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Zeal Ex Nihilo
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I want the U.S. to go back to the foreign policy of neutrality and isolationism. How do you all feel about this?


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I could go either way on that issue. So long as I'm left alone I don't care though.


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i think that if they want to exploit every country in the world to get cheap goods then they should have the balls to help countries that need it

they use underhand tactics to get what they want economically

they told britain that it had to import bananas from US owned companies otherwise it would stop imports of British cashmier wool...

they use the tactic of "if you deal with them...then we wont deal with you"

they use that economic extortion to keep potential "enemy" countries in economic trouble...just ask russia


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it'd be nice but we'd get screwed over by terrorism so fast it wouldn't be funny

technology has made isolationism quite impossible in this day and age- the enemy can reach through many means


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if we became less involved worldwide, we could spend more money defending our countries soil and boosting security. therefore, there would be less terrorism


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If you had kept to yourself in the first place you wouldn'T have any enemies. You should do it like in WWI just act if its neccesary....and nowadays best with the help of the UN


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If the US would just try and act accordingly with the UN and not play "cavalier seul" all the time there would be far less problems I think.


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If the US would just try and act accordingly with the UN and not play "cavalier seul" all the time there would be far less problems I think.
if UN actually just tried to function just for some seonds ther might be far less problems

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Re: Neutrality

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.. and isolationism. ?

awh..do detail that
roll eyes (sarcastic)


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if UN actually just tried to function just for some seonds ther might be far less problems

Arguably, the UN has been left like a debating governing society because of US vetoes upon numerous issues and cases on which the UN has deemed the policies illegal and harmful, but such a governing body like the UN is not within the Administration's sights, that they cannot let their own agenda be limited by the United Nations, who are deemed useless, especially with the new nomination of John Bolton, who is by far the biggest critic of the UN and is now the US representative of the UN council. While the UN does make attempts to keep the US in check, the US does not want to be held in check. They feel above international law; and there are plenty of examples within today's media and the years past of such practices by the Bush Administration, namely, the Human Rights violations of torture, the Iraq War, and most recently, the US party on the case of genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Because of such disdain by the US on the UN's International Criminal Court(which has placed many US plans and policies illegal), the US is attempting to create a new tribunal for the Sudanese disaster, bypassing the already functional ICC, and delaying the process of putting the perpetrators to justice.

The US will never have an attempt at neutrality, for it is an empire, and within every president's doctrine that they have the power to use aggression at any states they feel to; imperialism, colonialism, whichever you prefer, it is only the Bush Administration's extremism that is creating the isolationism in which was the desired effect by the author of this thread. Simply, with every US intervention, with every act of aggression against 'rogue' states, and every tendency of "do as we say, not as we do"-Americanism, the US is fast becoming more isolated than ever, much deeper than neutrality can ever produce. Even President Bush has stated "you're either with us, or against us". That attitude has certainly shown that so many are not 'with us', but for sheer audacity, they are implemented as enemies, even though many have been victims of terrorism themselves. The more this Administration demands from the world, the more other nations will be askance towards the US, further isolating the military empire. It will prove disastrous.

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should be careful, America policy after WW1 was a cause of ww2. Also many Americans think they don't need the world. FALSE and America would collapse if it did isolate itself from the world. Where would you get all the resources and goods for 300 million people. Point china,middle east, japan and Canada have trade surplus's because America imports more then it exports.
Note if the US econmey goes down the trade defcit will be the cause imo.!


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Originally posted by Echuu
it'd be nice but we'd get screwed over by terrorism so fast it wouldn't be funny

technology has made isolationism quite impossible in this day and age- the enemy can reach through many means


Not so, that's the goal of the terrorists. For us to mind our own buisness.
Hell, if we pulled outta Israel alone, we'd have a lot less trouble with terrorism.

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Isolationism doesn't mean (atleast in contemporary usage)
a complete cutting off of ties and contacts with the world.,
simple not interfering, especially militarily, in other nations'
affairs.

The US can be isolationist, but still have all the trade, ties,
friendships, travel, and cultural/intellectual contacts with
the rest of the world.


I should point out, that where this country (the US) went
really wrong, was not so much after WWI, but rather after
WWII, with that paranoid, FDR-betrayer Harry Truman.

Almost every single problem that the US has faced in the
past 60 years comes from that bastard. From Korea (he
cut the country, then entered the war), to Vietnam (he
betrayed FDR's original plan to push for the dissolution
of the British and French empires, helping to restore them,
including the French in S-E Asiabacked), to making
unnecesarry enemies of the Soviet Union (Stalin was a bad
guy, but there was no need for the military/nuclear posturing,
and the global fight against every single damned communist
that comes along).

He set the pattern of interfering, attacking, over-throwing
any nation deemed not to America's liking, for the next
six decades.

Truman was an idiot who saw the world in simplistic
"anti-red) terms, and who was too much under the spell
of that other sinister bastard, Winston Churchill.


But that's just me.

Last edited by King Burger on Mar 12th, 2005 at 11:27 PM

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