I support the war because their was a mad man over murdering peoples famlies I heard this one where he broke a fathers neck right infront of his kids and then crushed his head with a jeep now does that sound like a good man I'm glad president bush got sadam out of their he deserves the death penalty for all those he killed.
Bush I was a bad guy too. The fact that He imposed the strong economic sanctions he did on Iraq directly correlates to the fact that over 500,000 women and children starved to death or died because they did not have access to proper medicine. Think about the actions of your own president before you start bombing other countries. They are lots of "bad" presidents out there too, like in China, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Lybia... but we dont really care about those leaders because they dont have oil. The exception to that is Saudi Arabia (15 of the 19 hijackers were saudi), who has a bad, extremist government, but they are complacent and provide us with oil so we look the other way. Learn more before you take sides with a racist, oppressive, and imperialistic perspective.
The "Saddam was a bad guy" argument is a stupid one.
Yes, he gassed his own people, yes he did all these bad human rights abuses--but guess what? We didn't care for all those years then all of a sudden we decide "Now is the time!"
Meanwhile there is genocide happening in Sudan, war, poverty and rulers JUST AS EVIL around the globe. Heard of Kim Jong Il? I understand invading N Korea would be nearly impossible, but we never even mentioned him (except in the "Axis of Evil" speech). How about Than Shwe? How abotu Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe or our good friend Crown Prince Abdullah from Saudi Arabia?
We went into Iraq because we believed that Saddam had WMDs. Hell, I believed Bush at the time. Why would a President lie to us? the UN begged us for more time to continue their weapons searches. They never found anything or any evidence of any sort of program. We still haven't
So the current administration changed their minds over why we went in.
And the war in Iraq HAS redirected funds from the real War on Terrorism. Funds were taken from the Afghanistan conflict to go towards Iraq. We still haven't found Osama bin Laden. Bush said that bin Laden is "no longer important". Well, Al Qaeda was still strong enough to pull off the Madrid bombings and perhaps alter the elections there.
The war in Iraq was a mistake, and a costly one at that; 1000 dead US soldiers, thousands of injured US soldiers and an estimated 15,000 dead Iraq civilians.
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am I supposed to feel bad for that person?
He knew the risks that he took when he entered that country. If the Iraqi's are as nice as he says they are....then why was he beheaded after pleading for his life on camera for 5 minutes?
Because he was to be made an example of. His fate was determined before he was ever forced to sit down and make that video.
Iraqi's are killing their own Iraqi police and security forces...and it's ALLLLL America's fault. Yah sure...
I would be in favor of removing all US contractors and military personel, if they were the only ones who were getting attacked. But right now, radicals are destroying their own society and taking the lives of their own people. Not a day goes by where you don't hear about an Iraqi police officer getting killed.
I don't feel bad for this person because he is no different than any other person who has died in Iraq. In fact, the idea of begging for your life when it is already lost....is almost disgusting to me. Accept your fate, make your peace with God, and get it over with. The people who taped this cry for help, probably watched it over and over again laughing at how pathetic he made himself seem.
"These are compassionate people Mr. Blair....(they'll be head me once the camera is off)"
I got a great idea. Lets just pack up all of our stuff and leave the country in absolute shambles. Then where would Iraq be? And how much worst would the worlds view of the US be if they just left Iraq after destroying it?
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No real reason? And how did you come up with that conclusion? Isn't it because we actually went into Iraq through invasion that we we're able to look around at EVERY facility (without interference) we wanted and found out that there wasn't.
Thus you and everyone in the world know for their isn't WMD, instead of just speculations?
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So True.
You can all sit here and say...."we have no business in there, there are no WMD in Iraq"
But what if we found those weapons?? huh?
I'm sure we wouldn't hear you saying a damn thing. Infact, we wouldn't hear a damn thing from anyone on this damn planet except "good job America"
Instead....as usual...it's America's fault "our bad." Big whoop, we were wrong, it's arrogant as hell for me to say this, but what the hell is the rest of the world gonna do about it? We're wrong....oh well.
We KNOW that North Korea is pursuing nuclear weapons
We KNOW that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons
there was absolutely NO evidence that Iraq was. Yet Iraq was the country we invaded. They were also the country that has no capability of attacking the US on US soil. The UN was looking for years and they never found anything. It's like the red scare all over again only on an international level "I think he's got nuclear weapons!" has replaced "He's a communist!"
And like YOU SAID, you believed him at the time too. Certainly you didn't believe only what Bush said right? 'Cause they're were other infos you based your opinion off of. It wasn't just 'cause Bush said it thus you believed it. You yourself let your opinion sway towards the president.
Seriously, did YOU know for SURE that there wasn't any WMD in Iraq BEFORE we invaded it? You yourself, not the UN cause it was you who believed the president.
Hmmm...Iraq still had WMD's when they kicked out weapons inspectors in 1998 and there was never a known Iraqi program to destroy them. Wonder where they went then?
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oh yeah and the 40% of the economic allocation to private funds, palaces and arms had nothing to do with that.... oh and you should acctually thank Clinton for not dealing properly with Saddam during his presidency even though after we crushed Saddam originally he allowed his helicopter gunships to slaughter the Kurds in the North....
Considering also that 100% were Muslim are you going to blame the entire religion for the actions of gutless mad men?
oh and on the leader issue.... name a country with an actuall "good" leader... i am curious to what you see as a "good" one.
God .... you can thank Clinton for the ignoring Saddam... even though every year he defied the UN and US by kicking out our inspectors... we did something finally because sanctions mandated action. Re-directing funds to conventional military operations will have no effect on the forces that we truelly rely on... Spy and Special Forces. Kerry's solution to the problem is enlarging the special forces.... STUPIDEST THING YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO.... special forces are the cream of the crop. the reason they do not except more members is becuase no one can possibly pass thier tests in large numbers. Increasing thier size means lowering thier standards which diminishes effectiveness. Which is Bad.
Begging us? if you remember correctly the UN inspectors were kicked out yet again.... at the time.... i swear everyone has long term memory problems.... we didn't just wake up and say lets invade... it took like 5 months to attack... they had enough altimatums and convining time...
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Unfourtunetly when we get the good job it will probably be when they release gas in the center of bagdad as a last ditch effort because we are kicking thier asses so bad they are turning to kidnapping.
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Ytaker agreed with me once on October 9th, 2004
Sep 23rd, 2004 05:55 PM
oh yeah and the 40% of the economic allocation to private funds, palaces and arms had nothing to do with that.... oh and you should acctually thank Clinton for not dealing properly with Saddam during his presidency even though after we crushed Saddam originally he allowed his helicopter gunships to slaughter the Kurds in the North.... 
if you remember correctly the UN inspectors were kicked out yet again.... at the time.... 
