hasn't been shot in a while, doesn't mean he is bulletproof, absence of proof is not proof. Or do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster?


    Random nonsense. Do you have any proof that Jade's shield is vulnerable to wood? Go ahead and prove it.




    quote:
    Starhawk was a minor distraction for Keeper (at best) not a stalemate



    I like how you are just denying it now.

    quote:
    Starhawk flying fast in a straight line scans galore... I already said he could move fast when flying through space, go show him performing complex tasks at high speed or punching someone a rediculous number of times per second

    Anything like these:


    Performing complex spells in a fraction of a fraction of a second, avoiding your clumsy, slower than slow attacks, negating your phasing, employing your weaknesses, keeping you off balance and on the defensive.


    I've proved time and time again that I'm far faster than you in both flight and reflex speed.

    Being able to fight a FTL being made of Tachyons.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198984/6.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198985/7.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24198986/9.jpg.html

    Complex manuvers at FTL speed.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24246900/21.jpg.html

    You are no match for me in speed. But its nice to live in your fantasy world.


    quote:
    While you are praying your overrated shields hold up against attacks that can level high heralds and tear apart fear gods when struck once, now multiply that a thousand times, then a thousand more.


    Haha, that's not possible. I've already drained all your speed.
    quote:
    Before you even finish the thought to consider attempting to "drain my magic" you're already beaten (a feat which, according to your starheart scan, seems to take a lot of effort and concentration, isn't instantaneous and requires protection from outside interference.... not to mention a target that isn't whipping around at crazy speeds while invisible)


    With what speed? Already drained by my cold field?

    quote:
    Also, Jay "running out of steam" and not keeping up with Wally Flash is an issue that is negated by his massively amped Asgardian endurance.


    That doesn't increases his speed a bit.



    quote:

    Amora freezing Vision is proof that she can subdue phasers with little to no effort.



    Nope.

    quote:
    Starhawk has never been precognitive... just.... ok *sigh*



    He really does. Its been spelled out in comic for someone like you.

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    Hahaha, this is just lulzworthy. First of all, after being split with Aleta, Stakar was having trouble with his memory.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24246907/16.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24246906/05.jpg.html

    And its flat out stated that he was weakened.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24246904/02_2.jpg.html
    quote:


    Yeah, doesn't look like old Hawky stands up to well against the mystical either.


    Seriously?

    quote:



    As to "bright light negates all of her illusions" ... .clearly Dazzler fired a laser which distracted Amora, the "bright light" part is just your misunderstanding of events.


    Not really. The light clearly dispelled her illusion.

    Not that it takes much to see you.

    quote:
    @ Jade's "crystal ball" trick .... Good use of the thousandth of a second you'll have before being overwhelmed by high speed sorcery.


    Again dismissal. You're being expert at this.

    quote:



    Red Onslaught got lucky via outside interference... who's coming to save you?
    No, he did not. Enchantress was never distracted. He broke the spell on his own.


    quote:
    As for Starhawk's mind being "closed" to TP... so is Vision's


    Who said Vision is immune to TP?

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24246908/15.jpg.html

    Telepaths like Moondragon can influence him just fine.


    quote:
    So, even a machine with immunity to telepathy is easily controlled by Amora's magical enchantments, what makes you think your amalgam is so safe?


    Vision isn't a machine. He's an android who had brain patterns of Wonder Man. Its explained in the same comic that he has become more human than ever.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/242...9_Love.jpg.html

    Do you even read the comics?




    quote:
    I don't like reposting scans (so I wont) but go check the list of offensive Enchantress feats in my opening post.

    The sword feat -#s 6/7- was while weakened in Nightmare's realm. Destroying a demon lord in his own realm is extremely impressive. Shoving that enchanted sword up Starjado's butthole will be slightly less impressive, but entertaining nonetheless

    Ah screw it, I know you guys are too lazy to check for yourselves, here it is again:



    Not even Zauriel's heavenly sword and sword of Michael could breach my shield. Your sword might as well be a twig.

    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...elds_5.jpg.html
    http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/236...lds_10.jpg.html

    quote:



    And in case anyone forgot, I'm still physically invulnerable with mental shielding that Xavier could only dream about and speed so great that everyone around me appears as statues, giving me all the time in the world to do whatever I please.

    I'm leaving this battlezone without a scratch on me.


    Maybe in your dreams. In reality though? You've no chance at all here.

    That's all. The match is in your hands judges.


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    post #5

    Wrapping sh!t up




    Amora, The Enchantress
    Jay Garrick, The Flash
    Brit, The Invulnerable Man


    The cold thing... again.

    Jay was affected because the cold numbed his limbs and slowed his body, Amora wouldn't be nearly as susceptible to cold and Brit is flat out immune to temperature variations.

    ___________________________

    I've dealt with the magic drain issue in previous posts
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    The energy Dome was only partially Jade's energy, part from Volthoom, part from parts unknown... and she was completely incapable of manipulating it.
    ___________________________

    "Fight FTL" - all he did was ... nothing. Feel free to use that standing still and doing nothing tactic here.
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    "Complex manuvers at FTL speed." - firing once then turning around... wow, so complex (Sarcasm level - Ricky Gervais)
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    Speed draining? you claim to be chilling the air, though you posted no scans to prove it (or did I miss the part where you drafted captain Cold?)

    Seriously, I have no idea where this cold area tactic is even coming from... is it a Starhawk thing? Judges are evaluating this based on no prior knowledge, only what we show can be used to determine their choice of winner and you never once produced a cold inducing scan from any of your drafts here.

    COUNTER:

    I drain all YOUR speed.

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    Giving myself a minor boost and leaving you statuesque
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    RE: Starhawk is not precognitive:

    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by abhilegend
    Its been spelled out in comic for someone like you.

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    It really is spelled out, you should try reading the words:

    quote:
    "I am NOT clairvoyant"
    .....
    I am NOT infallible....

    You're kinda doing my job for me with this type of scan post.
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    Vision was not even targetted by Moonstone in that scan, Only Iron Man, Cap and Thor. Pretty feeble attempt to undermine the clarity of the logic I laid out beforehand.
    quote: (post)
    Originally posted by abhilegend
    Vision isn't a machine. He's an android

    quote:
    android ‎(plural androids)

    A robot that is designed to look and act like a human (not rarely male)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/android
    quote:
    noun
    1.
    an automaton in the form of a human being.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/android?s=t

    roll eyes (sarcastic)
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    More energy Dome stuff.... *sigh* ... JADE. CAN'T. CONTROL. OR. REPLICATE. THAT. FEAT.
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    I like how you spent the entire match desperately claiming powers and abilities you don't have for Jade and Starhawk and just using Magneto for basic shielding and almost nothing else... truthfully he was the only one on your team I was worried about.
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    Anyway, on to the inevitable summary list:

    1. You don't have the full Starheart. Only Alan can control that
    2. You have no true speedster feats, only FTL straight line flying feats
    3. You provided scans yourself to show Starhawk is not a precog
    4. You NEVER showed anything to dismiss the wood weakness
    5. You are all over the place with a variety of contradictory plans

    6. I showed each of your characters being punked by magical/mystical attacks
    7. I showed feats of everything I claimed
    8. I have the ability to switch strategies in the blink of an eye due to the speedforce
    9. I can attack a thousand times before you can respond once, and each of those attacks is devestating
    10. I am invulnerable, Invisible and untouchable - you are a roadkill




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    Match is over.
    Good Job guys.
    Judges will have 2 weeks to come up with their verdict.


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    quote:

    Bentley wrote on Oct 15th, 2015 06:57 AM:
    Congratulations to both finalists and good luck for the remaining votes. Since there are several rulings coming up, I'll be brief.

    Amalgam

    Scoobs takes this handily. I mean, strictly speaking, Jay only brings speed, when a character like Starhawk brings speed and more stuff. But really, it's such a powerset that you don't need to go prove established stuff. The same with Brit, who has so little showings that Abhi could only dig so much against him (we see him koed but ignore how he fell, and we see a panel struggling with great weight which he cannot possible fight off without super strenght). So yeah, simple stuff to keep the stuff focused on Amora who is your versatility surge.

    Now, Abhi brought a powerful gun, but it went incredible underused. What's even Magneto doing here? Is his huge shield supposed to follow him when he becomes light? Who has Captain Cold's gun? Where did he aim it? The powersets aren't terribly complementary either. Now, I think Scoobs and Abhi were allowed to use two characters with only one of them beign an amalgam? That would've been an obvious choice considering the game plan Abhi brought! So yeah, lot's of wasted possibilities here, by fair the most disappointing thing Abhi brought to the battle.

    Scoob 1 - Abhi 0



    Strategy

    Bringing a tried and very predictable tool such as Jade's shield is not excellent strategizing. But I'll give you this: Abhi is at his best when defending his points, his power isn't in his ability to turn around arguments or spot potential flaws but to build a sturdy speech, a confident hammer to smash through the opponent. So yes, I don't think I can penalize Abhi for playing to his own strenghts, if anything it forced Scoob to play his game and counter the shield!

    So if his battle tactics were simple, in a grander scheme of things, I believe Abhi went for the throat, getting the bigger defense but also the bigger offense from the onset. Really, he established that Starhawk is faster and shoots starbusting blasts... Yeah, that's a thing. But technically we don't see the shields working at huge speeds at all, maybe in the end, having the bigger defense and offense was wanting to buy the cake and eating it too.

    Cloaking was a thing for Scoobs though, how fast can he cloak? Maybe by speedstealing. All in all this depends in how we imagine the huge shield working at light speeds (assuming, of course, the shield can be replicated at all). Other than that... Don't you kind of wish Abhi used his amazing versatility for something.

    Still,


    Scoobs 1 - Abhi 1


    Now into the tie breaker.



    Debate


    Well, as I mentioned earlier Abhi started this match playing to his strenghts, defending his positions and coming up with a solid game plan. But when Scoobs realized he would camp in his positions and being defensive, he controlled the flow of the debate, he attacked and Abhi defended. This is essentially what happened for most of the time, both were akin to brush asides inconvenient arguments, but Scoobs kept the ball on his court for most of the time.

    I don't believe everything Scoobs says. Obviously Jade empowered by Power Ring goes against the spirit of a lowherald tourney, but if Scoobs really thought the shield was illegal, he could've argued about it before the match (since the rules have changed between rounds, this is no issue). I'm not going to make a critical judgement based on the legal positions on this shield because nobody likes being beaten because of that stuff.

    As it is though, the wood thing, the magic mind-rape thing and the precog things went unanswered or fairly challenged by Scoobs. Abhi did fairly point out that Brit's durability hasn't proved to be cosmic on panel. No clarification for the Captain Cold scans, I'm not even sure who was supposed to pull that off. I suppose that give Scoobs a neat clarify edge.

    So well, this isn't really a landslide of any kind, but I think Abhi did the fatal mistake by focusing too much in defense (both his arguments and his huge shield), a trait of his personality that Scoobs went to exploit mostly unimpeded.

    My vote would be for

    Scoobless

    But just barely. I'm still somewhat surprised by the outcome. Looking forward to the rest of the votes.

    Congratulations to you both, solid match.


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    Match Ruling

    Thoughts as I read the match:

    - Nice opening thrusts. I thought Scoob might be tanked on versatility, but he’s opted to get tourney-limit reactions and durability. Both may struggle to take the other out. It’ll be interesting to see some of the offensive strategies.
    - Starhawk can fly over lightspeed, but the difference between speed and reactions is a years-old acknowledgement on the forums. Withholding my opinion on this for the moment.
    - Wait, how do you have Cpt. Cold’s freeze gun? Or even an equivalent power?
    - “The One Who Knows” was always dubious as precog in a battle, so I’m not considering it. I’m somewhat familiar with the old Guardians comics. It was always depicted as more of a vague awareness of events, not something that could help him, say, dodge punches.
    - Abhi’s done a nice job defending his shielding. Scoob has thrown out some attacks, but neither has done much in the way of killing blows yet.
    - Scoob’s countering well, pointing out context-specific feats like Jade’s big shield feat, mentioning the wood weakness, and countering phasing. The first and last are potentially important. I don’t count the wood weakness for much, because there are Starhawk and Magneto to consider, who basically make “wood” a worthless attack option.
    - Counter to the counter on Jade’s shields (followed by another counter to the counter of the counter, etc.). That’s how these things go. One person takes some points, then the other takes some of those back. Curious to see how many of these Abhi shores up, though.
    - Telepathy isn’t going to be a win for either side here; you’re both powerful and shielded against it.
    - I counted one, maybe two, good reaction feats for Starhawk. The rest were straight-line flight. He’s fast. But Scoob’s advantage here is holding up. I don’t think it translates into an untouchable character, but it does translate into more opportunities to try attacks.
    - OMAC mimicking the cold gun…I’m still confused how you’re doing this. Whose power set mimics Cpt. Cold’s cold field?
    - Jade’s absorption feats were solely with people with whom she shares a power set. I.e. GLs. Is that coincidence? Are there other examples of her draining those with whom she doesn’t share a power affinity? Amora doesn’t strike me as an energy battery. Jade's/Magneto's shields can protect against most of her attacks, but an offensive drain seems unlikely, especially given the speed at which the battle will be fought.

    Abhi’s debate was sloppier. Not going to sugar-coat that. I tended to side with Scoob on several points, including that Jade didn’t possess the full Starheart (she’s not Alan level), Starhawk is fast but not a speedster in regards to reactions, Starhawk isn’t a precog in any way that would be meaningful in the battle, Jade’s biggest shield feat was with an amp, etc.

    Now, Abhi didn't need each of those to maintain some advantages. Like, full Starheart or not, his power advantage is sizable. He still has excellent shields, and all three of his draft picks make good use of the power limits, including world-class low heralds like Magneto and Starhawk. On paper, despite the debating setbacks, he’s got a lot more raw power on his side. Like, a lot. A fight can absolutely be won in the draft room. Scoob traded power for reactions and durability, so this issue becomes whose advantages win out.

    So here’s how it goes in my head. Abhi can’t turtle forever, and can’t win the fight from behind a bubble shield, given Scoob’s speed. So he tries to bring his power to bear on Scoob. The power is potentially overwhelming, but Brit’s durability buys Flash’s reactions enough time to either avoid the attacks or do something like teleport. This forms a cat & mouse in which Abhi needs a non-physical method of victory to seal the deal. Eventually Scoob finds his way into a close-up scrap, either by slowly wearing down the shields or finding an opportunity where Abhi isn't bubbled fully, which allows him to utilize Amora’s nigh-OHK “love” attack, which is the only thing I can see bypassing the formidable traditional-TP defenses Abhi has in place.

    So then, since it might be his best, least blockable attack…God help me, Scoobless wins by kissing Abhi. I feel dirty even typing that, and part of me now hopes Abhi wins just because I was forced to write it. I need a f---ing break from judging. Good job guys.


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    Prof. T.C McAbe wrote on Oct 11th, 2015 07:12 PM:
    Abhi Prologue:
    Abhis tactic is to raise his shields, his triple shields and go ligthspeed while already predicting what his enemy will do

    Scoob Prologue :
    Scoobs tactic is to be fast, combat speed wise, to be able to tank about everything with a smile and to pack enough magic power and control to win this.

    Me: Should be interesting, I see some attempts of no limits here but scoobs already begins to disprove the prediction ability of starhawk. Let's see how Scoobs invulnerability is disproved.

    Abhi Post 1:
    Nice one, Abhi shows that Brit can be koed and his blasting power, on top of that he wants to freeze Scoobs, but wait what cold powers? Ehm, after rereading the previous post maybe this one will be cleared, for now I am confused. He will absorb any magic blasts thrown at him, block the other nonmagical blasts and blast his way to victory.

    Scoob Post 1:
    Brings up some valid points, defense or offense, is both possible? The know it all theory has been debunked imho, else Starhawk would have indeed never been koed. Also Magic might bring Mags shields down.

    Me: The question is, what will Abhi do, seal himself or use just some of the shields, is the chaos magic a weakness for mags shields or magic in general? How will abhi defend against a blitz and are both fast or who is faster?

    Abhi Post 2:
    Shows how powerful his shields are but not how they can used at the same time with attacks, would have liked to see this. Starhawks "know it" senses, while available I fail to see them used in a combat situation and an explanation why he has been koed if he is able to foresee the outcome of a fight instantly. However, Abhi made a point that Starhawk has also Shields and his hex power argument is what I expected and I agree, a different kind of magic imo. Now the interesting part, the offense, blasts, physical and mental. Though it's new to me that Mags is a telepath.

    Scoob Post 2:
    Disproves at the beginning the power of Jades shields and shows an weakness to wood, which due to his magical powers he can use to attack. Also again shows how the precognition fails and the real power level of Starhawk. His combat/reaction speed seems also superior. Again the Cold argument, did I miss something? I think I need to reread the previous posts again *grrrrrrrrrrrrr. Scoobs makes good points in how he penetrates Abhis defenses and a new way to attack, he wants to kiss him, sometimes I think those two are just sick.

    Me: Interesting, I already see some of Abhis shields failing, his defense crumbles and am curious how he counters Scoobs attacks. I also see that he just counts on the TP defense of Enchantress and the invulnerability of Brit. Considering the speed, I am not sure who has the edge.

    Abhi Post 2 erm 3:
    Hmm, this is now hard for me. Jade imho can't have access to all the power Abhi says, that would be imo against the rules, she would be above the tier. Power Rings Power is not hers even if she gets it later, so which version is valid? Imo the one without the amps. Wandas magic is different from enchantress I though, but let's see. Abhi shows Starhawks ability to blitz, good one and his other source for phasing. Abhi becomes quite aggressive^^.

    Scoobs Post 3:
    I agree with Scoobs that this Jade is indeed different and above the allowed tier. I want to see Jade being also immune to wood now and also agree that she has not the whole power of the starheart, this is against the rules imo, the tier she is capable of acting is set. Scoobs shows that he can, thanks to his magic, attack abhi in a non telepathic way and also counter his intangibility.

    Me: Now it becomes a bit confusing. I am not sure how powerful Abhis shields are now and how easily they can be bypassed. Also I want to see how Abhi bypasses Enchantress TP protection and the invulnerability. Speed right now is equal imo, at least reaction/combat speed.

    Abhi Post 4:
    Nice, you can't prove a negative argument. Can Jade be hurt by wood or not? Now it becomes the repeating of old arguments.

    Scoobs Post 4:
    Proves that Jade is vulnerable to wood. Shows Jays speed/reaction and it goes also to some old arguments.

    Me: What I got from this. Magic is not telepathy. Right now I am undecided and will just focus on the last posts.

    Abhis Final Post:
    Magic Draining and Speed draining with cold, for phucks sake where is this cold coming from. I can't see a scan of one of abhis chars showing this ability, am I blind! Ok he attacks with his TP, his blasts, absorbs Scoobs magic, attacks his soul, all while at lightspeed with raised triple shields...

    Scoosb Final Post:
    For the first time he asks for scans of Abhis chars having the cold ability. Damn I am not blind after all. I wanted to google it but just waited and am not allowed to inform myself? Hm. Ok, he goes over abhis points like before and stands by his established tactic.

    Me: Time to decide,
    Defense/Attack

    Abhi:
    Jade Shield - Countered by Wood (Magic attack), I see it
    Magneto Shield - Transmuted by Magic, possible
    Starhawk Shields - Need power to overcome them, possible
    Intangibility - Magic attacks, I see it
    TP Resitance - won't work because it's magic, I can see it

    Scoob:
    Invulnerability - negated by the amount of power from Abhi, possible
    TP resistance through Magic - TP attacks from xavier failed, so can't see it
    Invisibility - Countered by Starhwaks precog, doubt it a bit

    Speed:
    Reaction/Combat speed vs travel speed. I think both are equal in an all out fight.
    Speed steal from cold, never saw a scan so don't see it.
    Speed steal from Jay, scan is there.

    So how would this go. I think that Abhis TP wouldn't work out against Enchantress magical TP defense, on the other hand I can see Enchantress Magic affecting Abhis mind, I can see Abhi absorbing magical blasts but such a spell, hmm. This will be a fast fight though, as I see both almost equal in this department, so I can't see them using everything they say at the very same time. I think abhi can blasts through the invulnerability of scoobs and I can see Scooby blasts through Abhi and Abhis need to lower his shields in order to attack. Jade can't insta drain Enchantress imo, didn't see something indicating that she can. Also I have to agree with scoob that the entire starheart is out of reach for this fight, else this would be spite. So Abhi blasts harder imo, his shields should hold but his TP won't, Scoob can bypass his shields with his magic-TP and should he force Abhi to lower his shield I think he will win. From what I have seen Scoobs would simply outlast him. Sure Abhi could also ko him but it would take longer than the other way around, at least that's the impression i got. If Abhi could have negated the speed of Scoobs through the cold aura I would see him as the clear winner but I don't see the scan, honestly I looked it over twice and couldn't find it. So I have to give this to scoobs. But you both did a great job, honestly.
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    Prof. T.C McAbe wrote on Oct 12th, 2015 06:59 AM:
    I want to add something. If Abhi posted a scan of one of his chars having an aura of cold, I would change my decision. I don't doubt that Scoobs char can tank cold easily, I just see it being able to slow him down, so that Abhis damage will be enough. I honestly, looked over the thread and couldn't find the scan. Only scans showing flashes being affected by cold. So this would be my fault to miss it. If it wasn't posted then Scoobs wins.


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