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Question Is Iran right to develop nuclear energy?And is that enough reason to go to war!!

There is no reason for Iran to have anything nuclear, its a country that wishes to 'wipe Israel off the map' and most probably others. if we let this happen, it is mearly appeasement and will lead to another war. Our nuclear weapons are a deterrant but does that mean we should go to war?


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The more bombs there are the faster WWIII comes.


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Re: Is Iran right to develop nuclear energy?And is that enough reason to go to war!!

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There is no reason for Iran to have anything nuclear, its a country that wishes to 'wipe Israel off the map' and most probably others. if we let this happen, it is mearly appeasement and will lead to another war. Our nuclear weapons are a deterrant but does that mean we should go to war?



3 words..

"World War three"

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3 words..

"World War three"

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indeed we DON'T want World War Three.

So shouldn't we invade Iran before they fully develop them?


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should you kill a random person on the street with the reasoning that they may have been about to kill you?

if yes where does that stop? do you have to kill everyone on that street? everyone you ever meet? everyone on the planet?


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should you kill a random person on the street with the reasoning that they may have been about to kill you?

if yes where does that stop? do you have to kill everyone on that street? everyone you ever meet? everyone on the planet?


I don't think that is an adequate example of determent considering the Iranian leader called for Israel to be 'wiped off the map.'
Even if the U.N. puts sanctions on Iran ten bucks says that it won't do a bloody thing.

Oh well...this is the world we live in. big grin


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Oh well...this is the world we live in. big grin


not for long by the sound of it .... stick out tongue


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should you kill a random person on the street with the reasoning that they may have been about to kill you?

if yes where does that stop? do you have to kill everyone on that street? everyone you ever meet? everyone on the planet?



Would you give a gun to murderer.

Would you let a Pedophile work with children.


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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.-----Sir Winston Churchill

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First of all, WW3 is already happening, but it is unlike any war we have ever fought, one very much occurring "below the radar." Our enemy is a medieval, obsolete mindset which is determined to destroy all that which does not conform to its limited, infantile, ranting, foaming-at-the-mouth view of the world.

The real fear regarding Iraq (not the manufactured one by Bush & co) is that, as a terrorist state, it had the finances and hardware to develop a nuclear weapon, but not the delivery system. Terrorists provide the delivery system. Iraq, however, has been taken out of the picture...but Iran has not.

They Will build a bomb, and they Will use terrorists as their delivery system. I say "will" because this is a scenario we Can Not afford to think otherwise on. Comparisons to individuals (as in an above post) or discussing this in abstraction does not do justice to the potential physical, psychological and financial damage a nuke detonated in a city will cause.

My guess is, within the first quarter of this century, someone Will get nuked. It is almost inevitable. It may not be NYC, it may not even be the US, but some country Is gonna get hit (could well be Israel).

The state of affairs our world is in sucks big time. It is horrific having to send brave young men and women to fight a war and die, especially as a preventitive, pre-emptive measure. But if we don't...the far, far worse is yet to come.


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Re: Is Iran right to develop nuclear energy?And is that enough reason to go to war!!

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There is no reason for Iran to have anything nuclear, its a country that wishes to 'wipe Israel off the map' and most probably others. if we let this happen, it is mearly appeasement and will lead to another war. Our nuclear weapons are a deterrant but does that mean we should go to war?



Yeah know I am sure the USA has agendas and those nuclear weapons we have help to serve them nicely.

That said nuclear weapons are horrible so do you believe the USA has the right to tell another country what it can and cannot do? At the end of the day thats whats really being asked in my opinion.

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should you kill a random person on the street with the reasoning that they may have been about to kill you?

if yes where does that stop? do you have to kill everyone on that street? everyone you ever meet? everyone on the planet?



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To wager a guess, I don't think a nuclear holocaust is on anyone's agenda.

Iran want to use their weapons on their enemies closer to home. Not go to war with the largest nuclear armed superpower in the world and its allies.

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Re: Re: Re: Is Iran right to develop nuclear energy?And is that enough reason to go to wa

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indeed we DON'T want World War Three.

So shouldn't we invade Iran before they fully develop them?
A full world wide war again? I think that's a bit exagurated..

But America attacking another country in the middle east would certainly only unite them more and would devide America from the rest of the world because (for instance) ignoring millions of protestors worldwide isn't exactly something wich the general opinion of the rest of the world would sympathise with.
I think it's better to let the middle east grow themselves and retreat all exploitations there. I personally think that nobody is actually planning on using weapons of mass destruction..
Only to protect themselves against other countries of course.. Still look at what caused the first world war.. If something does indeed happens then every countries paranoia would cause a major outbreak.


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so why is america aloud nukes?


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Take a guess.. The exact same reason why other countries are allowed.


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well seeing as usa is the only country to have actually used them, don't you think its more of a risk, Instead of going to war on the premiss that someone else "might"? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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I always maintained the belief that as the current world is, we're ironically safer if everyone has nukes. Every major power anyway.

If just one country had them, they could nuke and there'd be no fear of reprisals. Nobody is going to nuke now purely because then it'd result in getting nuked back, doing serious damage to the planets and each other in the process. Of course, the danger then is that some nutjob will get one and end up nuking someone. Which is looking possible.

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so why is america aloud nukes?


Cause they won the race to construct them in WWII ?


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well seeing as usa is the only country to have actually used them, don't you think its more of a risk, Instead of going to war on the premiss that someone else "might"? roll eyes (sarcastic)
Yeah, well.. I was thinking more about size and might of the country.
Like Russia, nobody could ever (or even dare to) force America to hand out their weapons..

Iran however could be easily taken over if the war was planned like the one of Afghanistan. Sure it's hypocrite of America (government of course) if they were to go to war because of that sole idea but I could see Bush get away with it.


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well seeing as usa is the only country to have actually used them, don't you think its more of a risk, Instead of going to war on the premiss that someone else "might"? roll eyes (sarcastic)


roll eyes (sarcastic)


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