So I was watching Cold Mountain last night on DVD. I have to admit I was more than a little shocked at the whole love scene between Nicole Kidman and Jude Law. How does that qualify for an "R" rating? Looked like NC-17 to me. Or as they used to call em the big ole X-rated scene. I can rember when the Last Picture Show came out and peeps were all up in arms. I think the point I'm trying to make is, are their other people out there that think they have finally begun to go too far in what they are allowing to pass for an "R" rating? How did that detail that was shown in that scene add anything necessary the story line? I would like to keep this a mature discussion so those of you that cant control yourselves (ei: that scene was hot!! Nicoles t*ts were hot!! Judes ass was hot!!!) please move along because thats SO not what this thread is about k?
PS If the powers that be need to move this feel free.
I see your point relating to the "is that necessary to the storyline" part of it. The same goes for some teen movies out nowadays, but I won't get into that junk.
I am a big proponent of certain movies striving for the "R" rating, but for reasons other than sex. I feel that in certain movies a lot of the intensity and feeling are lost by production companies settling for a PG-13 rating to make more money.
To make a long rant short, here are examples, and ask and answer these six questions:
1) Would Braveheart have been as effective if it were PG-13 as opposed to R?
2) Would Kids have been as effective if it were PG-13 instead of not being rated (in some places)?
3) Would Starship Troopers (for more reasons than just the violence) have been as effective if it were PG?
4) Could King Arthur (coming out soon, rated PG-13) possibly lose some of its potential luster due to having toned-down battle scenes to avoid the "R" rating?
5) Would Darkness Falls have been better or worse if it had been bumped up to an "R" rating?
6) Could Lord of the Rings been more intense if it were "R"-rated? It certainly would have made less money as a consequence.
Also, regardless of how good it was, I was glad Troy had the guts to proceed into the Summer Movie process with its "R"-rating, while I was disappointed in The Chronicles of Riddick taking the sorry way out with PG-13, especially after the first one was rated R.
well I havent seen Cold Mountain, but when it comes to showing some skin, the Americans are way too "chicken". It is ok that someones head is blown to pieces but they yell up whenever a breast is shown. Guess we Scandinavians are a little more liberated in the view of showing some skin ...... and the lot . But if it have an R rating I dont see what the big deal is. If you watch a R rated film you now you are infor some scenes that might seem uneasy on some but hell you better be prepared because of the R rating
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I must agree many times over... you know that seeing that sorta stuff here will make your eyes mush and fall out of your head, s'why the government is so protective of us
you guys missed my point altogether. My point is that I feel Cold Mountain should have been rated NC-17 considering what they showed in that particular scene. I mean I'm sorry but Nicole Kidmans bush, and the shot that certainly looked like penetration (if you know what I mean) were at bit much for an R rated film IMHO. I can handle and R for some violecne, sexuality, language and the lot it just seems we are pushing the envelope alot of the time, simply to get an R rating because and NC-17 is the kiss of death for a film.
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You answered your own question:Therefore, why doom their film? Somehow, some way, it was rated R. It's not like it was rated PG-13 and it should've been NC-17. The only real difference between the ratings are that parents couldn't take their kids to see NC-17 movies (No Children Under 17), and R is Restricted to People under 17.. so if parents felt their kids could see that, then sobeit, I guess. Better money, better ratings.. it even got nominated for an Oscar or two if I'm not mistaken... if it were NC-17, would that have happened? Who knows, but someone must have had a good reason for making it R. Again, there's no real 'age difference' between R and NC-17. botankus also answered your question, unless you ignored his post.
IN MY OPINION THAT MOVIE AND A FEW OTHERS ARE INCHES AWAY FROM PORN AND THEREFORE DESERVE A STRONGER RATING.
just because it has high profile stars etc in it doesnt make it acceptable.
I dont think there is any way to make you understand where I am coming from because we are light years apart in age and life experience. But there are alot of people I know over 30 that felt the same way I did when they saw it.
and no botankus didnt....because with the exception of Fin...no one got the point I was trying to make.
er I just said that and you made excellent points botankus, I'm sorry I didnt mean for you to think I didnt appreciate your imput. I agree with the points you made, it just wasnt the answer to the question I posed....maybe I should have found a better way to rephrase the Q.
Argh back to iggey with you. I dont know why you go out of your way to be such a huge pain in MY ass by being snide all the time but the facts are this
A. There are MANY MANY things in life where age and life experience DO MATTER
B. As a parent who has had high school aged kids trying to get into R rated movies this is NOT the type of movie I want them seeing.
C. You dont have kids that age, therefore you cant possibly understand this concept in the terms that I am addressing it.
D. Come back and talk to me when you have the experience to know what I am talking about.
Then the title of this thread is wrong. It should not be "The True Meaning of an "R" rating," because to discuss that would be the "meaning" of the rating, like what it stands for.
Yours should have been titled, "I went to Blockbuster to get Cold Mountain and they gave me Debbie Does Dallas instead--"
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The only thing I meant is don't parade your "age" around, and expect to get special treatment. So you say you're 43, that's all good and nice, except nobody cares. How's my age showing? That you're "Oh ho, at least you're not 43 " posts get pretty irritating after awhile? Age doesn't matter, everyone has their own opinions, and they all equally count, no matter the age. This is a Community, not a "Join if you're 43 and proud of it" board. Oh my, then you go and edit your post...
So, you try your hardest to burst a 16 year old's bubble? How sad is this; you're a grown woman, or so you say, and you just sit here and expect everyone to agree with you. Welcome to the world, lady. Oh, and thank you for ordering your reasons into neat bullets, my meager mind cannot comprehend those big paragraphs you big old people write. Being a "high school aged kid" myself, I know that no matter what you do, your kids can see this movie if they really wanted to. Nothing any parent can do, unless they lock their kid in a room for the rest of their life, is going to prevent these horrible things you call sex and violence. If they're in High School, they should be almost able to see this movie on their own anyway, so don't put too much effort into stopping them.
You're right! I don't have kids that age! Good job, Captain Obvious, how many times have I heard that one? No matter how much you think your "experience" matters, your "experience" is seriously outdated. If you're 43, you were your kid's age in 1976 or so. Just in case you didn't gather, things have changed a bit between now and then. And if you're not willing to accept that fact, then that's your problem.
One of the many times you think that a few wrinkles on your face mean something. You could be an enlightened munk, or you could be a mentally ill senior, either way, you still can't judge and dismiss the opinions of others, especially those that are younger. And I told you before, don't make pointless triumphs of age being supreme, and I wouldn't go "iggey" on you. Not to even mention that you completely ignored the main part of my post, the part that was ON-topic. I'm not going out of my way to be "such a huge pain in your ass by being snide," much less you going out of your way to advertise your so-called age. I believe you that age sometimes matters and that quite a few things in life need the age and experience, but sitting on your ass, typing on a keyboard, discussing a vagina in a movie that you're mad at does not require lifelong experience. Now, when you can be civil and accept the views of others, and avoid parading your age as if it's a trophy of your excellence, you can come back and talk to me. Sorry if I burst your bubble, Grandma.
And to everyone else that's been posting on the topic, finti and botankus, I apologize that I brought the thread off-topic further than it was put.
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fur further reference and cause I wanted to look things up...
G: General Audience. All ages admitted. This signifies that the film rated contains nothing most parents will consider offensive for even their youngest children to see or hear. Nudity, sex scenes, and scenes of drug use are absent; violence is minimal; snippets of dialogue may go beyond polite conversation but do not go beyond common everyday expressions.
PG: Parental Guidance Suggested. Some material may not be suitable for children. This signifies that the film rated may contain some material parents might not like to expose to their young children - material that will clearly need to be examined or inquired about before children are allowed to attend the film. Explicit sex scenes and scenes of drug use are absent; nudity, if present, is seen only briefly, horror and violence do not exceed moderate levels.
PG-13: Parents Strongly Cautioned. Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13. This signifies that the film rated may be inappropriate for pre-teens. Parents should be especially careful about letting their younger children attend. Rough or persistent violence is absent; sexually-oriented nudity is generally absent; some scenes of drug use may be seen; one use of the harsher sexually derived words may be heard.
R: Restricted-Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian (age varies in some locations). This signifies that the rating board has concluded that the film rated contains some adult material. Parents are urged to learn more about the film before taking their children to see it. An R may be assigned due to, among other things, a film's use of language, theme, violence, sex or its portrayal of drug use.
NC-17: No One 17 and Under Admitted. This signifies that the rating board believes that most American parents would feel that the film is patently adult and that children age 17 and under should not be admitted to it. The film may contain explicit sex scenes, an accumulation of sexually-oriented language, or scenes of excessive violence. The NC-17 designation does not, however, signify that the rated film is obscene or pornographic.
edit: cleaned up the mess I made with the tags
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Therefore, it's up to the parents to decide whether they want their teens or children to see the movie. If they deem it inappropriate, then they simply don't allow their kids to see the movie, simple as that. The MPAA does this as their job, so they must know what's obscenely pornographic and what isn't. Thanks for finding that, yerssot, good info.
I havent seen the movie, so i cant say how bad the scene was or it wasnt.
Generaly, Americans have an issue with showing some skin. And like botankus said, its ok for some guy's head to blow up to pieces, but it isnt alright for little skin.
Again, I havent seen the movie, so i dont know what the scene is like.
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LOLOLOL good one... and yes I had actually already discussed that with Ush. I didnt mean you were not of age to post, I just get tied of a certain individuals smart assed remarks.... Try not to read into anything thats said between it and I. Its been a long standing diff of opinion in most things. But thanks to the rest of you guys for adding your thoughts. And thanks Yerrsot for finding that info. Sorry for not posting it clear enough. Oh and Im not grandma yet but I cant wait for the day!
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and you made excellent points botankus, I'm sorry I didnt mean for you to think I didnt appreciate your imput. I agree with the points you made, it just wasnt the answer to the question I posed....maybe I should have found a better way to rephrase the Q. 
