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Prove you arent crazy

I have always wondered about this:

http://adamash.blogspot.com/2005/08...etected-in.html

Tuesday, August 02, 2005
Sane people cannot be detected in an insane asylum

In this interesting experiment, perfectly sane people were released into insane asylums. How long would it take the authorities to find out that the "pseudopatients" were sane? Read on:

Immediately upon admission to the psychiatric ward, the pseudopatient ceased simulating any symptoms of abnormality. In some cases, there was a brief period of mild nervousness and anxiety, since none of the pseudopatients really believed that they would be admitted so easily. Indeed, their shared fear was that they would be immediately exposed as frauds and greatly embarrassed. Moreover, many of them had never visited a psychiatric ward; even those who had, nevertheless had some genuine fears about what might happen to them. Their nervousness, then, was quite appropriate to the novelty of the hospital setting, and it abated rapidly.

Apart from that short-lived nervousness, the pseudopatient behaved on the ward as he “normally” behaved. The pseudopatient spoke to patients and staff as he might ordinarily. Because there is uncommonly little to do on a psychiatric ward, he attempted to engage others in conversation. When asked by staff how he was feeling, he indicated that he was fine, that he no longer experienced symptoms. He responded to instructions from attendants, to calls for medication (which was not swallowed), and to dining-hall instructions. Beyond such activities as were available to him on the admissions ward, he spent his time writing down his observations about the ward, its patients, and the staff. Initially these notes were written “secretly,” but as it soon became clear that no one much cared, they were subsequently written on standard tablets of paper in such public places as the dayroom. No secret was made of these activities.

The pseudopatient, very much as a true psychiatric patient, entered a hospital with no foreknowledge of when he would be discharged. Each was told that he would have to get out by his own devices, essentially by convincing the staff that he was sane. The psychological stresses associated with hospitalization were considerable, and all but one of the pseudopatients desired to be discharged almost immediately after being admitted. They were, therefore, motivated not only to behave sanely, but to be paragons of cooperation. That their behavior was in no way disruptive is confirmed by nursing reports, which have been obtained on most of the patients. These reports uniformly indicate that the patients were “friendly,” “cooperative,” and “exhibited no abnormal indications.”

THE NORMAL ARE NOT DETECTABLY SANE

Despite their public “show” of sanity, the pseudopatients were never detected. Admitted, except in one case, with a diagnosis of schizophrenia,[4] each was discharged with a diagnosis of schizophrenia “in remission.” The label “in remission” should in no way be dismissed as a formality, for at no time during any hospitalization had any question been raised about any pseudopatient’s simulation. Nor are there any indications in the hospital records that the pseudopatient’s status was suspect. Rather, the evidence is strong that, once labeled schizophrenic, the pseudopatient was stuck with that label. If the pseudopatient was to be discharged, he must naturally be “in remission”; but he was not sane, nor, in the institution’s view, had he ever been sane.

The uniform failure to recognize sanity cannot be attributed to the quality of the hospitals, for, although there were considerable variations among them, several are considered excellent. Nor can it be alleged that there was simply not enough time to observe the pseudopatients. Length of hospitalization ranged from 7 to 52 days, with an average of 19 days. The pseudopatients were not, in fact, carefully observed, but this failure speaks more to traditions within psychiatric hospitals than to lack of opportunity.

Finally, it cannot be said that the failure to recognize the pseudopatients' sanity was due to the fact that they were not behaving sanely. While there was clearly some tension present in all of them, their daily visitors could detect no serious behavioral consequences—nor, indeed, could other patients. It was quite common for the patients to “detect” the pseudopatient’s sanity. During the first three hospitalizations, when accurate counts were kept, 35 of a total of 118 patients on the admissions ward voiced their suspicions, some vigorously. “You’re not crazy. You’re a journalist, or a professor (referring to the continual note-taking). You’re checking up on the hospital.” While most of the patients were reassured by the pseudopatient’s insistence that he had been sick before he came in but was fine now, some continued to believe that the pseudopatient was sane throughout his hospitalization. The fact that the patients often recognized normality when staff did not raises important questions.

so how do you prove your 'sanity'? confused

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Proof Psychology is tosh laughing as if we needed it after the last thread laughing


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i am crazy

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Proof Psychology is tosh laughing as if we needed it after the last thread laughing


aww damnit!! shot myself in the foot with my own thread!! mad

(i believe in pyshology .. seeing as how i am insane myself )

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That'S just so bad...how any sane people are on Mental Asylums.....it's horrible....


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That'S just so bad...how any sane people are on Mental Asylums.....it's horrible....

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I'd like to visit just for fun.............bet you'd get some great conversations in there.

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i had to do a rotation in a psych ward for nursing school.. sheesh there are some NUTJOBS out there messed


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I knew someone who did that too......could be quite scarey, but still, who's to say who's crazy or who's not.....maybe different levels of crazy....I think I've spoken to some of them... blink

I still think it would be interesting to visit......maybe tooooo many movies for me.

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i had to do a rotation in a psych ward for nursing school.. sheesh there are some NUTJOBS out there messed


and on here, now I have to get back to talking to Napoleon Bonaparte embarrasment


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I talk to immobile objects..

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I talk to immobile objects..


i got you beat. i scream at my walls in german


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watch the movie "manic". its about a psych ward


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I do that too......embarrasment


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I ask trees how their doing???????...really...

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Only mean peckers........But honestly.....I am a sensitive person.....

I think crazy people could make a boring day more exciting.....wish I knew some.....OH...but wait.....KMC....who knows what's lurking.

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Re: Prove you arent crazy

Nurses and Profs who studied Psychiatry, need 'loons' to keep their jobs. The more there are, the more reasons staff have to ask for Pay rise and benefits.

I dont believe that all Mental Hospital patients are cuckoo ; some criminals have themselves be dubbed as crazy as to avoid jail. After an operation some normal people, who for some reason dont feel they are back to normal, get dubbed crazy by their own families and get locked away. Even women suffering from post-natal depression were misinterpreted as loons.

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so how do you prove your 'sanity'? confused

stick out tongue


I guess that would involve proving to the staff that one has improved.

[I.E.]On the first day, thrash the place to bits and then gradually become normal over an extended period of time confused


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The game is not to prove that one is sane, it is to prove that one is less insane than those around him.


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Re: Re: Prove you arent crazy

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Nurses and Profs who studied Psychiatry, need 'loons' to keep their jobs. The more there are, the more reasons staff have to ask for Pay rise and benefits.


umm gotta disagree with ya there babe.. like i said i DID work in a mental hospital and if you really do doubt that there are that many crazy folks in the world.. i suggest you go hang out in one all day every day for 3 months.. i think you would change your opinion very fast..

fact is.. as a NURSE.. i really would have much rather had less and more preferably NO patients at all & been more than happy to be out of a job due to noone being sick smile


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