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ok, nothing terribly tricky here my dear judges. to exactly no one's surprise, bazie's entire premise is faulty and he's asked the completely wrong question--as he usually does. his opening, like most of his posts, is completely irrelevant. The question he SHOULD have asked was: how on earth will monica actually hit Superman??

she is a light speeder, which against most is pretty fast. against superman?

i'm not gonna bog this down with a 100 scans of what should, by this time, be common knowledge, but i’ll show a bunch more if needed. For the moment, a couple will do. for example, here he CASUALLY, and from a distance, tracks light speed signals moving inside a ship's tech:

http://i.imgur.com/o8dxyCf.jpg

this one explains how he can do that. It seems he can measure time between nano-seconds:

https://i.imgur.com/t0f0z45.jpg

which, may be said to be hyperbole. but:

https://imgur.com/a/MWS7r

http://i.imgur.com/nR1kt6j.jpg

He is capable of moving and functioning within the space of nanoseconds.

i can post scan after scan of superman performing feats not only FTL, but wayyyy the phukc FTL. the conclusion is inescapable: monica is slower than superman by LITERALLY ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

Here is just one direct comparison:

Monica has to fly out to just past the orbit of pluto. Pluto’s orbit is typically in the neighbourhood of 6 light hours away. It takes her 7 to reach the ship she is looking for:

https://imgur.com/a/asMaxmY

Superman otoh, hears Jimmy’s watch and flies into town shortly after--from VEGA.

https://imgur.com/a/DGW2o

Google it. i’ll save the trouble--that’s 25 light YEARS away.

now, go ahead and google how far light travels in a nanosecond. i'll wait....

yeah, about ONE FOOT!

what's our starting distance again? oh yeah, 500 METERS. i'll let you do the math. suffice to say i have a lot of time to react to her “attack”.

monica has a couple feats where people seem to be frozen from her perspective because she can move at light speed. superman can perceive and react so much faster than she can, that he is able to see her the way she sees most people.

she'd need to have several feats that show her acting and reacting at speeds WAY beyond light speed (not some random piece of one-off PIS) to even make speed a discussion. if i wanted to, i could simply avoid her the whole time, easily.

no need to. being made of electromagnetic energy, she is susceptible to an EMP. like so:

https://imgur.com/a/2lbA6y3

So i hit her with a much larger one:

https://imgur.com/a/3uMpW

staggered now, i can do several things to her. If she is staggered and rendered into her human form for even an instant, she’s obviously dead. No real reason why a larger emp wouldn’t stun her. She’s been staggered and reverted to human a few times:

If she is still conscious, i could encase her in an electrostatic/electromagnetic shield. She’s been trapped multiple times. Here are just a couple:

https://imgur.com/Thuh4ei

https://imgur.com/a/OMAa1aL

Those are just the most recent examples. Superman is capable of creating a shield that can even contain TEMPORAL ENERGY ffs….

http://i.imgur.com/4FfYzI2.jpg

And abhi has shown this one already but this an electrostatic field:

https://imgur.com/a/yzfq9df

Both of these things are known as FARADAY CAGES and if strong enough will contain ALL EM energy. And like i said--superman’s even held temporal energy.

He could absolutely cage her for a win.

If she’s human, she’s dead. If she’s staggered and stays light, she’s caged. A better option might be to simply disperse her though. She’d be defenseless for a moment and i could just vibrate a hand inside her and shatter her form, or disperse her, maybe even destroying her. But probably not. She’d likely be able to reassemble at some point but the effect would be similar to what happened to her when she hit the ocean as a lightning bolt:

https://imgur.com/a/AagRvUo

Anyway, superman can see into the quantum level of existence:

https://imgur.com/a/wOBOP8L

And can even see electrons moving in their shells:

http://i.imgur.com/CYcdipn.jpg and the entire EM spectrum:

http://i.imgur.com/ye44CXD.jpg

Crazy sensory feats. He’d know instantly which form of radiation she was in, and could simply apply a counter vibration. Staggered as she is, she couldn’t do anything about it. He’s created counter vibrations several times:

https://imgur.com/a/ZLCq51m

https://imgur.com/a/4AFglw0

Vibrates an entire PLANET out of existence by reversing its vibratory signature.

Or the famous:

http://i.imgur.com/6Z7gdYG.jpg

Cancels out darkseid’s SOUL! Lol don’t tell me he can’t match and counter a KNOWN EM energy when he can cancel SOUL energy…

This took a bit longer than i thought because i figured i might as well ACTUALLY present an argument since he certainly didn’t. Lol her light form really doesn’t pose him a big problem. There are other things he can do, but ko’ing/injuring her with an EMP, trapping her, or countering her EM wavelengths and scattering her like she scattered herself across the surface of the ocean are the easiest. i can get into some durability stuff next time but it really isn’t needed right now. But yeah, breaking a robot apart=harming/ko’ing superman. Way to keep it sharp bazie. Lol

now, judges, cue the low-balling.

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So, no rebut for my speed, though the surfer thread is a hilarious cry for help. Anyway good, because for her there isn’t one. moving on:

THE EMP

By her own admission, JBazieL’s admission, AND on panel evidence, YES, she CAN be affected by an EMP.

Length of time it would affect her is meaningless here. even if she’s only staggered for a second (though it would be longer than that for certain) it translates to huge amounts of time for me. and a strong enough EMP COULD take her out completely, or at least stun her and make her solid enough to KO. His striking power is beyond question:

https://imgur.com/a/UVrQg8g

Again, these aren’t especially awesome (well, the diana one IS pretty damn impressive…). She WOULD be surprised by my EMP so it follows she would AT LEAST be stunned and assume a physical form. Then superman ends her, quickly and definitively. Monica’s durability has been very questionable over her career.

THE TRAP

Again: she CAN and HAS been trapped in fields (including tony’s armor) that prevent EM energy from escaping and, AGAIN, by her own admission a dense enough shield WILL hold her. here's a bit more about the shield he whipped up:

https://imgur.com/a/cJT8roT

He trapped “a mote of pure information.”

Lol She would have ZERO chance of escaping it. How could she when even such abstruse concepts as time and information itself can’t escape?

SHE IS, VERY DEFINITIVELY, PHUKCED.

FREQUENCY CANCELLATION—DARKSEID DEATH

His counters to my frequency attack?

(a) That she can counter my counter? Lol Not if she’s staggered, and not unless she can achieve SOUL ENERGY frequency. something else superman can recognize, btw:

https://imgur.com/a/F1cxJ1A

not hyperbole:

https://imgur.com/a/z0h8bZO

(b) Then he tries to counter by showing her almost killing herself getting through one force field, only to follow by showing her inability to escape a shield made by a monkey, one she only got out of via a PIS integrity flaw?

https://imgur.com/a/hof6EPB

GREAT counters for getting your a$$ cancelled. Lol

No flaws in Superman’s field to exploit but thanks bazie for showing another instance of her being trapped.

Anyway, yeah, like darkseid’s LIVING/SENTIENT energy, she’s cancelled.

***NOTE*** The monkey field held because she couldn’t keep up with the shifting frequencies. Given his enormous speed advantage, it would be easy for Superman to shift frequencies IF she were somehow capable of trying to match his own vibrational attack. he is able to see and identify instantly what energy form she takes AND he is MUCH faster both perceptually and physically:

https://imgur.com/a/Rlzoyla

Or:

https://imgur.com/a/coV8AN6

lol People will invariably claim PIS for those. Why doesn’t he use that speed all the time??!?

https://imgur.com/a/Tq5MNoc

There’s a REASON he doesn’t use “space cheese” level speed feats on Earth. Lol No speed force to protect things. Those imposed limits are meaningless in a BZ where I’M the one using his powers though.

Given that monica is staggered, she wouldn’t have a chance to match the frequency that ends her, anyway. Think of the process as something like this:

https://imgur.com/a/OfpetfG

https://imgur.com/a/RMyc5py

Only Superman doesn’t need to GUESS, he can SEE her frequency, and instead of absorbing her, he CANCELS her. her HARD LIGHT body (only a small part of which was blown apart in his scan lol) only makes his job easier.

Indefensible. Game over.

Again.

As further proof, here is yet another example of his ability to vibrate. It is entirely possible he could simply punch her out, even in her light form. All he needs is to match her frequency and he could easily do that:

https://imgur.com/a/OKDw074

“No such thing as solid…”

Matching her light frequency=punching the sh!t out of her in her EM form. Wouldn’t THAT surprise her.

For those keeping track—2 irrefutable ways to win (cancel or trap) and a third option that makes perfect sense.

And let’s not forget i could easily avoid her for as long as necessary as well if it came to that given my ridiculous speed advantage. But, since i’m here, let’s look at other possible ways to make bazie’s life miserable...

OTHER OPTIONS

Let’s assume for a moment i choose NOT to EMP her. I could just turn invisible to buy me the time to take her out:

https://imgur.com/a/uhKf31K

https://imgur.com/a/A8yxKhS

Lol note that not only did that chump temporarily hide, that chump’s armor actually protected him because it was EM shielded. She got through later by getting close to him, but, if she struggled to penetrate THAT guy’s EM shielding she has no chance of getting out of the field i showed above.

And again, expressly NOT a low ball. Why? Because we’ve seen monica, on multiple occasions, struggle with or get trapped by energy fields.

Or what if i go intangible instead?

https://imgur.com/a/G9ZrhTw

note how laser light goes through him. Any proof she can hit/hurt someone who is intangible? Because, even forgetting vibrations, Superman has some:

http://i.imgur.com/XtHpJwz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nJM7Kp6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qa9CHtW.jpg

A tear in reality is also intangible…. And there is this scene too:

https://imgur.com/a/cw10k62

If ironman can ko her with her own energy (a simple laser), and disrupt her with his repulsors, there is absolutely NO reason to think Superman’s heat vision (VASTLY more powerful) wouldn’t be a SERIOUS threat to her. Especially if he is continuously shifting (like the monkey’s force field) its frequency (microwave, x-ray, gamma rays, etc…,) so she can’t match or absorb it.

Doubly so if you realize it happens to her when she is temporarily staggered already.

So, yeah, this is going badly for him. The ability to (a) stagger her with an EMP or (b) simply avoid her through my massive speed advantage, invisibility or intangibility, gives me a chance to end this definitively via trap, cancellation or combo-to-ko.

HIS PLAN

Before we go any further, let’s recall his “plan of attack”: HE TRIES TO BLITZ ME AND ENTER MY BODY IN HIS LIGHT FORM..



To reiterate: The guy who absorbs and metabolizes light better than anyone in comics, is being attacked by….light. Think about that for a minute because it is so staggeringly dumb that it requires a brief pause to fully appreciate it. He wants to...blow me up, but doesn’t seem to realize that all he’s gonna do is AMP ME!! Lol i mean, really??

I mean….thanks…?

Even WITHOUT an amp from her, we know his cells are as invulnerable as the rest of him:

https://imgur.com/a/V2UndAJ

https://imgur.com/a/j6seHtX

The last scans are cool--the alien got inside him when he was powerless but just as it was getting ready to tear out he got his powers back and his invulnerable insides prevented it from escaping and it killed itself trying to get out. i can show more scans later if needed.

Anyway, If she DID get inside, his cells would FEED off her and they’d be even MORE invulnerable (something akin to a minor sundip, maybe?). She’d have a hell of a time getting out. And lord knows she doesn’t do well with being forcefully absorbed:

https://imgur.com/a/RMyc5py

https://imgur.com/a/8FOHf5b

She also tried getting inside THANOS but discovered that while she is inside someone’s head, she is also subject to that person’s mental landscape:

https://imgur.com/a/7jPjnuE

And Superman’s willpower and mental defenses are second to absolutely no one and he would, like Thanos, simply be able to keep her from doing any damage:

http://i.imgur.com/GULST5A.jpg

Wades through Kyle’s will.

https://imgur.com/a/10GpDsT

Lol

But the COUP DE GRACE:

https://imgur.com/a/lIrZwxX

CYBORG: “these are SUPERMAN’s membranes, he can’t--”

jericho’s ENERGY, which passes through the EYES (sound familiar??) could NOT penetrate superman’s invulnerable membranes.

And as shown, jericho has EASILY taken possession of even guys like HAL for much longer periods of time.

Monica would enter superman, like jericho did, and she’d get the bum’s rush, just like what happened when she faced thanos, just like bazie is getting in this BZ. lol

And willpower and invulnerable cells aren’t his only defense but I’ll save that…

Anyway, you’ll of course notice that once she was forced OUT of Thanos, she was TOTALLY useless afterwards. If she DID get inside me, only bad things would happen to her:

(a) she would struggle to get out to avoid being metabolized before being forcibly removed via heat vision, or

(b) through sheer willpower and invulnerable cells she’d get the boot.

(c) then weakened, she gets her a$$ one-shotted.

Dumbest.
Plan.
Ever.

Ultimately, even IF bazie’s plan goes EXACTLY the way he wants it to, he still gets trapped, cancelled, heat visioned or punched out.

Next post i’ll address some of the stuff that is likely to crop up in his last post and wrap things up.

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Last post so let’s put a bow on it. As predicted:

COSMIC AWARENESS!!

So, the proof that she can find a weakness is a scan where she…FAILED to find a weakness? Sigh. Obviously she wouldn’t even know about EITHER weakness:

https://imgur.com/a/pwS9mJn

Yeah. Her vaunted CA “approximates human senses”. This also explains exactly why she would hear my whistle!

Anyway, she does gain more esoteric forms of knowledge:

https://imgur.com/a/YLAFlgd

NOTE--she was actively using her “cosmic awareness” to find aWEAKNESS in the shield, a COUNTER FREQUENCY.

She failed, miserably.

she even forgot why she was there! Lol AND look how long it took, and how much focus. Her CA isn’t something she just…calls up and suddenly she knows sh!t. lol In fact she only survived her failed trip into the shield because carol absorbed her OUT of it:

https://imgur.com/a/tOwISOV

LOL

Her CA has absolutely ZERO PRACTICAL BEARING on this match.

ZERO.

Anywho, just because:

RED SUN

This is hardly anything new to superman. For example:

https://imgur.com/a/Hc8SqLc

Lol ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/a/DpCROyc

You can see from the above that the effects of a red sun are hardly instant. Even if you somehow buy the fact that he can, somehow, use CA to figure out red sun weakness, i’d still have loads of time to fight off the effects.

As for the planet that he mentions moving under a red sun:

https://imgur.com/a/02F9u

It was krypton, via heat vision. again, a crazy feat while weakened.

KRYPTONITE

I could say “see above”:

https://imgur.com/a/N8kgU

https://imgur.com/a/2j9rG

Weakened by k-nite above, he STILL withstands a NUKE blast. Also demonstrates his durability to radiation.

http://i.imgur.com/FYCXX7n.jpg

In the fires of apokalips above, wearing a k-nite ring. And this issue (i’ll direct you to the issue because he fights the whole issue after having been injected, TWICE, with LIQUID k-nite). Shows just how much power he is capable of retaining when exposed to k-nite:

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Act...816?id=26247#14

He was dying for several issues after that until the culmination of the arc in action 825. A very good run btw, if you’ve not read it. And here:

https://imgur.com/a/2sKVumV

Stuns brainiac that he can still use his power.

And of course:

https://imgur.com/a/L8YJa

Surviving doomsday clone+k-nite=crazy uber durability.

And there are plenty of others feats, as impressive and more. None of what i have shown should be considered outliers! This isn’t an opinion (at least not a bazied, er, biased one). I challenge you to check respect threads. I’ve left a LOT of the best ones out. Even if you buy that monica can somehow know my weaknesses (she can’t) it’s not even remotely close to meaning things are over for me. I just thought it would be cool to show people that red sun and k-nite=/=insta-wins against superman like so many seem to think.

DURABILITY

https://imgur.com/a/X6vgCFO

lol Anyway, a YOUNG superman survives a SUPERNOVA:

https://i.imgur.com/Y4NRvE2.jpg

Resists full on matter manipulation:

https://imgur.com/a/eX4IS

If matter manipulators fail to affect his cell structure, not seeing how monica can reliably do so…

And of course, MEGGADDON:

https://imgur.com/a/aHR4A

Even enough anti-sunlight to wreck half a galaxy doesn’t end him. or this one—takes on the cumulative suffering of BILLIONS of beings:

https://imgur.com/a/5AHNMzl

and as I said before, his insides are as invulnerable as his outsides:

https://imgur.com/a/DJhv3SR

he’s got a NUCLEAR REACTOR inside him, that SPLITS ATOMS! lol

And his brain is just as invulnerable:

https://imgur.com/a/HYdQ6Jo

lol shakes of hemorrhages. Also similar in theory to the aliens scans I showed earlier on. People expanding in him and getting crushed for their troubles.

As far as more traditional durability showings: superman v luthor. A lot of scans, but worth reading. Short story, luthor becomes damn near all powerful and after some soul searching, decides he would rather kill superman than use his new power positively. Action 899 and 900 to fill in the blanks if you need more.

https://imgur.com/a/HUfgSH6

The first few blasts superman tanked from luthor, when he still had ALL his powers were ludicrous. Does anyone REALLY think monica can generate THAT level of power? A few others, including a point-blank radiation blast from captain atom, a ground zero NUKE explosion from Neutron (both of which highlight his radiation resistance), a massive GL attack and even entropy and the omega effect:

https://imgur.com/a/gLgnAD4

Again, a random assortment, not even CLOSE to high balling. Honestly, WITHOUT RED SUNLIGHT OR K-NITE SHE HAS NO RELIABLE WAY OF TAKING ME OUT.

Hell, even WITH them, I have time to defend and react.

Something else I’ve seen bazie go on about—Superman’s vulnerability to electricity:

https://imgur.com/a/4HHf1Ko

a WEAKENED, BRYNE Superman took several full-on shots (including one right to his head) from Livewire and was fine. It hurt, but that’s it. And 10 gigawatts=9 SIMULTANEOUS lightning bolts...

I mean, the dude, has voluntarily turned himself into an ELECTROMAGNET ffs:

https://imgur.com/a/Ut6X8OA

Electricity won’t do it either. His best bet, and best scan, is the MAKER scan, where he drains Richards:

https://imgur.com/a/3iLyqF2

I could say—“she’s never done that while moving at the speed of light!!1!” lol But fact is, in order to even ATTEMPT something like that, he’d need to (a) get close to me, and (b) get inside me, and we know he tried to do that as…light already. Beyond that, draining isn’t always a sure-thing either:

https://imgur.com/a/Jiu9qLp

Polaris and his insane other personality Repulse BOTH drain him of sunlight and attack him via the EM spectrum throughout, yet he’s still using HV and catching cars. It’s perhaps the best equivalent we can get as to how someone like monica might do. Monica lacks the ability to manipulate EM energy at distance though. As for the EMP comment, Repulse didn’t really know what she was talking about :

https://imgur.com/a/YbiNvRE

so, yeah, EMP (which monica can’t generate anyway…) would also fail. His durability against EM-related energy is enormous overall. So:

MY PLAN REVISITED

My plan is about as simple as it gets. Stun her with (1) a surprise EMP which worked on panel, or (2) a HV blast that changes her frequency (SEE BELOW), then I (a) trap her, (b) cancel her, (c) punch her hard light form into unconsciousness.

He spent a lot of time talking about ironman for some reason, but I explained in the first post why I showed that scan, and his armor<<<<the shield superman can generate. And, of course, she’s stunned, so…she wouldn’t be moving. /shrug

Anyway, to the above, we can now add (d) absorb the life out of her, violently blast her a$$ OUT of me, THEN punch her hard light lights out, as was shown in post 2. That’s what she gets for trying to enter me as light.

Here are a couple more scans showing how capable of absorbing her he is:

https://imgur.com/a/bSJULCP

he forcibly absorbed rampage’s energy to get stronger. He does the same here with evil star’s attacks then ends him with his own energy (sound familiar?):

https://imgur.com/a/Lfq5IWl

if she tries getting inside superman, in ANY WAY, she’s in for a whole lot of trouble….

But are there others options? We’ve seen HV work on intangible foes (and we KNOW she can be disrupted). But did you know, as mentioned, that HV can also REVERSE EM radiation:

https://imgur.com/a/vCwv2Il

so I could, again, surprise her with that tactic, and forcibly change her frequency then take her out.

I also mentioned I could just EVADE her for as long as needed. here (I showed this but did not highlight this fact) we see him simply outracing radiation:

https://imgur.com/a/Pk1hONl

not surprising given how much faster than light he can be, but he WAS very weakened when he pulled that off…

and to again reaffirm the effectiveness of a vibrational/counter frequency attack:

https://imgur.com/a/U7m4CJR

he…basically cancelled out an hallucination. Lol seems pretty apt. and his counter—she can outrun sound. Sigh…. Again, her CA approximates human senses, and she would have no idea I was going to…whistle at her and destroy her, or just vibrate and dissipate her as I mentioned in my first post.

One last quick thing—I’ve used post crisis, 52 and rebirth superman, because, well, they are all one at this point:

https://imgur.com/a/GldudRq

check out ACTION 976 for full details.

And that’s it. Hopefully, despite the idiocy, you maybe learned a couple things about superman, his versatility and ability to adapt to fighting different types of characters. Maybe you saw some scans you haven’t seen, or haven’t seen for a long time, at least. My opponent not withstanding, it was fun looking back at some of superman’s cooler feats and trying to show his more esoteric, and less explored abilities. Thanks to the judges for wading through this and apologies to the forum in general for the debacle this turned into.

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Okay so given the nature of the BZ and that one of the posters is now banned, I'm just going to directly post my verdict lol.

Baz (since I know you're watching)

The good: Well debated, you convinced me that Monica can't be trapped, as she'd just shift her energy out of the containment field and escape. You also convinced me that Monica doesn't really have a fragile human form that can be easily shattered by Superman. Good showing of cosmic awareness for Monica, I believe she would possibly be able to dish out some weak point attacks.

The bad: You completely wasted your first post, and then did very little to follow up your offense. You played very counter-like after your first post and given you went first, that shouldn't have been the case. You did bring up some offense later, but nothing that wasn't counter able.

Leo

the good: You proved that Superman is significantly faster and would be able to avoid Monica as much as he'd like essentially. You also proved that an EMP would at the very least stun her and then Superman could take it away from there, despite her not really having a fragile human form.

the bad: Your containment strategy won't work enough for a victory in my opinion, that seems to be area where Monica can get away from Superman and while Superman wastes some time with it possibly even harm him.

How the fight would go down:

Monica blitzes, gets evaded, Superman tries to trap her, Monica escapes, eats an EMP and is dazed for enough time that Superman can vibrate her or sing her out of existence and what not. Even if Monica manages to slip past Superman and attack him during the containment attempt, she wouldn't be able to put him down before being stunned and then killed.

Verdict: Baz, you did fine which shows you have good potential debating skills. But my vote goes to Leo, not because I hate you or whatever reason you're stalking right now, but because you had no answer to Leo's speed, no answer to his durability and wasted your first post so basically started a post behind. When you inevitably sock into another account, you'll have more experience and improve even more. Not a bad showing at all on your part, you have some stuff to be proud of

Again though, my vote goes to Leo.

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