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In the wake of recent Natural Disasters..who will "Police" the "Police?"

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New Orleans Cops beat man senseless...

NEW ORLEANS - Three New Orleans police officers are facing battery charges after investigators reviewed a videotape showing two patrolmen repeatedly punching a 64-year-old man accused of public intoxication and a third officer grabbing and shoving an Associated Press Television News producer who helped capture the confrontation on tape.

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After being questioned and arrested, the three officers were suspended without pay Sunday, police spokesman Marlon Defillo said. The police promised a criminal investigation.

"It's a troubling tape, no doubt about it," Defillo said.

The confrontations come as the department — long plagued by allegations of brutality and corruption — struggles with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and the resignation last month of Police Superintendent Eddie Compass.

The APTN tape shows an officer hitting the suspect, Robert Davis, at least four times in the head Saturday night outside a French Quarter bar. Davis appeared to resist, twisting and flailing as he was dragged to the ground by four officers.

Another of the officers then kneed Davis and punched him twice. Davis was face-down on the sidewalk with blood streaming down his arm and into the gutter.

Then a fifth officer ordered APTN producer Rich Matthews and the cameraman to stop recording. When Matthews held up his credentials, the officer grabbed the producer, leaned him backward over a car, jabbed him in the stomach and unleashed a profanity-laced tirade.

"I've been here for six weeks trying to keep ... alive. ... Go home!" shouted the officer, who identified himself as S.M. Smith.

In addition to Smith, the other officers charged were identified as Lance Schilling and Robert Evangelist. Smith is an eight-year veteran of the force, while Evangelist and Schilling have served three years each.

"The incidents taped by our cameraman are extremely troubling," said Mike Silverman, AP's managing editor. "We are heartened that the police department is taking them seriously and promising a thorough investigation."

Police said Davis, of New Orleans, was booked on public intoxication, resisting arrest, battery on a police officer and public intimidation. He was treated at a hospital and released into police custody.

A mug shot of Davis, provided by a jailer, showed him with his right eye swollen shut, an apparent abrasion on the left side of his neck and a cut on his right temple.

Davis, who is black, was subdued at the intersection of Conti and Bourbon streets. Three of the officers appeared to be white, and the other is light skinned. The officer who hit Matthews is white. Defillo said race was not an issue.

Two of the officers in the video appeared to be federal officers. Numerous agencies have sent police to help with patrols in the aftermath of Katrina, and Defillo said it would be up to their commanders to decide if they would face charges.

Under normal circumstances, it takes unusually offensive behavior to trigger an arrest on Bourbon Street. But New Orleans police have been working under stressful conditions since the hurricane. About 300 officers apparently either died, abandoned their posts or disappeared for some other reason.

Those who stayed slept in their cars and worked 24-hour shifts after the storm. Three-quarters lost their homes and their families are scattered across the country.

"Our police officers are working under some very trying times," Defillo said. "So it's a difficult time, but it doesn't excuse what our jobs are supposed to be."

Conditions have improved — officers now have beds on a cruise ship — but they don't have private rooms and are still working five, 12-hour days.

Compass, the police superintendent, resigned Sept. 27. Despite more than 10 years of reform efforts dating to before he took office, police were dogged by allegations of brutality and corruption.


On Friday, state authorities said they were investigating allegations that New Orleans police broke into a dealership and made off with nearly 200 cars — including 41 new Cadillacs — as the storm closed in.




Officers beating people, deserting their posts, and now "looting" allegations!!

This type of behavior didn't develop in these Officers overnight. It was brought on by the gradual corruption of many police forces over the years.

The lowering of standards for one to become a Police Officer is part of the problem. Many officers who are on forces now are actually "criminals" themselves.

Still..these officers are just small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. The real problems are with the corrupt politicians/systems/ and authority figures that assist in enlisting them.

So with all these degenerates floating about in authoritative posistions, Who do we..the common people have to support us when catastrophic events occur? And who will police the police when they happen?


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Bump.


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Well corruption is everywhere...and all the way to the top..

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This only proves the lack of morality in our society today. In no time else in history were people as malevolent as now. Maybe AS malevolent, but not in such strong numbers..

The simple truth is, leave'em there. SpellJammer would've never given a penny to help these katerina victims in the first place. Screw them, they knew the risks involved in staying, now let them handle the chaos and the depravity. SpellJammer is sure they're radioactive messes anyway, they may as well live in that primitive hell-hole for the rest of thier very short lives.. And use it as an example of anarchy in this day of age. Because people today are too stupid to wield anarchy properly..


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In the wake of recent Natural Disasters..who will "Police" the "Police?"
media?

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media?


Well that would work, if they are allowed to film....It was sad though with that big concert in Africa that the money sent was taken from the people and strengthened the government, so I have read...

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The majority of cops are good. The bad ones get the most media attention.


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My Uncle was a Sargent...and OHHHHHhhh what a great collection of guns he had......He kept the ones he thought were cool... big grin

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My dad's cousin is a Major. He seems really uptight, but other than that he's alright.


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He seems really uptight, but other than that he's alright.
laughing out loud laughing out loud make up your mind laughing

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I mean, I don't mind talking to the guy for a few minutes but I wouldn't want to head down to the pub with him!


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Bump. Come on..you all can give more responses than that...


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OK...Here's the deal....People only want to become cops because they can get away with driving really really fast and not get a ticket...

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Don't bump threads with no new content just for the heck of it. If there are no responses that is the way of it.

There are plenty of mechanisms that regulate the police. If you say they are failing just because some police are still bad, that's like saying all police are failures because there are still criminals. It's silly logic.


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Don't bump threads with no new content just for the heck of it. If there are no responses that is the way of it.


Look everybody..we have a new junior moderator...roll eyes (sarcastic)

Actually I bumped it because there was another thread that was opened after my own, regarding the same topic.

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There are plenty of mechanisms that regulate the police.


Explain.

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If you say they are failing just because some police are still bad, that's like saying all police are failures because there are still criminals. It's silly logic.


Incidents like the one described in the article happen all to often in the United States. Many Officers adhere to an unwritten "Code" which enables any criminal acts commited by them to go unpunished. It's "silly" to trivialize an obvious problem..particularly when one doesn't even give an adequate explanation/description of what "mechanisms" are in place to remedy said problem.


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Hey, maybe if no one posts in this thread we can set some new record for the thread with the most posts in a row with the word "bump" in it.


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Don't give me that 'junior moderator' crap. I am perfectly at liberty to point out misuse such as pointless bumping and seeing as I am one of the oldest mods here- the oldest active mod other thn Raz, in fact- I think you will find I actually have some pull in these matters.

There are always organisations in western police forces whose job it is to 'Police the Police' and they work upon an independant basis of prmotion by results only- internal affairs workers who find nothing get nothing, hence they always work their ass off to find something. If anything they are too ready to make false cases to get promotion- but they still have to pass reasonable standards of evidence.

I don't see why I should have to have posted that, though, seeing as it is perfectly open informaton that such things exist; I may as well have blasted you for not defining your part of the problem- you make very broad statements with no backing evidence other than a single incident which could easily be an aberration, and even if it wasn't is not indicative of a failure of police-police.

The problem is not being trivialised- but you could easily exaggerate it.

There ARE some places where control of the police is inadequate but huge efforts are always made to combat this. Not all will succeed, but again, the lack of total success does not represent some kind of systematic failure like you imply.

In fact, in all Western countires, police forces are generally considered to be cleaner now than they ever have been.


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Ahhhhh the age old question . 'Who watches the watchmen'


Apparently, it's Ush who watches the watchmen.


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