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Psychoanalysis for the Untrained

(And perhaps for the trained as well.)

At one time in one's life, hasn't one ever wanted to get into another's head, to see what makes him or her tick? To see why a person acts the way he or she does? That's the goal of psychoanalysis--to understand the unresolved conflicts and unconscious drives that cause behavior.

Recently, I was confronted with an analysis of why males play female characters in MMORPGs. It had to do with submission, dominance, power, etc., and was fairly well written. There was only one problem, though:

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I have often wondered how these psychologists dredge from the depths the insight about paintings, books, and other works. How can they tell that the painter was using X to symbolize Y? Well...they really can't.
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The knight dismounted his horse and removed his helmet, revealing a man with a heavily scarred visage. He had closely-cropped black hair like his father's, contrasting with the flowing golden locks of the girl who cowered before him. She lay in the mud and looked up at him. Her eyes spoke of the terror she felt inside. The man's black armor gleamed in the sun, the torturous, barbaric spikes that adorned it reflecting pinpoints into her eyes. As the woman raised her arm feebly to shield her eyes, the knight shot out his hand and clutched her throat. He lifted the woman up until her feet dangled above the ground and forced her to see the fury upon his face. Gasping for air, she tugged and pushed on his vambraces to no avail. After a long moment he hurled her to the ground in disgust and drew his sword. She did not have time to look up before the knight thrust the point between her shoulders and out through her sternum, pinning her to the ground. The woman made neither noise nor an attempt to save herself. Withdrawing the blade, the man spit on the back of her head, the head of blond hair. The hair the color of his brother's.

Hoo-boy, a psychoanalyst would have a field day with this one. Let me see if I can 'pinpoint' the main areas upon which he or she would focus.

1. Conflict between the knight and his brother. Obvious, and probably from some past wound. Need more information to create a further analysis.

2. Black knight is representative of death. He wears black armor, kills innocents (presumably more than just the woman), and has spikes on his armor.

3. The knight has issues with power. He picks the girl up and throws her down to the ground, putting her into a position of submission (and she was in one before he dismounted). By lifting her, he shows that he has the power to make her stronger and destroy if he so desires; throwing her on the ground shows that she has no hope and is nothing in comparison to him.

4. The scars on his face show that he was once powerless, reinforcing his need for control.

5. The brother has blond hair. The father and his son, the knight, have brown hair. This probably means that the mother has blond hair. The sword, being a phallic symbol, represents an Oedipal complex. By pinning the woman to the ground, the knight once again reveals his desire for power and submissiveness, but it is also symbolic of a fantasy in which he has sex with--or perhaps he rapes--his mother.

Now, if I had changed the girl to having brown hair (and perhaps made her a male), the Oedipal complex would still stand, but this time the knight would want to murder his father so he could marry his mother.

And yet...

That's all BS. Complete and utter BS. All of it made off the top of my head; there was no prior knowledge of the characters or the plot. There was only that excerpt and I had 'insight' into the inner workings of the character's mind.

Just remember--cigars.


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Damnit, I am underappreciated. I'm going to...get something to eat.


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....and that is why I give very little weight to the psychoanalytic approach yes

However, don't base the rest of psychology on this stick out tongue


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Well, what would you like us to say about this?


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Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Well, what would you like us to say about this?

Huh. *Scratches his head.* Didn't think about that.


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Well...take it as a warning, I suppose, for people who think they can "analyze" information to get the deep, underlying secrets from it. Like the songs on Bush's iPod smile.


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Hmm Fece.....I guess you have some problems with your brother or a close friend....can we somehow help you....and this well how should I say ...sexual tension you seem to have built up....I think you should see a doctor aboot your problems there seems to be something really wrong...but there are people that can help you smile


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The people who live in the house with the bars on the windows and the padding on the walls?


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No no no.....*someone please help me, the subject is armed and agressive*....no...I mean ah ....I mean no yopu don't need to see such a doctor...oh oh god what you are doing...where did you get this sword from...oh god almighty please someone help me ....PLEASEEEEE


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Originally posted by Bardock42
No no no.....*someone please help me, the subject is armed and agressive*....no...I mean ah ....I mean no yopu don't need to see such a doctor...oh oh god what you are doing...where did you get this sword from...oh god almighty please someone help me ....PLEASEEEEE


Here, let me help.

Fece, I appreciate your warning, but I don't think anyone has posted in this thread because you brought a situation to the table and then presented both sides of the argument yourself. Both sides of an argument that no one will touch because I think everyone agrees that there are valid insights in the process of pyscology...but not all human beings can be easily categorized.


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Yeah, I know, but I was rather disgruntled after reading the thread on the e'er beloved World of Bitchcraft forums.


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Re: Psychoanalysis for the Untrained

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Originally posted by FeceMan
All of it made off the top of my head

Penn did something like that on Penn & Teller Bullshit.
Allll throoouuugh the tooowwwn... of Moscow. It was about interpreting prophecies.


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