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Pedophillia

I was thinking about this the other day. Do you think that pedophilles should be able to be arrested just because of their sexual orientation even if they have not commited any crime. I think that as long as they dont commit any crime, then they should be left alone, even though you might not agree with what they think.

I read in the news a few weeks ago that a male teacher had confessed to having pedophillic fantasies. But the school refused to fire him, as he hadnt committed a crime, and they didnt want to be thought of as being the 'thought police'.

Are any thoughts illegal?
Should they be illegal?
Should they be monitered?


What are your thoughts on this topic?

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Hell no.....if he didn't do anything you can't just arrest someone for their thoughts.....and you shouldn't.-...that would lead to a police state where no one can say what they think and even worse they can't think what others dislike........just...no....

As for the Male Teacher....admitting it openly already is kind of a deed.....if he had kept it to himself would be better....but I don't think you can fire him for that.


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Originally posted by eleveninches
I was thinking about this the other day. Do you think that pedophilles should be able to be arrested just because of their sexual orientation even if they have not commited any crime. I think that as long as they dont commit any crime, then they should be left alone, even though you might not agree with what they think.

I read in the news a few weeks ago that a male teacher had confessed to having pedophillic fantasies. But the school refused to fire him, as he hadnt committed a crime, and they didnt want to be thought of as being the 'thought police'.

Are any thoughts illegal?
Should they be illegal?
Should they be monitered?


What are your thoughts on this topic?


you're kiddding right? what happened to innocent till proven guilty? i should think this would go doubly so for a crime that hasnt even been committed


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you're kiddding right? what happened to innocent till proven guilty? i should think this would go doubly so for a crime that hasnt even been committed


^And she's a Mommy....listen to her folks....


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i think they should recieve help.
some refer to the prison system as reabilitating, but we all know thats bullshit.
i think state-funded psychiatric help should be given to all diagnosed. however, it would be unconstitutional to make it manditory.

"im not paying for some pervert to go to a shrink!"

if it could prevent children from being molested, i'd be willing to pay my share.
it would probably be like .01 cents to every dollar spent on our war.

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Originally posted by eleveninches
I was thinking about this the other day. Do you think that pedophilles should be able to be arrested just because of their sexual orientation even if they have not commited any crime. I think that as long as they dont commit any crime, then they should be left alone, even though you might not agree with what they think.

I read in the news a few weeks ago that a male teacher had confessed to having pedophillic fantasies. But the school refused to fire him, as he hadnt committed a crime, and they didnt want to be thought of as being the 'thought police'.

Are any thoughts illegal?
Should they be illegal?
Should they be monitered?


What are your thoughts on this topic?


While I was at EMU, i did a bit of work on sex offenders, most of them were peadophiles.

There is a website, the lecturer at EMU is researching - its not open to everyone, but its a forum fr recovering sex offenders. He has gotten te premition to observe the posts, but he does not post.

He has collected the data and I have read some of the responses by these people - who are preadophiles.

For those people, they feel guilt, when they think about little boys in the way they do. They feel ashamed, and they feel like they don't deserve to be loved by anyone.
They also seek help and support one another, and I think this is great.

So,

I do not believe they should be arrested based on what they think - its only acting on those thoughts that is condemned.
And I agree with giving them help, as some pheadophiles search for it, but have NO way of getting it.

Take this int account -

if a man goes to a psychiatrist or psychologist and says hes been having weird feeligns for little boys, the psychologisy or psychiatrist has to make a MANDATORY report to the police about it - then they get arrested and go to jail, or get put on the sex offenders list, and they havent even done anything.

Its hard to udnerstand and/or grasp, but those peole need help, many of them want help, but they cannot get any without being persecuted.


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Originally posted by lil bitchiness
While I was at EMU, i did a bit of work on sex offenders, most of them were peadophiles.

There is a website, the lecturer at EMU is researching - its not open to everyone, but its a forum fr recovering sex offenders. He has gotten te premition to observe the posts, but he does not post.

He has collected the data and I have read some of the responses by these people - who are preadophiles.

For those people, they feel guilt, when they think about little boys in the way they do. They feel ashamed, and they feel like they don't deserve to be loved by anyone.
They also seek help and support one another, and I think this is great.

So,

I do not believe they should be arrested based on what they think - its only acting on those thoughts that is condemned.
And I agree with giving them help, as some pheadophiles search for it, but have NO way of getting it.

Take this int account -

if a man goes to a psychiatrist or psychologist and says hes been having weird feeligns for little boys, the psychologisy or psychiatrist has to make a MANDATORY report to the police about it - then they get arrested and go to jail, or get put on the sex offenders list, and they havent even done anything.

Its hard to udnerstand and/or grasp, but those peole need help, many of them want help, but they cannot get any without being persecuted.


Not wanting to dispute your post

but its:

paedophile

in the UK and US if its a Psychiatrist he is bound by "patient" confidentiality


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it seems she was being hypothetical, as per the topic.
i hope

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I find it interesting that this thread was started by a 21 one year old KMC member who has repeatedly mentioned how he wants to have sex with Dakota Fanning (an eleven year old child) and puts his Location as "In Dakota underneath her picture in his avatar.

To answer the question, should he be arrested...no, should a teacher who confesses to be a pedophille be fired, yes, that is an inappropriate place for him to work. When it comes to protecting the rights and safety of 100's of children or the rights of one man, he loses.


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I find it interesting that this thread was started by a 21 one year old KMC member who has repeatedly mentioned how he wants to have sex with Dakota Fanning (an eleven year old child) and puts his Location as "In Dakota underneath her picture in his avatar.

To answer the question, should he be arrested...no, should a teacher who confesses to be a pedophille be fired, yes, that is an inappropriate place for him to work. When it comes to protecting the rights and safety of 100's of children or the rights of one man, he loses.



Who the hell is Dakota Fanning?

and I disagree over the teacher, he should get a warning for an innapropriate remark if it was serious. Paedophillia is in the mind of these individuals but if it stays in the mind, no harm is done. I would not want to hear about their thoughts, but thoughts if not articulated hurt and upset no one.


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How are they a pedophile if they never commited a crime? What? Do they have a fetish for invisioning really young individuals in the bedroom? What him/her and their partner do is none of my buisness, as long as a real child is not being victimized, I don't care. Hell, even our god was a pedophile. (Batman..)

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How are they a pedophile if they never commited a crime? What? Do they have a fetish for invisioning really young individuals in the bedroom? What him/her and their partner do is none of my buisness, as long as a real child is not being victimized, I don't care. Hell, even our god was a pedophile. (Batman..)


The phrase means child lover not child molester.


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Who the hell is Dakota Fanning?


She is the eleven year old actress that appears in his avatar.

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and I disagree over the teacher, he should get a warning for an innapropriate remark if it was serious. Paedophillia is in the mind of these individuals but if it stays in the mind, no harm is done. I would not want to hear about their thoughts, but thoughts if not articulated hurt and upset no one.


Would you feel different if your child or sibling was in an admitted paedophile's company and influence 5 days a week for a year?


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Originally posted by KharmaDog
She is the eleven year old actress that appears in his avatar.



Would you feel different if your child or sibling was in an admitted paedophile's company and influence 5 days a week for a year?


Weird thing to have in an avatar the "in dakota" is obviously a flame as is this thread.

If he was an admitted paedophile who had acted on his feelings - yes. If he had said something but never acted on them - no!


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No, you can't arrest someone for their thoughts. I think it would be best to try and help them so they can at least attempt to live a normal life.

However, the second they actually touch a kid in any sexual way, lights out, throw them in prison for good, once they take that first step towards actually touching children, then they are most likely beyond help and need to be just locked away until they are factually no longer a threat to any child.


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I still wouldn't put my child in the position of spending time with a confessed paedophile.


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I still wouldn't put my child in the position of spending time with a confessed paedophile.


Why?..:.hat probably much safer than anything else......


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I think the teacher should be made to see a professional, that's all... y'know, to make sure it doesn't develop into something worse


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disturbing, yes, but nothing warranting an arrest...or maybe he needs to start seeing someone?


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Not wanting to dispute your post

but its:

paedophile

in the UK and US if its a Psychiatrist he is bound by "patient" confidentiality


This is not the case in the US for this "crime?" only. If you go to a Psychiatrist and say you have such fantasies, they have to report it. There was one guy who wrote a story about it and was arrested. sad


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