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HavocHound
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Do you want me around or not?

Practically all of my threads have been closed. As such, I can't clear up any misunderstandings except in a different thread, hence this one.

As for my Empire - Alliance comparison to the Taliban - Norther Alliance, I never said they were 100% compatible. It had nothing to do with the 'specific' ideals of either other than one being the oppressor and the other being the resistor.

As for being called "naziistic" because of my ideals - talk about hypocrisy on the part of my persecutors! I'm anti-totalitarian. That includes National Socialism. I oppose ALL forms of tyranny, whether Left or Right. Remember, the political spectrum is a circle, not a line. There are 4 quadrants: upper & lower-left and upper & lower-right. Up = freedom. Down = oppression. Left = collectivist. Right = individualist (except for lower-right which is supremacist).

As for the Jarist Allied Resistance, since the Anti-Jar Constortium has manipulated popular opinion through their allies in the media, anyone with a differing opinion is seen as a dissentor and therefore is of an 'underground' (read: unpopular) opinion. I tend to put everything into terms of Right vs. Might. I have an over-analytical mind. I can't help it.

As for the Bill of Rights being part of the government, allow me to explain. The Bill of Rights protects citizens from an overpowered State by acknowledging humanity's inherent freedom. The Constitution is meant to keep government within limits as the servant of the citizens and not the master.

I hope that clears things up. Every accusation made against me is a misunderstanding. If you want me gone, I'll go. I leave you in peace.

Catch you on the Flipside.


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Old Post Oct 26th, 2001 02:36 PM
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Dim
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Havoc, we want you around but you really need to leave these topics at the door..it makes people uncomfortable and we are here to have a good time. I don't think anyone here want to spend time debating Gun Rights with you. We have diverse political views and we just accept that and move on.


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don't look at me; I'm not a mod big grin
wait a sec... confused

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Tex
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Yeah, what Dim said smile


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Ushgarak
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This place has plenty of people who like Jar-Jar, HH. The thread was closed by my colleague because it belonged in Promotions. We are not about suppressing debate here but things must go in their place.

As for the rest of it... gee, that really could cause a huge debate. I think Dim is right in wanting it left behind. But just be aware that there are some people that will find your views extremely oppressive, and that is not because of a misunderstanding of vour views, but because it simply scares the crap out of them. Personally I understand what you say and where you are coming from just fine, though I agree with barely any of it.

We'd be out of order to not want you around just because of some of your views, however.

So, as far as I am concenred, stick around. But as I explained in the Welcome forum, if your threads get closed, it's not because we are trying to censor you, it is because they upset people and will only cause trouble. It's nothing personal. But the wishes of all people here must be taken into account, not just your own.


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Old Post Oct 26th, 2001 08:29 PM
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Damn straight it was. Keep the Spam in the Monty Pyphon threads... laughing out loud

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OH, and for the record, YES!!!! The more the merrier, I just find some of your threads a little..... out there. smile

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Stick around chap.

BTW is your "catch you on the flipside" from The Boondock Saints film, cus thats a classic! smokin' smokin'


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Nah, actually it's a reference to Kidd Video - one of my favorite '80s cartoons. I say it all the time.

~~~~~

"But the wishes of all people here must be taken into account, not just your own."

I wouldn't ask anything else. But don't I qualify as a person?

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I refer to almost everything in terms of oppressor vs. resistor. It's just something you have to get used to with me. I refer to anything that isn't mainstream as 'underground'.


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Old Post Oct 27th, 2001 12:51 PM
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Ushgarak
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Of course you do! And your wishes ARE taken into account, I assure you.


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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

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Old Post Oct 27th, 2001 12:53 PM
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If I put something in the wrong forum, just move it. I don't mind. I just don't like it when I make a thread and a bunch of people reply to it after taking it all out of context and then it gets deleted or closed so I can't explain things without complicating everything by having to make another thread just to explain myself.

By the way, what if I find a politically-correct viewpoint to be offensive? After all, political-correctness and Zero-Tolerance ideals heinously violate the entire concept of individuality and freedom. Since individuality and freedom are the basis of my ideology, why shouldn't I be offended? And while I bring that up, why would anyone be offended by me if I believe in freedom and individuality? Why would those ideals offend anyone unless they were a tyrant - which I don't think you guys are.

This isn't the first time this has happened to me. This happens to me all the time, everywhere I go (no wonder Jar Jar is my hero!). It reminds me of the last line of the theme song from Weird Science: "...why can't people understand...my intentions?" confused


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Old Post Oct 27th, 2001 01:07 PM
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Ushgarak
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Well, it's a complex area, to be sure, however, I think you will find yourself isolated if you go down that road.

Anyway, I think Dim was right in not wanting an argument about all this, and she IS mod around here... I'd happily argue it all day (and not in an accusatory way,. I assure you), but it's not a good idea, it'll only bring up bad feeling once everyone gets involved

So if you think we are all wrong in how we feel about you, fine. I'd love to talk you out of that but it's just a bad road to go down. Let;s keep things happy.


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"We've got maybe seconds before Darth Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers and not one of you buds has the midi-chlorians to stop her!"

"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"

BtVS

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KJ
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I don't think that's possible Ush. It's turned into "American History X" around here. sad


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Tex
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OOOOO, that was a really good movie. So sad the ending was sad


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Good but disturbing.


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nothing wrong with disturbing


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some disturbing films are among the best, like Requiem for a Dream. but disturbing posts are another matter.


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HH, I understand your frustration. When I first got here (a month or two ago) I didn't understand the logic here, either. And to tell you the truth, I still don't.

I agree that this forum is for fun, and should be left at fun. I've questioned authority here, in the closing of my forums, or the seriousness some people took my harmless fun.

In our busy lives of working, school, or whatever, it's nice to get on a forum and say what you want.

I must tell you, I do disagree with your views on politics, but those are YOUR views, and they should be honored (or at least respected) here. As long as you're not preaching to people, it should be cool.

However, ( and don't take this as an insult) you do seem to have a rather disturbing outlook on government. I respect what you think, but now (especially after Sept. 11), anyone who comes in and says "Government sucks ass" is stepping up to the plate for trouble.

You should stick around. I had my doubts when I first arrived. But I'm glad I'm still here. I have a busy life, and I have hundreds of friends, but I really do like coming here at the end of my day to see what my killermovies.com buds have to say about life.

Stay here. We'll get to know you. I'm sure that you mean no harm, and in time, everyone will see that.

Peace, bud. smile


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Yes stay around and be 'one' with the forum big grin


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quote:
Originally posted by HavocHound
This isn't the first time this has happened to me. This happens to me all the time, everywhere I go confused
To me that would be a sign... wink

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