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battlefield is a newly terraformed MARS. Abhi repping strange/living laser, borgson thor/sinister.

judges are smurph, phil and boks.



Ok, let's get this started.

First off, a summary of my defenses which will be up at the start.
Simple shields tank destruction of a planet, tanked a supernova, a pissed off Mephisto, a pissed off Dormammu, even a big bang (confirmed decades later) and even attacks which were ripping entire dimensions aparts. There are just too many such scans so I'm just posting some of the good ones. If need be, I'll post more later.
So forget about breaking Strange's autoshields.
Now, we get to his casted shields. Holds off Dormammu hurling enough force to topple planets, shields from Galactus, shields from Cyttorak in his own realm, Mephisto and Satannish etc. Strange can cast these shields by just a thought.

These shields can even stop the intangible attacks like Deathurge which have pierced the likes of Quasar and Silver Surfer with no issues.

Deathurge attacks are by default intangible.

So Mjolnir is not phasing through the shields either.

Second thing, I'm much faster than Thornister.

Living Laser can of course move at speed of light.

But what you don't know is that Dr Strange can move at the speed of thought as well.

Umar cleaved through Earth in a microsecond with her spell. Dr Strange moved so fast that time stood still while he overtook her spell meant to kill Clea and had enough time to move around and stop the spell by his own shields.

So that takes care of speed issue. After all, Monica made Thor look like a statue when she moved at the speed of light.

Then I become intangible and undetectable by the likes of Brother Voodoo and Iron Man who have actually detected magic.

Next thing, I cast a sphere of nullification which nullifies all magic in it.

It even nullified Darkhold's magic.

And Darkhold is powerful enough to banish Odinforce Thor along with entire Asgard.

This is noteworthy as mjolnir is rendered useless in a magic nullification sphere.

After that I teleport mjolnir into a sun destroying it. Thanks Aaron.

Next I place Thor under an illusion. This has already been done when Strange made Thor believe Strange was dead.

And mindrape Thornister just like I did against Galactus.

Next I immoblize Thornister just like I did with Thor and Hyperion.

Next is strength. Even the mindless Hulk can't breach Strange's autoshields and just gives up.

Now, I use a spell to drain all the power from Thornister, just like I did with Arioch, Shuma Gorath and Odinforce Thor to repair mjolnir. I will only drain power, not ego from Thornister.

And blast the shit out of thor like I did to Hulk.

Next thing is his TP. Just forget about that.

Defeats Umar in her own realm. Umar has easily mindcontrolled Hulk in the past.

Bested Nightmare in his own realm.

And even Adam Warlock using mind gem when he had full IG were not able to do anything to Strange with the eye of Agamotto.

And has dropped HOM Wanda with just one attack.

Even just recently he casually ignored Turk with mind gem commanding for him to forget.

And even a total noob Hood with mind gem stomped Xavier.

And even a depowered Dr Strange fooled the same Hood with his illusions.

Next thing, I rip out Thornister's soul and banish it to another dimension. It has worked on the like of Silver Surfer, Hulk and Dormammu.

So in short, Thornister is immobilized, mjolnir is depowered and destroyed, placed in an illusion, has his soul ripped off and banished, his power entirely drained and then blasted to atoms by Strange.

All at the speed of light+speed of thought. Thornister wouldn't even know what hit him.

This is just for start. Let's begin.


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Letís jump right into this shall we?
The Plan
At the start of the match, I throw up my authoshields, which instantly protect me from elemental, psionic and physical attacks all at once, and I instantly hide myself psychically so well that even Cable canít detect me.

Cable for reference:
Next, I add in an extra layer of protection with mighty Mjolnir:
Note that the shield can sustain itself long after Thor stopped paying attention to it:
Queue the storms:
Which are also sustainable even while Thor does other things:
That was on a world without a suitable atmosphere without Mjolnir no less.

Now youíre utterly engulfed in a storm capable of pinning the Hulk or ravaging dimensions.
The storm also allows me to track you:
As I can feel every rain drop falling.
So while you prep and search for me, trying to survive the storm that gives me time to summon my tools:
Which grants me a large portion of the odin force:

As the last time they were used, they were enchanted to such a degree that allowed Thor to defeat Super enhanced Thanosi. And even before the enhancement this is how tough my armor was:
Next, Mjolnir will track you. So long as Mjolnir has interacted with my target, I can track it anywhere in the universe, this dimension or another:
Thor literally tracked Demonstaff between alternate planes of reality, thereís no way to hide from me. Youíll also be tracked psionically of course, and seeing as thereís only two of usÖyour location isnít that much of a mystery really.
And we have interacted many times, I once made Dr. Strange jizz his pants by how beautiful my soul is.
Once youíve been found, I assume you have your standard defenses up, your powerful shields and whatnot. Youíll be looking for me, but youíll have to decipher through my psychic block, and get past my own shields first, which will take your attention away, from this:
Since Iíve identified where you are, I create a portal to a black hole right on your location. Youíve made a point of talking about how you can ďmove at lightspeedĒ which weíll talk about soon as itís incredibly overrated, but this is something even light canít escape.
The black hole as well as the portal itself will suck you through it to auto death/bfr victory.
Even a standard portal can suck you through it with enough force that Count Nefaria canít long resist it.
But if you think you can resist, youíll be surprised to find that your shields have just been turned off:

My dome covers the whole area and traps you in an antimagic zone, your magic has just been sundered. Itís been able to turn off Cytoraks shielding which was tough enough for Juggernaut to no sell a god blast.
Meaning your shields are indisputably shut down, as well as any other magic it would like.
But for good measure, I can add an extra layer of protection to my attack, how about we steal your energy as well:

A little extra power sapping will go a long way, so now youíre being blocked magically and drained physically.
Mjolnir will of course be thrown at the speed of light+ :
But thatís not the worst of it, the second your attention shifted to the portal opening, SinisThor entered your mind, no damage at first, but now youíll take a 10X psionic blast that was capable of shutting down Nate Grey + X-Force in one shot:
Nate Grey for reference:
The Fight So Far
So hereís the fight so far: I instantly shield and obscure myself psionically, my gear comes on protecting me from even the most vicious of damage as well as infusing me with the Odin Force, I open up a portal at your exact location as Mjolnir can detect you without much issue since you already shared your energies with me, then my hammer circles your location shutting down your magic as my psychic abilities make you forget how to contain your own bodily functions.


Old Post Aug 12th, 2018 02:39 AM
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Your draft is Thorís best day ever
Now letís talk about how difficult of a fight this was going to be for you from the start.
You drafted living laser. You turned yourself into an energy being.
Mjolnir can absorb energy, even from a distance, and even exotic energies like those fired from Hell Lord Pluto.
It can also forcibly suck you dry, whether you like it or not:
Oddly enough, I did it to a being of living energy much like yourself:
And you have literally been contained by human machinery:
And that was after he received a substantial boost in power.
But wait, you can move at light speed.
Well first off youíre going to need to think about it:
You werenít given true light speed movement, only the ability without much to any of the control and that is admitted by your guy and proven by him multiple times as heís easily caught and evaded by iron man:
Sure he can hit him, but it takes quite a bit of aiming and trying.
So yeahÖ
Itís just a stretch to automatically assume that spells will now be woven at light speed. Though you can certainly turn into energy form and fly at light speed. Though youíll be immediately absorbed, as the hammer will always be looking for energy to eat.
Hereís Living Laser after yet another enhancement. Heís basically the juggernaut of Metaís in the sense that he gets ďenhancedĒ but it never does anything:
Living Laser literally gets his kill blow caught BY THE WRIST by Iron Man.
Iíve yet to see anything suggesting this ridiculous increase to speed you will not doubt mention that isnít something Dr. Strange could already do on his own. It truly seems like a total misfire to have drafted Laser, because on top of that youíre now weak to EMPís:
Maybe one like this:

Trying to hurt me with magic? Who do you think I am, Superman?
Dr. Strange as youíve been using him was at his most classic and broken.
Loki showed him limits:

Thor has dedicated his life to humiliate Loki:
Even while in a savagely reduced weakened state, Thor can literally slam away spells of protection, and interrupt mental attacks by Loki. This is as a frog lol.
Who is broken AF by the way, beating back Nightmare in his own realm:

Thorís storms actually kept Malekith from going intangible, and he can sustain them in the background without having to worry about managing them.
Thor can break her absolute hold on him just be becoming angry enough.

Thor breaks her illusion over the entire Asgardian army with a Mjolnir wave in her own realm no less.
Dr. Strange:
I can dispel even the crimson bands of Cytorak with a simple lightning blast.
So Iíve got a good history with magic. But since I am facing the Sorcerer Supreme, even with a handicap of living laserÖThereís a good chance youíll try to go intangible or some nonsense.

Thor also does well against a variety of magic:
Here Thor knocks Dracula out of his incorporeal form with his lightning
By heating up his molecules no less, that canít be dodged.
Here Thor does the same to an energy vampire who stole Herculesí will, then absorbs his intangible form and shoots it into the sun:
The point Iím trying to make here is that Dr. Strange isnít going to be safe even if heís immaterial.
Just ask Vision:

BUT thereís a particular form that will doom Dr. Strange for sure, should he assume Astral form, heíll be immediately eaten by either the power of Mjolnir:
(And I can do Mjolnir even without you in that form)
Or Sinister:
And I have both 
Iím afraid youíre in for a rough time, Abhi old pal.


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because of possible formatting issues, both competitors are allowed to fix any broken links before any rebuttals are made. obviously they do not count against post counts. good luck gents, and have at it! thumb up


Old Post Aug 12th, 2018 02:41 AM
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Okay, you posted about as expected. thumb up Nothing there that canít be dealt with so Iíd say thatís a good start. For me, that is.
So to recap for any judges who may not have seen, my move about summoning the gear has been stricken from the match, so please disregard anything that had to both with me using the gear and me summoning the gear. I make the distinction because itís about to become very important.
In my OP I traded a little bit of time for the boon of placing on highly defensive and offensive increasing gear that Thor has in a pocket dimension. But because that is now a no go, my plan moves forward significantly faster.
So hereís how Abhi described his opener, put up shields, hides, goes for a nullification of Mjolnir, teleport, power drain, gg, etc.
We have very similar openers. thumb up
With one fatal difference.
You donít know where I am dude. thumb up
I explicitly mentioned that I can track even through dimensions. And being able to hide from Iron Man (lol?) doesnít mean you can hide from me.
And yes, tracking is important in this tournament:
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, if that's the case, i'd need my OP back to readjust since when i saw the distance i accounted for it. i'd actually accounted from standard and extreme distances knowing that we are to show up in random locations.

technically, we should be appearing on opposite sides of the PLANET, not just 50km. since i wasn't sure where we'd be in relation to each other because i didn't know the BF, i did a quick blurb for each. when i saw the bf i got rid of the other standard distance part. i shouldn't have though, since the characters themselves aren't supposed to have any idea where they are being dropped....

And it was indeed specified to be 50km distance.
Yet you, acted as if I was there within your reach.
I teleported a black hole onto you, and while you react to that, are immediately circled by a spinning Mjolnir, that breaks your magical energies to such an extent that even shields from Cytorak that can tank a god blast are turned to nothing. All of this happens much quicker now that I am not burdened by having to gear myself.
So with you ignoring how exactly youíre going to find me, that guarantees my initial phase to work, your magic has been stripped from you and your atoms have been torn apart by the black hole or by my storm which is striking with such ferocity that it affects between dimensions.
The constant raining lightning has kept even high end magicians like Malekeith from assuming intangibility, posted again for emphasis:
The Dangers of Spinning Mjolnir
Have Mjolnir spin around you really is a bad deal by the way. I chose to nullify your magic and sap your strength:
but it can do other things to you also:
Note it went far greater than light, and Iím already throwing it light speed plus. Once again, your own scans really do show how irrelevant Living Laser was a choice. Worse than irrelevant really when you can now be absorbed and hurt by EMPís.
It can also do this:
That was the real honest to goodness Ymir, about the same level as Surtur and Thor banished him with a whirlwind, the same kind of whirlwind raging around you.
So true, I picked the magic cancellation because it will knock out your magic long enough for me to kill you, but Iíve got a lot of variety I can switch up with a thought if I feel like it.
One more:
I can completely phase you out of reality. In such a way for an auto win/bfr as well.
And of course, thereís no escaping heat seeking Mjolnir:
Detects and dispels Mephistoís illusions in his own domain.
Letís talk intangibility
Iíd need some hard proof of Strange being able to cast spells of such a caliber while intangible. Otherwise, itís common sense that you need to materialize in order to use your abilities.
Unless youíre talking about using your astral form, which is different standard intangibility, wasnít specified and leaves your body quite vulnerable.

For 3 reasons:
1. Your spells are weaker in astral form, and the feedback to them can short you out:

- Namorís will alone was enough to rock Strange into an unconscious state.
2. You can be hurt by Asgardian artifacts.
- The Bloodaxe is a far weaker artifact than Mjolnir, and you took blast damage from it no less.

NOTE: Dr. Strange admits that that form is quite difficult for him to maintain:
3. You would leave your physical body quite vulnerable. Since astral form is projecting out of your body, it leave it where it was, vulnerable to me.
So you would need to produce something that shows you cannot only cast the sheer variety of spells that you produced, but casually and intangible? I donít think so.
Living Laser intangibilityÖ
Once again, you are an energy creature. The way someone we all know and love is:
That is exactly what will happen to you, and I can do it even without Mjolnir in hand.

Iím not kidding, living laser was a handicap.
And ontop of that, Thor has multiple instances of striking the intangible:

Part 1


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Old Post Aug 16th, 2018 07:59 AM
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So you think you can take MjolnirÖ
Your chances of encasing Mjolnir in anything are less than nothing. Thereís no point in this match where Mjolnir is going less than multiple times the speed of light.
Even Silver Surfer canít catch it:
Innumerable times the speed of light at that point, and it was only returning to my hand.
Also hardee har har. Youíre going to throw it into the sun and destroy it eh? First off, Mjolnir can teleport back to my hand:
This isnít a comic, youíre not separating me from Mjolnir.
Though you may want to reconsider weakening the magic around Mjolnir or trying to destroy it. (not that you could ) because if you want to use Jason Aaron so badly, then this is the next step:
The mother storm is released and I absorb it, bringing all of its power into myself. But feel free to tamper with Mjolnir thumb up
Youíre not that fastÖ
So to reiterate, youíve made a big deal about being so quick that you can lightspeed weave spells because of Living Laser.
erm Youíre lying to yourself.
Living Laser does not have a single light speed combat showing. I understand the intent behind his speed, but he has always been only relatively faster than iron man, and heís been evaded, blasted, trapped, absorbed and beaten regularly, all while still having his ďlightspeedĒ, which was never upgraded, only his power was:
Not speed.
Even at his strongest:
Canít outreact Ironman
Once again, fail. I posted more example in my previous post and will do so again in the next. You did not do yourself any favors drafting Living Loser.
Things you said that wonít hurt me but may tickle me
Moving on, you brought up the point that because you blasted the Hulk that it would do me harm eh?
Youíre not fighting hero SinisThor. Youíre fighting SinisThor, God of Thunder.
First off, I have shields on all the time:
Even personalized ones:

So good luck there, then thereís the fact that Thor is actually incredibly difficult to put down with energy alone:
I can literally fight within the essence of Surtur himself indefinitely. Burning the entire time, but still fighting.
After all that, Thor still kills the Midgard serpent with one blast.
And that was before my body took on whatever Sinister is made out of, so even if I am hurt, I instantly repair. Physical damage isnít hurting Thor.
Controlling me with illusions or anything of the like doesnít work on me if I donít want it to.
Not only does SinisThor have an incredible mind to discern through what is real and what is not, a mind that can give Xavier the fight of his life even within his own body:
And note that Xavier needed an outside distraction to push back Sinister.
But I also have Thorís incredible mental fortitude:
Even when the Stranger knocked down the rest of the Avengers, Moon Dragon included, Thor stood up and took it to him.
Thor overpowers the influence of Morgana le Fayís spell, and that a spell that overtook the entirety of the Avengers, even gods like Hercules:
She was of course, amped by the Twilight sword. Which for reference to whoever isnít aware of the power of the twilight sword:
once again Thor deals with the twilight swordís magics, this time held by Hela:
So I donít know how many scans of Thor doing well against magic I need to keep posting, but his history is quite extensive.

So quick recap, you missed your opening strike, because you assumed Iíd be within visible distance, you got a black hole teleported on you, you got your shields shut off, your magics have counters to them, Mjolnir can instantly teleport to my hand should I need it to, and I am impossible to put down. Neither mentally or physically, while I can attack you physically, and spiritually.

Part 2


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First of all, I never understand the draft of Living Laser. There are literally a ton of much better speedsters in meta tier, ones with actual good COMBAT SPEED/reflexes feats. Living Laser... if you hype him up, you may as well give FTL reflexes to Iron Man, which is BS.
So, I don't believe that increased travel speed will translate to increased combat speed.

Second, while Abhi threw everything and the kitchen sink regarding the feats of Strange, he gave no proof of hiding from Mjolnir guided attack, which at 50 km distance may prove fatal. Had he a speedster like Northstar with actual reflexes/thinking feats, he could have had a chance. As of now, his only proof of increased thinking speed... is the scan of Strange himself. And then the question is WTF Living Laser contributes to other than extra vulnerabulities?

Third, the route of attacks of Damborgson was much more suited to the opening distance, and so...

Damborgson is the winner of the match. Sorry, darling, and I wish the best to you regarding your recovery, but Living Laser was a plain handicap, that contributed literally nothing.


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Short and sweet.

Much of Abhi's strategy relies on using the speed of light of living Laser to make Strange's spells faster. Borg skilfully undermined this with a scan of LL himslef thinking contrary to his statement of light speed. This takes away the quick draw for Abhi completely. In essense it leaves him with only Strange vs Borgs amalgam and a weakened strange at that (as Borg showed how an energy form made for an easy opponent.

Sinister I find a good merge with Thor as it removes most od the CIS that costs Thor victories in forums. The usual arguments that Thor doesnt use his esoteric abilities because of being a noble warrior fly out the wžndow.

Put simply here Borg clearly showed his amalgam could cut off Strange's magic AND absorb LL.

Borg takes the win as I see it.


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i'll add my vote since the other judges have become tied up for the moment....

i don't have much to add to what boks and cdb have already said. maybe with another couple posts abhi could have countered some of the negative living laser stuff, but in this match in particular he def seemed more a hindrance than an asset. if he had some clear combat and thinking speed feats that would MAYBE have been difference but an energy being vs the hammer? that almost never ends well. too many plausible defenses for the hammer. the hammer is also legendary against magic. again, with more posts maybe abhi could have poked wholes in borg's offense and defense (i did find that borg once again used a little bit of the kitchen sink approach for offense and defense and could maybe have tried a less....scattery approach? lol) but amply showed magical defenses and options and we've seen how well sinister shores up his mental defenses.

in short, i didn't think abhi was fast enough to pull off what he wanted to, nor was i convinced a lot of his magic would work against a proven magic countering plot device. decision BORG

well done and thanks to all who took part. this did not run as smoothly as i would have liked but for those who did their part, a big thanks. i'll remember for the future tourneys. thumb up


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