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My amalgam is Orion “the dog of war” and Hawkman “the winged wonder.” Doesn’t really seem like much of a combo on the surface, until you look a little deeper. My real amalgam is the astro-force and harness, a mother box, symbiote Nth metal armor/weapons, and Thanagarian tech.
Now against any other amalgam in this tourney my opponent’s combo of classic Dr. Strange and the Living Laser would be extremely formidable. But Nth metal disrupts magic, it’s basically anti-magic, and the astro force can block magic as well. And both Nth metal and the astro force can absorb, channel, block, and redirect all types of energy.
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What I like about the above scans is that Wonder Woman lays out perfectly why my amalgam is winning this.
So, Abhi only has two avenues of attack with magic and/or energy. And my Nth metal gear alone will absorb, store, and redirect it back at my opponent. Which easily koed Black Adam in one-shot by his own magical energy that wasn’t even directly aim at Wonder Woman. It was just the magical energy he was generating, so the Dr. Strange and Living Laser amalgam will be koed by their own magic and energies rechannel back at them. Remember Black Adam had just killed Dr. Fate in one shot with that same powerful mystical energy, that Hawkman’s mace was able to absorb and store.
KICKING ABHI’S A$$ TO THE NTH DEGREE
So as I arrive to the battlefield my astro-force field is up. My forcefield can block the Omega Beams fired from Darkseid at close range and redirect them back destroying Darkseid.
With just a small amount of Nth metal, Hawkman easily withstands an energy weapon designed to flay the skin off his bones. Again, the Nth metal covers his entire body after coming to his defense independently. This was after Hawkman had been tortured and beaten, and before he bonded with it. Moreover, the Nth metal immediately restored his health. Just more evidence that any attack by the Living Laser powerset is pretty useless.
Therefore, Dr. Strange just like Dr. Fate will not be able to spell cast or use magic against the Nth metal that I posses. And remember I’m completely armored up with the Nth metal, plus I have my mace along with other weapons. And it is in my skin, the Nth metal pours out through my muscles.
This really underscores the predicament that Abhi is in. Either the astro-force or the nth metal can disrupt Dr. Strange magic leaving him with only the living laser powers. Which either the astro-force or nth metal can absorb/disrupt lol, and I haven’t even listed what all a mother box can do yet.
The following is a sample of the powerful astro-force that Orion possess. The Morrow Block was a mighty weapon created on Apokolips and designed to drain the life energy from an entire planet. It was draining the energy of Earth and instantly killing anyone who was near it, including even New Gods. Moreover Lightray couldn’t fly fast enough to avoid getting pulled into it. But the astro-force protected Orion from harm, and allowed him to destroy a planet killing weapon in one impressive blast.
Remember what I stated about this guy not helping my opponent’s amalgam at all. Well, here’s why with a link to pictures below. The Living Loser received a significant magical amp from the Norn Stones thanks to the Hood during New Avengers 61 & 62 Siege Arc. However, he still felt pain from normal bullets and Cap’s shield even in light form. Both Cap’s normal shield and energy shield was able to block and deflect the Living Loser’s attacks. Luke Cage was even able to punch this loser while he was in light form, and tank his energy blasts. Now again I have nth metal completely covering me, Living Laser could blast me all day and I wouldn’t feel a thing. Plus all it took was an electrical wire from an apartment to make a magically amp Living Laser dissipate, just imagine what the astro-force would do to him lol.
Classic Dr. Strange was gravely injured by just one little enchanted silver dagger. Thrown by a human with normal stats, and said knife was able to pierce his protective aura/shield easily. Dr Strange even stated that he had no defense from the enchanted knife and that he was mortally wounded.
So basically one small piece of anti-magic metal had Classic Dr Strange at death’s door. And I have much more potent anti-magic nth metal covering me up. Plus weapons like a mace, gun, ax or any other weapon I wish to morph the nth metal into. And all of that is combined with Orion’s stats and astro power which comes directly from the Source. Dr Strange is so screwed here.
My Plan is pretty straight-forward:
1. Astro-force shield
2. Match starts full body Nth metal armor, mace in hand
3. Options:
A. Motherbox absorbs Living Laser, Nth metal absorbs Strange’s magic, same result as with Black Adam
B. Blast my opponent’s amalgam with astro-force through my nth metal gun
C. Just blitz Abhi with my full body nth metal charged with the astro-force
I. With astro-harness I’m pretty fast able to grab Hal out of his flying jet construct https://imgur.com/YOpUm0a
4. Or other avenues of attack saved for later the end results being
What does that mean? It means that now Dr Strange can cast spells at the speed of light and move at the same speed.
Scary, huh?
Let's start with the simple shields which Strange would conjure.
Simple shields tank destruction of a planet, tanked a supernova, a pissed off Mephisto, a pissed off Dormammu, even a big bang (confirmed decades later) and even attacks which were ripping entire dimensions aparts. There are just too many such scans so I'm just posting some of the good ones. If need be, I'll post more later.
Now, we get to his casted shields. Holds off Dormammu hurling enough force to topple planets, shields from Galactus, shields from Cyttorak in his own realm, Mephisto and Satannish etc. Strange can cast these shields by just a thought.
Next, an illusion to trap Orion. A depowered Strange casually trapped an entire Avengers team including Sentry in an illusion (Sentry has some stupid TP feats). He has casually put Emma Frost to sleep.
He was about to put ****ing Beyonder (pre retcon) into an endless illusion accepted by Beyonder himself. Beyonder was in an inebriated state but its Beyonder.
So in short, Orion is blinded, trapped into an illusion, his mother box disabled, knocked out, all his attacks turned back against him and his essence itself scattered across dimensions and unable to reconstitute himself. All at the speed of Light. Orion is fast, but he is hardly lightspeed fast.
Simply put, your armor would be stripped away with a thought. Dr Strange has some of the most insane transmutation feats out there. But just to show how he does against metals which can penetrate his shields, here he literally transmutes Hitler's Handgun into butterflies.
Then its a good thing I already disabled the mother box and threw it across the universe, isn't it?
Are you seriously using throwing knives as a strategy? Amateurs these days.
You are outmatched in speed, your nth metal is transmuted into ice, mother box disabled, astro force turned against you, you are captured into an illusion and blasted to oblivion at lightspeed and you are talking about throwing knives at me?
Now judges, I should win just because I'm a better magician than Abhi. Just watch how I make his asinine arguments disappear.
Except a mother box can generate a reverse magnetic field as seen below. Furthermore, it wasn't a magnetic vortex that disable that mother box, it was Apokolipsian tech that adapts and evolves to any situation. Even Superman had a tough time breaking free from that machinery which entrapped him multiple times, and he had to be saved by the mother box. Moreover, that Apokolipsian tech physically tore the mother box from Mr. Miracle costume, something that wouldn't happen against Orion protected by Nth metal and the astro force.
Plus Orion's mother box is on his astro-harness or other gear, and the mother box can quickly teleport itself back to its user across vast distances. Moreover, my gear is protected and a part of the source itself and cannot be destroyed.
So no, Abhi does not have any effective means of disabling my mother box. Which means big problems for him because my mother box can counter all of his attacks. Starting with:
Here's something Abhi can really appreciate. Orion using his mother box has freed Superman from mind control and mental illusions at least twice.
So another failed attempt even if somehow nth metal couldn't disrupt the magical spell. And I like how my opponent turned Dr. Fate into Zatanna, meaning he has to talk to cast spells or use magic. Lol That is clearly not the case, and the issue was clear that the nth metal walls in the prison was preventing Dr. Fate from casting spells.
You do realize that Black Adam's lightning is magical.
So yes seriously Hawkman Nth metal mace effortlessly absorbed and stored the magical lightning of Black Adam.
And this is what I believe to be the most important issue in this debate. Nth metal vs magic. Now it’s no surprise that Abhi would try to use older scans of Nth metal before the modern and recent anti-magic properties have been consistently establish. Of course here we are going by the more recent and modern showings, because Nth metal like a lot of characters and things in comics have been significantly upgraded.
Except this was after Hawkman with the Claw of Horus had already rendered much of the nth metal inert and useless lol same old misleading Abhi.
Lol That was Kendra who had literally just got her wings on her first mission and had trouble even flying. Needless to state that she didn’t know how to control nth metal. And the amount of Nth metal she possessed at that time was miniscule.
Trying to compare a rookie Hawkgirl with little nth metal to an experience Hawkman who literally has it pouring out of his skin is ridiculous. Below Hawkman and a Thanagarian elder explains that the amount and control/experience/knowledge that one has with Nth metal determines what one can do or cannot do with it. And with a motherbox I have the knowledge plus the quantity of symbiote metal all in my body, and the experiences of Hawkman previous lives.
Abhi attempts to low-ball nth metal becomes even more laughable after the following realization. This metal is what Yuga Kahn chose to build his new gods killing golems out of. And most new gods have mother boxes that can transmute elements. So if it was easy or possible at all to transmute nth metal, I don’t Darkseid’s father would have used that metal which both Green Lanterns and new gods combine hard a very difficult time trying to stop.
So just think if I was to take a nth metal pistol like the one below, and blast my opponent with astro force through it. Force that is considered the wrath of the source. Plus I would further amp this attack via my mother box. But Abhi thinks my plan is to just throw a little nth metal knife at him lol.
All it took was a couple of nth metal batarangs for Batman to defeat the intangible Gentleman Ghost. Again nth metal received a huge upgrade during the Dark Metal arc. And again that metal is a part of me plus covering my entire body, and all my weapons and gear. Even the density changing shadow creatures are harmed by nth metal.
Orion with the astro harnessor aero-discs has better speed and reaction feats than the Living Laser.
Orion outpaced Hermes, who stated and demonstrated that he was faster than Wonder Woman.
Orion almost caught the Black Racer, who boom tubed at the last possible moment. Black Racer out races the light of stars, so he has beyond light speed.
Now this is hilarious, Abhi’s own scan shows the Living Laser can’t think fast enough to consistently move and react at lightspeed. In my first post I showed the living laser being unable to even dodge bullets or a shield throw from Bucky Cap.
Then as seen in the nth metal golem scan, Abhi believes he can transmute “one of the multiverses most powerful substances,” that is further enhanced and protected by the astro-force. My mother box has double protection behind my nth metal armor and the astro-force, Abhi can’t even see it much less touch it or hinder it at all. And, my mother box broke Supes from Hector Hammond mind control and illusions, therefore it will protect me here from any mind games. The astro-force is a part of the source, and Abhi cannot wield it in any fashion.
If Abhi thinks I'm just throwing a knife at him, then he has already lost. After motherbox, nth metal mace, and/or the astro force absorb his energy, then this type of nth metal attack will finish you off.
My mother box will significantly amp this attack. Just like it did for Superman’s heat vision by using a magnification field to multiply the thermal energies.
I mean the astro-force by itself is capable of moving planets in orbit, and disassembles molecules. Plus Orion while fighting on the moon was about to tear the Earth apart with his attacks.
The Living Laser does not have consistent light-speed reactions. Below Ironman takes him out with a double EMP. Something easily replicated by my mother box.
The bottom line is that current Nth metal can protect against and absorb magic effortlessly. The astro-force alone is a great counter to Dr. Strange’s magic. And has been stated to be equal in power to the magics of Dr. Fate and Etrigan by Dr. Fate himself.
And my mother-box is basically a living plot device that can act on its own much faster than Living Laser or Dr. Strange brains can think. As evidence by being able to constantly reassemble Orion’s molecular structure w/o command.
So match starts- Dr Strange’s magical shields are not standing up to an astro-force blast fired from a nth metal pistol, that has been significantly amped further by my mother box. The Living Laser powers are absorbed, and then using the ftl speed of my astro harness I finish Dr Strange off. With my nth metal mace through his skull preferably, as we have already seen what one little piece of anti-magic metal can do to him.. The entire time I am covered in nth metal from head to toe. This was just a bad matchup for my opponent.
Barda straight up says MB was trapped like Scott was with a magnetic field.
The speed at which I can travel is so much faster than you makes it easy for me to snare the mother box and teleport it to the farthest reaches of time and space.
Living Laser was faster than Quasar's lightspeed beams and even drained moved at the speed of light.
Nothing you can do is even going to touch me.
The magnetic field disabled mother box ability to teleport as well. MB is not teleporting anywhere.
When Orion is aware of the situation and ordered MB to do it? Here he isn't aware he is inside an illusion.
I like how he is randomly calling bluff on actual scans when I posted the context. It was a novice Hector Hall and he needed to speak to cast spells.
You got caught red handed, it happens.
Yeah, uncontrolled lightning bursts. I'm not throwing random lightning bolts here. These are spells for which you have no answer for. Nth metal has been transmuted by magical spells. Deal with it.
This is it. You posted no evidence that nth metal is anti magic. In fact you showed nth metal absorbing and storing magical energy.
If nth metal was anti magic, it would negate the magical energy. Not store it.
Only some of it who dropped out of sky.
And Hawkman is suddenly Dr Strange now?
See judges how he has no counter to the point that nth metal can be transmuted by magical spells.
Hawkman has straight up said that Onimar Synn controlled nth metal far better than he ever did. Hawkman doesn't gets feats of Onimar synn and metal golems just because he has nth metal armor no more than Deathstroke does.
See, here it comes. Try to use feats for characters who are not Hawkman. Good to see.
And what do you think that's gonna do? Living Laser has been completely blown apart by Iron Man and it did nothing to him.
Not to mention Dr Strange can literally pull himself together by bits and pieces of his body. Here he does it to himself and Spider-Man when both of their bodies were completely annihilated.
This is after Laser was depowered and human once again. Out of context scans again?
So just to sum all of this.
Mutant is unable to counter any of my offenses (blinding him, turning nth metal in ice, scattering his very being to separate dimensions, trapping him into illusions, koing him and straight up beating him down) and wants to believe that a headshot is going to do anything to me?
with his repeated out of context scans?
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@ABHI--the format you sent me your post in was...not good. i tried to keep the formatting as close as i could, but as a result a couple of your scans are broken so feel free to repost the correct links below.
good match gents. good luck to both. judges it's in your hands.
Barda straight up says MB was trapped like Scott was with a magnetic field.
The speed at which I can travel is so much faster than you makes it easy for me to snare the mother box and teleport it to the farthest reaches of time and space.
Living Laser was faster than Quasar's lightspeed beams and even drained moved at the speed of light.
Nothing you can do is even going to touch me.
The magnetic field disabled mother box ability to teleport as well. MB is not teleporting anywhere.
When Orion is aware of the situation and ordered MB to do it? Here he isn't aware he is inside an illusion.
I like how he is randomly calling bluff on actual scans when I posted the context. It was a novice Hector Hall and he needed to speak to cast spells.
You got caught red handed, it happens.
Yeah, uncontrolled lightning bursts. I'm not throwing random lightning bolts here. These are spells for which you have no answer for. Nth metal has been transmuted by magical spells. Deal with it.
This is it. You posted no evidence that nth metal is anti magic. In fact you showed nth metal absorbing and storing magical energy.
If nth metal was anti magic, it would negate the magical energy. Not store it.
Only some of it who dropped out of sky.
And Hawkman is suddenly Dr Strange now?
See judges how he has no counter to the point that nth metal can be transmuted by magical spells.
Hawkman has straight up said that Onimar Synn controlled nth metal far better than he ever did. Hawkman doesn't gets feats of Onimar synn and metal golems just because he has nth metal armor no more than Deathstroke does.
See, here it comes. Try to use feats for characters who are not Hawkman. Good to see.
And what do you think that's gonna do? Living Laser has been completely blown apart by Iron Man and it did nothing to him.
Not to mention Dr Strange can literally pull himself together by bits and pieces of his body. Here he does it to himself and Spider-Man when both of their bodies were completely annihilated.
This is after Laser was depowered and human once again. Out of context scans again?
So just to sum all of this.
Mutant is unable to counter any of my offenses (blinding him, turning nth metal in ice, scattering his very being to separate dimensions, trapping him into illusions, koing him and straight up beating him down) and wants to believe that a headshot is going to do anything to me? With his repeated out of context scans?
After reading Mutant, and Abhi's posts, I've come to a tough decision.
Let me break my decision/s down to you guys.
Mutant made claims that his Nth metal armored warrior would be able to negate, or disrupt anything that could be thrown at his amalgamation, while Abhi claimed that these redundancies would be useless.
1. Through tough deliberation, I gave the point to Abhi, because I was not fully convinced that Strange would not be able to nullify the protective properties of Nth metal. This was an especially tough call, because Abhi was able to show that Dr. Strange was able to disrupt and literally remove another form of metal that had anti magic properties. However, Nth metal has a long history of destroying magical constructs as well as resisting magical assaults, but Abhi then showed how easily Dr. Fate was able to harm Nth metal when he posted a scan of Fate melting Nth metal.
Nth Metal vs Magic
Point goes to Abhilegend.
2. Orion's defense vs magic and/or energy attacks
I was not convinced that Darkseid could get through Orion's Astro force field even though the attack may have been used for other purposes. The point being that Orion was able to deflect Darkseid's direct Omega Beam attack, which in my honest opinion is far greater than anything that the Living Laser can bring to the table. If those beams hit Orion directly, I have no doubt that they would have done incredible damage to him, which is why I came to this decision.
Astro Force vs Magic, and energy attacks.
Point goes to Mutant.
3. Overall power versatility vs Defensive ability.
In my honest opinion, this was the toughest call for me to make, because Dr. Strange has exhibited incredible versatility over the years when it comes down to his spellcraft, while Orion has been shown to be a cosmic juggernaut with the ability to defend against nearly anything thrown against him. Especially so, while using his innate abilities coupled with the Motherbox tech.
While both contenders (Abhi and Mutant) made brilliant arguments, I gave Mutant the overall win, because I had yet to be convinced that Dr. Strange Laser had an answer for the Mother Box tech that would allow Orion Hawk to react, and act at a pace that Dr. Strange Laser would be able to keep up with.
This was an extremely close match but the final point goes to Mutant for the win.
Good posts for both SM and Abhi. I had to read through both your posts 3 times because both of your defenses were well thought, and it was a stalemate.
Brute force and energy attacks weren't going to work quickly on either, imo. I figure Hawk Orion would last the longest if that were the case. Orion recently swatted away GL light constructs in the past 1-2 years.
I wasn't 100% convinced that the Nth metal/Astro force combo would null all of Laser Fate's attacks. But again. Orion had the best defenses, imo.
This came down to two things for me: the mental illusion and the quick draw contest. This is where Laser Fate has the advantage.
I didn't see ample responses to the mental illusion of Laser Fate. Yes, Orion freed people from illusions but no proof was offered that Orion could escape the illusion except that the MB and Nth metal would just do it automatically, per SM.
After my second reading of the posts I was going to give SM the win. But I give Abhi the win, ever so narrowly, due to the illusion. I think the Laser Fate illusion, plus light speed attack is enough to give him a win. Great match guys. This was very hard to judge. You both will enjoy temp bans for making me spend over an hour on this tourny.
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Last edited by Badabing on Jul 22nd, 2018 at 09:28 PM
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stoic, bada, thanks. great input. well thought out. so it all comes down to smurph.... he said his vote would be in sometime before the end of the day today.
Good, really inventive match, guys. Both amalgams are potent, and you both did a lot to show that off.
This match was about plot devices. It came down to Nth metal trump card vs magic trump card, which made it annoying to parse apart and try and find concrete, provable points. IMO, Abhi was able to establish stronger, simpler points that were less dependant on context. Mutant was able to show that Nth metal could ruin Dr. Strange's day, but we can't just translate Onimar Synn's feats, or those dependant on the vibration manipulation shenanigans in Metal, to something that Hawkman could replicate on the fly.
And, I ultimately believed that Strange in a quickdraw could probably vanish the motherbox, transmute nth metal, and trap Orion/Hawkman in an illusion. These were damaging blows for Mutant to deal with - Strange may be the pick to beat in this tourney.
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You do realize that Black Adam's lightning is magical.
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