Decent name. I suck at coming up with them. Some of your scans are broken btw, but I understood most of it. Also, fair warning - copy your stuff before you hit preview (if you preview) to re-paste it. It's not saving content in the reply box once you hit the preview button to be able to edit it as you go on
Heís got some impressive shields. The problem is if I touch you, the Nth metal would disrupt the energy. They can hold up to a lot of force, but not against something that negates them.
Dr. Light doesnít really teleport - he just turns into light and then very quickly goes to another location. Itís not the same as say Nightcrawler or Spot. Itís pretty effective, the only problem is that to do that heíd need to turn into light. Unfortunately, my very first move is to negate that possibility.
Illusions and mind raping, eh? Too bad that over and over again, itís been proven that telepathy works within the EM field by Iron Man, Magneto, and others. Here's just one example
Now, telepathy and Anti-TP devices have grown more sophisticated since then and Pym himself has created anti-telepathy devices so advanced P5 Emma didn't even realize she was being blocked - so he knows exactly how to accomplish my goals. So when I dampen the EM spectrum, Iím hitting your two heavy hitters - Cable and Dr. Light - right at their core.
Besides, if you were to try and touch my mind with telepathy, youíd be dealing with a huge psychic backlash leaving yourself wide open.
Thatís a scan of him willingly taking on that property against Spiderman. But yes, with CIS on, Absorbing Man has done some stupid shit. Except that as time has gone on, heís learned not to absorb properties. And CIS is off for the tournament. Plus, Nth Metal disrupts all energy and since I dampened the field, you wouldn't have any blasts hitting me anyway.
On the other hand, my plan completely negates the majority of your powerset and then hits you with gravity + a black hole. KO (taking powers away) to Fatality (black hole to the chest).
I honestly love the scan of a 1000 minds hurting Martain manhunter, but there seems to be a problem here. Martian Manhunter has trouble reading a thousand mines, but the thing is Cable read billions including high level telepaths like Emma, Jean Grey AND xiaver. Manhunter is known for being a jobber, only a couple thousand mind hurting him seems like a low feat tbh.
Although Hawkman has past lifes and can use the nth metal as well as Onimar Synn, he can't really use feats of them doing stuff as proof. Nate grey and cable are technically the "same" person, and super skrull and Doctor light can use their powers just as good (sometimes proving better) as the fantastic four and Kimiyo. But the rules state they must do the feats that they themselves have accomplished. Not their past lives or anyone with similiar and equal power.
Also with that strength feat. That wasn't just a piece of nth metal. That guantlet had the power to amp off the energies of earth. It was specially designed weapon with added abilities no other nth has never done before. It's also an amp which isn't allowed.
Here Pym states that Emma had the ability to override them, and the only reason she didn't was because she was unaware. Cable actually will be aware once he figures out what's wrong. Also Cable has proved to be the better telepath since Emma and xiaver couldn't resist his TP. Pym also states that he installed the Scarmblers around the campus, this shows he needs a little bit of time to set them up. Time you simply don't have. Pym has indeed made black holes devices as well. But that's not standard equipment. So although a good strategy it's considered moot since it isn't standard gear.
Nth metal to my knowledge has never been able to counter this. My plan? Well the blast radius is about the size of a small mountain (scan coming soon). And Absorbing man is still learning how to control his powers. Even at his best he can't help but absorb. My point? What happens when he gets caught up in properties that completey surround him?
Now let's discuss his gravity argument. Although Hawkman has never preformed feats like it let's just for instance say he can. Cable's Tk is much much stronger. And I'm willing to say his TK can shield him from the gravity. How strong is his TK?
So let's recap
1. A thousand minds are nothing to billions
2. Hawkman can't share feats just because he's as good as someone. That allows me to share feats with Nate, F4, and kimiyo
3. The only real strength feat brought up was with a certain guantlet that amped his strength with the energies of Earth. That isn't allowed. Hawkman didn't do it either the guantlet did all the work
4._ Nothing counters Skrulls anti matter and hyperspace energies
5. The only real impressive one he TP blocked was Emma who wasn't even paying close attention. Nor using anything close to the power she had at that point
6. His transmitters and black hole devices (both stating to need to be installed) can easily be torn apart by Cables TK. They are also not part of standard gear.
7. Hawkman hasn't preformed most of the feats given by Blair
8. My guy is extremely faster (more backing it up later)
9. Shrinking causes him to lose Nth metal making him more vulnerable. And Cable has feats on Celluar, genetic, atomic, and molecular scales
10. Creel has learned how to not absorb certain properties. I use none of those making the point.
11. I can easily blast him with Anti matter causing him to absorb it. Cause we all know what happens when he gets surrounded by a large portion of properties.
12. Cables TK is much more powerful than his gravity control
13. More instantaneous shields
14. I'm still invisible
15. After destroying the transmitters I can teleport with cable (scans coming soon)
16. Can still create illusions
17. Mind rape is still a go
18. Now I can blast him with Anti matter till he turns
19. It turns out power scaling isn't allowed and only feats are allowed. So the scaling to 300 feet is mute
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Cableís pretty powerful - but Nth metal absorbs psychic energy just as much as it absorbs or disrupts pretty much any energy source itís ever encountered. You wonít be able to actually hurt me with mindbolts or read my mind telepathically - and that all assumes that your psychic powers are even working since I essentially shut them down.
Thatís all fine, but Hawkman is an exception. He doesnít just have access to the same powers as Onimar, but the same knowledge on how to use them. Itís intrinsic to the very reason that they (thanagar) required him. Heís just never had enough of the stuff to do what Synn has done - he even states as much here: http://s125.photobucket.com/user/DC...001-21.jpg.html
But each time he has more than normal, heís never ever had a problem using itís more exotic powers (see below, on the Superman punch for an example of this).
The fact of the matter is, Iím using the nth metal I own and giving Hawkman access to more Nth metal - enough to be able to do the same things Onimar Synn was. Only better because Hank Pym is a scientific genius.
Superman Punched by the Planet
Because of that, it has properties that seem ďspecialĒ to it, but itís just more of the same exact thing that all Nth metal can do. In the case of punching Superman, it was drawing from itís control of the EM spectrum and using that energy to punch with enough force to essentially ďhit you with the planetĒ. http://s125.photobucket.com/user/DC...-04-19.jpg.html
It actually helps prove the fact that Hawkman with access to large quantities of Nth metal (read: now my entire body) can easily and fundamentally utilize Nth metalís more exotic properties since heís done so in the past. There should no longer be any doubt that Hawkman has access to all of the same powers as Onimar Synn (read: GRAND UNIFIED THEORY) since I now have a larger supply than Hawkman has ever had access to.
No Tech, Just Phenomenal Cosmic Power!!
UmmÖ.what? I showed evidence that Pym knows the scientific method by which to block telepathy, teleportation, and create a black hole to indicate that given the innate power Nth Metal has over the Grand Unified Theory, heíd be able to effortlessly apply that knowledge to itís desired outcome. Iím not placing technology around the battlefield - Iím skipping the middle man and going straight to nullifying your powers.
Hawkman, with his gauntlet, was able to effortlessly pull in power from the Earthís core. Giving him access to the Nth Metal + Pymís smarts is enough to allow me to utilize the Grand Unified Theory. And my game plan is completely different than what Onimar Synn did - Iím just using him as a basis to show what Nth Metal allows you to do.
That was only said if something were to go wrong in my plans. Everything went according to plan, so my original plan stands - but the micro-verse is sub-atomic (http://marvel.com/universe/Microverse) so I really doubt Cable could do much of anything if I desired to go down that small.
Nth Metal: Absorber. Disrupter. Ruiner of Plans
Itís what Nth Metal does. Considering my entire body is now Nth Metal, Iíd just be passing through like a hot knife through butter. Here the nth metal disrupts Kanjor Ro's energy field (drawn from the fabric of space/time) when Superman, Wonder Woman and even John Stewart couldn't break or manipulate the energy.
I think youíre missing the point that the Nth Metal absorbs energy. Or disrupts it. Absorbing Man isnít going to be dealing with it himself, the metal will do the job for him. Itís absorbed magic, psychic energy, energy blasts, solar energy, it controls gravity, the EM spectrum, and Strong/Weak force.
Decter's Nullified Plan
Your original plan was to bombard me with Light Blasts and Psychic Blasts - but I nullified those abilities (with my control over the EM spectrum), and even without that step, the Nth Metal just absorbs both of those. Iím untouchable by your character. Youíre best bet is to try and get physical with me, and even then if a gauntlet was able to outpunch Superman, how much is an entire body of Nth metal going to be able to do? I'd be like the One Punch Man - and your body would disintegrate.
Thatís the most blatant hyperbole Iíve ever seen. It didnít happen.
On the other hand, sufficient Nth Metal proves to be able to move, via gravity, a Superman-level being to another celestial body (think about the size of that. The distance from our Earth to our Moon is 238,900 miles. Thatís a long phucking road trip). http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Ma.../24-15.jpg.html
Besides, you wonít have your psychic abilities (dampened EM spectrum field) and all Iím looking to do is hold you in place for a second with the full weight of gravity I can muster (which, if the Gauntlet can punch with the strength of the planet using magnetism, imagine a full body of Nth Metal using the force of gravity - if all things are equal, Iím pushing against you with the force of multiple planets). Then using that gravity to create a black hole.
-nth metal can absorb psychic energy
-Shut them down
Bishop and Havok can absorb energy. You know what they all three have in common? They all have a limit. I have not seen one feat on a level of Cable's to suggest otherwise. Also Pym already stated Emma could have overpowered it if she would have known, cable is by far a better telepath then her.
-Hawkman is an exception with sharing feats since he has knowledge as Onimar
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No he is not. Gundam already made it clear that they must do it themselves in order for it to be valid. All the green lanterns have the exact knowledge on how to use their rings. But you still can't share feats. Hal Jordan has beaten far more knowledgeable and experienced GLs before. In fact it was stated that super skrull not only had the powers of the F4, but was more powerful with them as well. Doesn't matter since it would still be sharing feats if I used one of theirs.
-The claw was thr largest piece of nth metal he had ever had
-Superman hit with a planet
Okay after doing my own research it would seem I had been mislead. Doesn't really matter tho. The fact remains that Hawkman had to amp himself to that level. It had to draw power from the Earth's core amping the guantlet to even get close to superman level. So the one strength feat you actually posted was of him amping himself (which isn't allowed) to hurt superman.
-I just showed proof that Pym knows the scientific method to block telepathy and teleportation and create black holes
You also posted him himself stating that he needed to install them as well. Gravity makes black holes yes but Hawkman doesn't have a single feat of making Gravity anywhere near the level of a black hole. Um.....how is he blocking my TP without his transmitters? By absorbing the energy with nth metal? You said he had transmitters (useless as he even stated emma to be able to overpower it) but now your saying your not using tech? I'm a bit confused on this post so I'll go over it later.
-Hawkman was able to pull from the Earths core
-Using onimar as a basis of what I can do
It doesn't matter how much you give Hawkman cause he lacks the legitment feats. You don't get to scale, they must have historically done it themselves. Rules even state so.
-Kanjor Ro's energy field (drawn from the fabric of space/time) when Superman, Wonder Woman and even John Stewart couldn't break or manipulate the energy.
The scans posted aren't working for me. So I can't read. Just send them to me via PM from different links so you don't have to correct during one of your post. Also you do realize space and hyperspace aren't the same thing right?
-I think youíre missing the point that the Nth Metal absorbs energy. Or disrupts it. Absorbing Man isnít going to be dealing with it himself, the metal will do the job for him. Itís absorbed magic, psychic energy, energy blasts, solar energy, it controls gravity, the EM spectrum, and Strong/Weak force.
I won't deny is disrupts energy but the only thing it actually counters is Dr. Light. Half the stuff you posted was not onimar. Even if Hawkman has the same knowledge it doesn't matter. He must have historically done it himself.
-Iím untouchable by your character. Youíre best bet is to try and get physical with me, and even then if a gauntlet was able to outpunch Superman, how much is an entire body of Nth metal going to be able to do? I'd be like the One Punch Man - and your body would disintegrate.
Not really. You have one good TP resistant feat I've seen so far and it was because manhunter got hurt by thousands of minds. You seem to forget Cable read Billions INCLUDING top level telepaths like Emma, Jean, and Xiaver. Also that one guantlet had to amp of the Earths core increasing Hawkmans physically. Drawing from the Earth's core and growing BOTH break the rules.
-Thatís the most blatant hyperbole Iíve ever seen. It didnít happen
You know what else didn't happen? Half the shit your tryna pull with Hawkman. I posted that for a reason to draw you out. Writers said he had the power to but he never did. Writers said Hawkman has the same knowledge but he never preformed even half the stuff you posted.
-Besides, you wonít have your psychic abilities (dampened EM spectrum field) and all Iím looking to do is hold you in place for a second with the full weight of gravity I can muster (which, if the Gauntlet can punch with the strength of the planet using magnetism, imagine a full body of Nth Metal using the force of gravity - if all things are equal, Iím pushing against you with the force of multiple planets). Then using that gravity to create a black hole.
Hawkman never showed to be able to dampen the EM spectrum field to stop someone like cable from hurting him.
Hawkman never showed gravity control that could hold down someone with hulk like strength. Make him fly around using anti gravity? Sure. Hold him down by strengthening it? No.
Hawkman has never made a black hole.
All the things you listed were from him amping from the Earths core or stuff he didn't do himself.
Now as I said before Cable's TK is WAY more powerful then anything Hawkman has done with his gravity. Multiple planets? Yeah pretty sure Surfers board is a much better feat (since cable actually did his feat on panel :^) )
Now lets move on to my characters horrendous speed advantage.
Literally with the combination of Cables TK and Skrulls speed (cable has some decent speed feats to) there is no way in hell he will be able to tag me.
The fighting ability of cable is also top notch. Hawkman ain't no joke I won't lie, but cable with skill alone (while weakened and no where near his god levels) was able to put the smacking on apocalypse. And we all know apocalypse ain't no pushover.
Nth Metal hasnít been shown to have a limit. Itís the best. Itís taken on energy of every kind and kept on going. You should get some of it. The more the merrier.
Green Lantern Hal and Green Lantern Kyle can both create a construct - thatís not up for debate. Hawkman, with enough Nth metal, can control the same fundamental aspects of the universe as Onimar Synn. Thatís not up for debate.
Heís the only one with the knowledge as he actually absorbed all the racial memories of Thanagar - which included the knowledge lost to Thanagar on how to use Nth metal to itís fullest potential, and he got that knowledge from the Nth Metal itself. http://oi64.tinypic.com/11vqq08.jpg
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The main problem with your argument is that Iím not sharing the exact feats. How my characters will, together, use that power is completely different. Iím not saying that my character does exactly what Onimar Synn does. I am, however, showing what Nth Metal is capable of. A Green Lantern needs a ring and willpower. An Nth Metal user needs knowledge and lots of Nth Metal. I have both. And then Iím basing my strategy on tactics Pym has utilized in the past.
More to the point, my character is using Hank Pymís scientific feats paired with access to large amounts of Nth metal for my strategy. Heís doing what he does best - finding a solution to the problem your character represents.
Pym has proven heís able to nullify psionic powers because he knowís how they operate on a scientific level, something heís then applied with his tech
Hawkman knows how to operate Nth metal
Nth Metal has proven itís able to nullify powers and the EM spectrum.
Pym uses the Nth metal to produce the results he wants - without needing his technology.
Itís both of these characters, together, that makes me so deadly. Youíre harping on Hawkman, but I have access to
large amounts of Nth Metal (Absorbing Man/Pym),
the knowledge on how to utilize it (Hawkman),
and the knowledge on how to apply it (Pym). Iím then using the knowledge that Pym has to control the Grand Unified Theory set of powers in a way that completely nullifies your characters.
But it does matter. It proves Hawkman is able to utilize Nth Metal to do more than just fly and heal. Judges, Decter basically just admitted that for all his talk about Hawkman not being able utilize the Nth metal properly, he knows he can. And with more Nth Metal than Hawkman has had access to previously, there is zero reason he wouldnít be able to utilize it to greater effect.
What? Thatís like saying that Goku canít draw in power to do a kamemaha wave. The amping rule is definitely not that - it was made so that someone like Lightray wouldnít sundip Superman. In this case, Hawkman used a piece thatís part of his arsenal and punched the shit out of Superman with his control over the EM spectrum, since the Nth Metalís power is to control the Four Fundamental Forces of the Universe.
Pym stated Emma could do something against his transmitter - but thatís not the same as giving Pym access to the EM Spectrum, knowing how to shut down telepathy, and then nullifying said telepathy.
Which, we should maybe note again, telepathy/psionic abilities are a part of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. Pym knows this, he knows how telepathy works and has jammed it himself, against Phoenix Emma no less. It doesn't matter if she could work around it eventually - the pause and distraction is all I need to launch my gravity based attack. And Pym isn't the only one who's proven that psionics operate under via the electromagnetic spectrum.
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And I now control the Electro-Magnetic Spectrum.
With power over the Electro-Magnetic Spectrum, Pymís now able to pull an Iron Man/Magneto and jam your psionic abilities. Jam Dr. Lightís control over photonís. Nth Metal has shown to nullify abilities (it did it to both Flash and Dr. Fate). Pym + Nth Metal = You have no powers.
So, Dr. Light is countered by your assessment. Cable would also be countered by mine as psionic energy has also been proven to be absorbed by Nth Metal. Which is a moot point since Iím nullifying the EM spectrum around your character and psionic energy is also proven to work via the EM spectrum.
Nope. Growing isnít an amp, itís part of Pymís powerset. He can increase his own physical prowess. And Nth Metal falls under the materials rule. And the Nth metal using itís power to control and absorb energy is most definitely not an amp.
One is hyperbole because it never happened with the powers Cable was stated to have and was stated as hyperbole via narrative. The other is a very smart extrapolation of facts - because Hawkman has said he could, but hasnít had access to large amounts of Nth Metal, or had the scientific brains (Pym in this case) to properly apply the power.
Hawkman has never had access to so much Nth metal. Pym has made a black hole device. He knows the science. Hawkman knows Nth metal. Nth metal has proven to control the Four Fundamental Forces of the Universe. Proven to nullify powers, magic, the EM Spectrum. I donít need Onimar Synn, I have a better combo.
Things Decter has conceded to in this post:
Nth Metal protects me from energy (his argument about Absorbing Man being nulled)
That the Claw of Horus was Nth Metal based - showing us that Hawkman can actually access Nth metals more exotic abilities.
Nth Metal protects me from light (claiming this will only stop Dr. Light).
Heís left with Cable and Super Skrull. Unfortunately, Cableís power operates on the EM Spectrum and his only method of attack (psionics) have also been proven to be absorbed by Nth Metal. Surferís board wasnít made to absorb the energy, but this is what Nth Metal does.
Decter admits to Dr. Light being countered by Nth Metal
Decter admits to the Claw of Horus feat being Nth Metal + Hawkman
Decter admits that Nth metal can absorb energy, protecting me from his Absorbing Man argument.
By my strategy, Dr. Light is countered by Nth Metal and my ability to nullify the EM spectrum
By my strategy, Cable is countered by Nth Metal and my ability to nullify the EM spectrum
Because Pym knows how to create a black hole, making gravity do his bidding should be zero problem.
Then the only thing left is hyperspace bubbles. Because Nth Metal has so easily dealt with energy in the past - even things that are not technically energy, like magic, spacetime, psionics - we can assume hyperspace bubbles will not be a problem. Not that it's a major factor as I've nullified 2/3 of his combo and then gravity bombed him. A black hole is going to kill him no matter what.
Decter, lets call it. You die. Mercy killing. What do you say?
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_______ "-Nth Metal hasnít been shown to have a limit. Itís the best. Itís taken on energy of every kind and kept on going"
That's a legitment No Limits Fallacy argument. Superman has also absorbed a shit ton of different energies yet I wouldn't argue him absorbing cosmic energy
_______ "-Green Lantern Hal and Green Lantern Kyle can both create a construct - thatís not up for debate. Hawkman, with enough Nth metal, can control the same fundamental aspects of the universe as Onimar Synn. Thatís not up for debate."
You missed the point entirely. They both can do the same thing however The character must preform it themselves. Your right it's not up for debate, since it's an illegal tactic.
_______ "-Heís the only one with the knowledge as he actually absorbed all the racial memories of Thanagar."
Again the rules state Hawkman must have historically done these feats himself. It's an illegal tactic.
_______ "-The main problem with your argument is that Iím not sharing the exact feats. How my characters will, together, use that power is completely different. Iím not saying that my character does exactly what Onimar Synn does. I am, however, showing what Nth Metal is capable of."
Using another character's feats and then saying will use something similar but not the same is still sharing feats. Again, hawkman has never ever preformed said feats, so the point is mute at best.
_______ "- A Green Lantern needs a ring and willpower. An Nth Metal user needs knowledge and lots of Nth Metal."
A green lantern also needs his own feats. Even if you tried this argument with a GL ot would still be an illegal tactic. Again Hawkman has had to preformed these feats for them to be valid.
_______ "-But it does matter. It proves Hawkman is able to utilize Nth Metal to do more than just fly and heal. Judges, Decter basically just admitted that for all his talk about Hawkman not being able utilize the Nth metal properly, he knows he can"
You must be misreading my post. I said Hawkman was never preformed the feats that you keep trying to share with onimar. All hawkman did was amp which is the only thing you showed that he has historically done. Amping isn't making black holes. Amping isn't nullifying Telepaths. Amping is illegal and it's the only thing he did.
_______ "-What? Thatís like saying that Goku canít draw in power to do a kamemaha wave. The amping rule is definitely not that - it was made so that someone like Lightray wouldnít sundip Superman. In this case, Hawkman used a piece thatís part of his arsenal and punched the shit out of Superman with his control over the EM spectrum"
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Uh no you're amping and that is a terrible example. Goku's energy comes from his own body and power that is naturally making itself in him. His spirit bomb, however, draws the energy of every living thing including the Earth which is considered a amped attack. He had to draw POWER from the EARTH to even do shit to superman. Are you saying drawing power from a different source isn't amping? In fact you just gave me a fine example on Lightray/superman combo that show that you are amping.
Growing to increase his OWN strength doesn't qualify as amping (which it is even tho he denies it), but growing to increase AM/Hawkman's strength DOES qualify as amping just as a Lightray/Superman combo would. Same principal in both cases, one characters powerset is being used to geometrically increase the powers of another character.
_______ "-Pym stated Emma could do something against his transmitter but thatís not the same as giving Pym access to the EM Spectrum, knowing how to shut down telepathy, and then nullifying said telepathy."
Naw he flat out said he was SURE she could have overridden them. However she was not paying attention so she was using her scanning TP (her lowest automatic form of TP). Problem is you still have failed to bring out a feat of hawkman canceling TP. The only one brought up was The thousand minds one with manhunter (which is a very low feat for manhunter) while on the other hand Cable read the minds of billions of people including high level telepaths.
_______ "-Which, we should maybe note again, telepathy/psionic abilities are a part of the Electro-Magnetic spectrum. Pym knows this, he knows how telepathy works and has jammed it himself, against Phoenix Emma no less."
Just gonna say this now that Phoenix Emma isn't all that impressive. That was Rachel Summers Phoenix and her with it is only listed as mid herald. Not only that you are ignoring context. Emma did not have the full powered Phoenix that Rachel(a mid herald) had. She only had 1/5th of it thanks to iron man splitting it up in AVX. Not only that she wasn't even paying attention at all, she was only focusing on destroying the robot not worried about excessing her TP. So yeah not as impressive as your making it out to be
_______ "-the pause and distraction is all I need to launch my gravity based attack."
Seeing how my character is far faster than yours and cable's mind was able to sense, react, AND put up a shield against a FTL attack that had alresdy been in motion you defiantly ain't doing crap.
Oh yeah I never mentioned Cable's shields did I? Silly me. Remember how he broke Surfers board with TK? Did you know his shields are the same TK energy? Did you know he can put these up instantly? Yeah your character ain't touching mine.
_______ "-And Pym isn't the only one who's proven that psionics operate under via the electromagnetic spectrum."
Still waiting for a scan of hawkman controlling the EM spectrum
_______ "-And I now control the Electro-Magnetic Spectrum."
Waiting for a scan of hawkman dampening the EM spectrum be like
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_______ "-Nope. Growing isnít an amp, itís part of Pymís powerset. He can increase his own physical prowess. And Nth Metal falls under the materials rule."
Your not increasing Pym's set tho. You are increasing both Hawkman AND Creel because of it. Which is considered a amp because your using one character's power to increase your other two's power and abilities. So yep. That's amping.
_______ "-One is hyperbole because it never happened with the powers Cable was stated to have and was stated as hyperbole via narrative."
Again my point is the even with the arthur stating he has it, the tourney requires that your character must HISTORICALLY preform the feats himself.
_______ "-Hawkman has never had access to so much Nth metal. Pym has made a black hole device. He knows the science. Hawkman knows Nth metal."
Hawkman has never created a black hole so the point is mute. Knowing how to make and having the ability to make are two different things.
_______ -Nth Metal protects me from energy (his argument about Absorbing Man being nulled)"
You said the Nth metal absorbs energy. This will ultimately be your downfall Creel's power is to absorb whatever he touches as I have shown. If the nth metal is absorbing energy like you say then Creel is absorbing it to.
_______ "-Heís left with Cable and Super Skrull. Unfortunately, Cableís power operates on the EM Spectrum and his only method of attack (psionics) have also been proven to be absorbed by Nth Metal."
What your not getting is that you still need to show hawkman preforming the stuff onimar did for it to be a valid argument. I haven't seen a feat yet that that would prove he could resist Cable's TP
_______ "-Decter admits that Nth metal can absorb energy, protecting me from his Absorbing Man argument."
Not really. You ****ed yourself on this one. Absorbing man weakness is that he absorbs everything he touches. If the nth metal absorbs energy that's the exact same thing as absorbing man absorbing it (since you are nth metal). Thus, no matter what you will be your own doom if you attempt to abosrb energy.
_______ "-My ability to nullify the EM spectrum"
Where has hawkman nullified the EM spectrum?
_______ "-By my strategy, Cable is countered by Nth Metal and my ability to nullify the EM spectrum"
Hawkman never used the EM spectrum to nullify TP. And you have failed to show hawkman being able to counter someone on Cables TP level.
_______ "-Because Pym knows how to create a black hole, making gravity do his bidding should be zero problem."
It is a problem since you haven't backed up Hawkman having the ability to make a black hole.
_______ "-Then the only thing left is hyperspace bubbles. Because Nth Metal has so easily dealt with energy in the past - even things that are not technically energy, like magic, spacetime, psionics - we can assume hyperspace bubbles will not be a problem."
That's a legitment No Limits Fallacy your tryna pull there. Characters like Rulk and superman have both absorbed many different kinds of energy. But I'm not going to apply that and say superman can absorb cosmic energy pr say that rulk can absorb the energies of a 5D imp.
_______ "-A black hole is going to kill him no matter what."
Knowing how to create a black hole and having the ability are two different things. Whem has Hawkman ever used gravity even close to that.
The claw of horus (which btw isn't apart of Hawkmans standard gear) was able to destroy Onimar Synns nth metal body. How did a couple pounds of nth metal destroy Onimar? Easily explained my friend because I was right from the get go. The claw is actually the most powerful nth weapon ever made and was the only thing that could stop onimar.
And his healing factor took an entire day (probably more) to heal an arm back and he still wasn't in any condition to fight http://i.imgur.com/MSCx2Le.png
A nth metal ship that crashed from orbit had some serious damages on the side it landed on. Guess what? It didn't regenerate. Turns out nth metal needs a living source to make it properties work at fullest. Becoming nth metal itself means you aren't alive and can't use some of your abilities
Hank's unstable mind makes him a lot easier to manipulate. It also makes you lose focus and also hinders you from countering. I can literally post a illusion of Dr. Light banging Hank's girl and Hank will have a mental breakdown making him easier to control.
Nth metal can't absorb explosive energy
Skrulls antimatter control is a huge advanatge since
1. Touching it will cause absorbing man to turn into it especially if I continually bomb you with it due to my speed advantage.
2. Nth metal doesn't absorb explosive energy or anything too hot
Even if nth metal does absorb energy. He needs to remember that abosrobing man IS the nth metal. Adding extra absorbing power would make it worse for his team not better. Hank has had many mental breakdowns and absorbing man is an idiot. Your wanting to combine thousands of minds with Hank who created a dangerous weapon (and slapped Janet) just because he was stressed and having a bad day.
My character is far faster. I'd be able to go 1.999 times the speed of light (since we can't go double) and blitz you with a bunch of shit
Blair states all he needs is a moment of hesitation to enact his attack with gravity. Judges he fails to realize that my character could do my entire opening before he even touched himself (insert scoobless here). Not only do I have amazing reaction and speed feats. I have the ability to sense danger.
Blair states that because hank pym knows how to create black holes then that means he can easily make them in battle. What he fails to realizes is that no nth metal (I don't even think onimar did) has ever made a black hole. So how can he make a black hole with nth metal when no one has ever made a black hole with nth metal?
Blair states his combo is not amping since it follows the materials rules and said that a Lightray/superman would be amping. What he fails to realize is that Growing to increase his OWN strength doesn't qualify as amping (which it is even tho he denies it), but growing to increase AM/Hawkman's strength DOES qualify as amping just as a Lightray/Superman combo would. Same principal in both cases, one characters powerset is being used to geometrically increase the powers of another character. I said this already. He will deny facts.
Blair states that since its absorb all kinds of energies (expect explosions, Antimatter, hyperspace, and hasn't absorbed pure kinetic energy either from what I know) that he has the right to automatically assume he can absorb all energies. That is a legitimate No limits fallacy. Rulk, Vulcan, and superman have all absorbed a shit ton of different energies. But I wouldn't argue them being able tp absorb all of them.
Blair states that since onimar have similar knowledge and abilities with nth metal that he can use onimar as a basis to share feats. This goes against the rules seeing how hawkman must historically do them himself. That's like saying you can share martian manhunters feats with Miss martian.
In fact, a better example is the green lanterns. Let's take 2 random GLs for example real quick.
Both green lanterns have access to their rings which are both equal in power. They can't share feats.
Both Green lanterns have the same amount of will power. Rules state they still can't share feats.
Both green lanterns have they same knowledge on the Rings and willpower. Rules state they still can't share feats.
So no matter how bad you want to you simply can't share feats. They must have historically done it themselves.
Blair states that Goku using his Ki and hawkman absorbing energies from the earth are similar since he used it as a example. This is false. Goku's ki comes natural and is apart of his body. Hawkman needed to absorb the energies of the earth to do anything to superman. A better example is Goku's spirit bomb which also gathers energy from all living things including the earth. Both the spirit bomb and thw Claw absorb energy from the earth to amp its power. That is illegal. The claw also isn't even apart of Hawkmans standard gear.
He's numeresly brought up Emma. Who stated by pym, said he was sure if she knew about his devices that she could have overpowered them. This is also Emma with 1/5 of the Rachel Summers Phoenix. Someone who is listed as mid herald in our tier list.
Blair states since he has nth metal he can cancel out my TP and TK (well I haven't seen a counter for TK yet so....). This is false. Based on feats there isn't anyone on Cable's level whose TP failed against nth metal. Even fadeaway man tricked hawkman into almost killing hawkgirl by using illusions. Also Hawkmans thousands of minds aren't nothing to Cable who read billions and some of the top tier telepaths at the same time.
Now back to my opening
I should be able to accomplish everything in my opening post before hawkman even moves a inch. Including Dr. Light's spam of light rays. Blair has no shields and is moving far slower than me. Hawkman only has a few notable speed feats which are highly inconsistent. There was one where he had to focus his entire mind on one spot on flash (who was just barely moving a couple times faster than supersonic so he didn't **** up the place they were in) and even then flash was there for a while and it took minutes for hawkman to find him. Not only that Flash was only moving side to side so it wasn't like flash was going fast.
Dr. Light was only countered if you were able to do your stuff. But seeing how my speed advantage is far greator I should be able to complete my opening thousands of times before you even touched yourself. So bombarding you with light isn't out of the question. And even if that didn't work I'm still fast enough to bombard you with anti matter and hyperspace energies. Not too mention cables Badass TP being at work.
So, if a Green Lantern has never picked his nose, on panel, with a construct, itís completely illegal to use in this tournament? lmao No. Look, my amalgam is new. Itís a homebrewed Onimar Synn. But the point of an amalgam is to put all the pieces together. A lot of intelligent people knew what he would do once he was put together. Iím sorry if you donít like what he can do once itís all one character. But Iíve proven Nth Metal capable of the feats Iím wanting it to do. Iíve proven Pym smart enough to power dampen and create black holes. 2+2 = 4.
What is Amping?
Are you kidding me? You are drawing some really weird lines with what is an amp and what isnít. Your own characters are allowed to draw in energy/power - it just canít be the fuel source for another character: ie, Lightray + Superman for a sundipped Superman. If you had used Dr. Light to draw in all available light and used it in a massive attack, I wouldnít have cried out ďfoul!!!Ē Itís a legit part of his powerset.
The much used amping rule:
Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)
In fact, one more time:
Itís literally in the rule that itís what I stated (Ray + Kara). Thatís the core of the rule. My character doesnít do that - he grows and turns himself into Nth metal. Heís not empowering Hawkman or Absorbing Man. There are others who agree
But youíve spent the entire match worried about my Nth Metal Giant and what does or doesnít constitute an amp, arguing about the legality of a strategy of characters where a) EVERYONE knew what I was going to do and b) passed the muster of the host of the tournament twice when I asked him about it because *I* was worried people were going to throw my picks under a bus.
Nth Metal: Material Rule
Now, Iím sorry if the Nth Metal is a powerful metal, but itís a material. Falls under the material rule. Both Psycho (host) and Id (the one who formulated the rules, and Psycho is giving precedence to) have said that. And the line starts there.
If everyone wants me to redraft (if I win), fine. I can do that. But that should have been dealt with during the draft. Not in a match, especially since everyone expected the strategy.
Judges, when a characterís strategy completely negates your own, your last defense is to pick at the legality of the opponent's strat. Itís a last ditch effort. Thatís all Decterís done the entire match.
In fact, hereís the Nth Metal argument coup de gr‚ce.
Decterís been complaining about Onimar Synn and Hawkman not being him, etc etc. So I just wanted to point out: this is an Nth Metal solo feat. Onimar is not anywhere near the prison at the time, heís in his throne room talking to the Hawks and kicking them off his floating castle. The Nth metal, by itself, was power dampening both the FLASH and DR. FATE.
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Now can we agree that Hawkman + Pym with tons of Nth Metal will be just fine?
The Claw of Horus is just a big piece of Nth Metal. Itís the biggest piece that Hawkman has used personally and look what heís been able to do with it. Itís only distinction is that it was part of the Nth Metal that crash landed on earth and psychically bonded to Prince Khufu. The Hawk-team were able to exploit that psychic link, one theyíve had for generations per the scans I showed previously, after Onimar bonded with it. There is zero evidence that suggests the Claw is ďthe most powerful nth metal weapon ever madeĒ. Thatís some super hyperbole on your part.
UhÖ..are you using Hawkman from the New 52??? Thatís a completely different continuity. Besides, those are all of Hawkman with limited amounts of Nth Metal. Let's be honest, it changes things significantly when my entire being is Nth Metal.
Thatís like saying having alcohol in front of Stark is an auto-win. It doesnít work like that. Besides, Hawkman provides mental toughness.
And just to re-iterate, for funsies, and with big pretty pictures, letís note that Pym, ďthe mentally challengedĒ, was able to Power Dampen Loki, block Phoenix Emmaís TP, block The Mutant Sisterís TP, block Pixies magical teleportation, and created a device that produced a black hole. Just imagine him with Nth Metal!
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Ö..except that scan just shows a TK blast. And it doesnít show Iron Man utilizing the tactic. SoÖ?
Ö...in what universe has Dr. Light ever gone faster than light? None. In fact, the only times heís ever traveled at the speed of light is when heís actually been light. Since legality is your favorite tactic:
Too bad you wasted your very first move in turning invisible and then, I quote,
So while you move away from me, Iíve done what I need to do to face you. Check. Mate.
I like it when the opponent admits defeat. Thank you. Since I was, as you say, able to do my stuff, Iíll take my win.
SUMMARY OF EVENTS: Compare and Contrast
Blair Wind Strategy
I touch myself and grow giant sized (300ft)
AOE Power Dampening
I close my eyes and simply power dampen the entire EM field around the battlefield - the same way the Nth Metal prison stopped Flash from using his aura and Dr. Fate from spellcasting. The same way Hank stopped the Cuckooís and Phoenix from using mind control/telepathy or letting Pixie teleport. That, at the very very least, is going to cause a hiccup with both Cable (psionic) and Dr. Lightís powers.
AOE Gravity makes Black Holes
I then make gravity all around us heavy - Iím going to grab him like Onimar Synn grabbed Black Adam (without looking at him, just felt him with gravity). If Nth Metal allows for gravity control from a planet to a moon then the .5 mile(?) distance all around me should be absolutely no problem. And then Iím going to bust a black hole on his chest.
And since Black Holes are these pesky little things that donít let light escape, heís going to have a really big problem getting out of this alive. If he turns into light, well he has two problems - I just power dampened the EM field so itís very probable he canít. Second, that does him no good as the black hole will still just suck him dry.
Now, if he manages to hit me with a psychic bolt or light - Iíll just absorb/disrupt it. With normal amounts of Nth Metal this wouldnít be possible, but since Iím now completely Nth Metal (including my internal organs/brain) - itís the only option.
And if things got physical, considering Iím a giant with extremely enhanced strength - if the Claw of Horus (a few pounds of pure Nth Metal) can basically knock Superman out, if Hawkman with limited amounts of it can hang with Black Adam and Wonder Woman, imagine a 300ft giant (already strong) made entirely of Nth metal (made even stronger) - I can straight up punch through his shields or him. In addition to the strength, the Nth Metal Form would just disrupt anything he throws my way.
Prep: Make Shields
Since prep was only to get shields up I will take advantage of that with my boy super skrull
Super skrull (as we all know) has the ability to turn COMPLETY invisible.
Teleport Away From Original Location
While Invisible (with shields up and shields are a part of Skrull that can move to his will). I teleport from where I was to a different spot to make my location much safer. Now my opponent doesn't have a clue where I am, and doesn't even know my location anymore.
(BW Note: He doesnít have actual teleportation. He can turn into light and speed away)
Mind Rape + Illusions at the same time
Next thing is simple. Keep him busy, confused, and wear him down with illusions while also trying to mind rape him at the same time.
And with him distracted, confused, and continually being exhausted I can easily blast him with Dr. Light
Later changed tactics to "anti-matter" blasts, something that was mentioned once in SS's origin and then never touched on again. He just has normal flames after that.
Decter: Make Shields
Decter: Turn Invisible
BW: Power Dampen the EM spectrum AOE
Decter: Teleport to a different location (but close enough to attack BW), by turning into light
BW: Gravity Attack to Black Hole
Decter: Tries to use Psychic Abilities and Light for Illusions - both powers that need the EM spectrum, but those powers have been dampened.
BW: Finished. Decterís actually dead.
Decter: Tries to blast with Light - but can't escape the pull of gravity
Essentially, all of Decter's plans rely on using the EM spectrum. By negating him of that resource via an AOE attack, he's left crippled with 1 character to do anything with. Now, Pym knows what goes into making a black hole. He's created devices that create them before. Now having power enough to create one, there's literally nothing he can do to get out alive. Honestly, he's lucky I can't offensively matter manipulate him. I'd negate the bonds of his atoms completely.
Judges, I hope you've found the match entertaining. Thanks for doing what you do.