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Michael Moore: Correct, or a liar?

Is Michael Moore correct in the things he says, or is he a jerk that enjoys lying for the sake of the democratic party, or is he something else altogether? Discuss.


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Both, he's made sound points, but for every sound point he's made he's twisted the truth.

No matter though, anyone who goes to Micheal Moore for unbiased information is fishing in the wrong lake. He's a filmmaker, first and formost, if more people would keep that in mind the better everyone would be.


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^ yes

He's an "entertainer" who's also a hardcore leftie--that's it. And he stretches the truth worse and more often then a fisherman.


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indeed he does, but i suppose there are some people who look into what he's talking about to find out whether he was lying or not and are educated about what hes talking about inadvertently


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It's as simple as this - yes, he has an axe to grind, and he makes no secret of that. However, if you consider the powerful people he has implicated, or flat-out accused of incompetence, and you consider the fact that nobody has ever tried to sue him for libel, or if they have, they weren't successful - it can only mean one thing: He was telling the truth.

It might be a subjective truth, and you might not agree with his conclusions, but it doesn't change the point that his facts are correct.


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I'm not sure if he's lying when he says his opinions blink, but I sure wouldn't want to take this guy on in a Survivor-Style "Living in the Sewers for 60 Days" type of contest.


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Re: Michael Moore: Correct, or a liar?

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Is Michael Moore correct in the things he says, or is he a jerk that enjoys lying for the sake of the democratic party, or is he something else altogether? Discuss.



Moore is an independant he says.

The facts he presents are narrated and cuts and pastes so that there is a representation of the truth HE wants you to believe.



He's the poster child for Super Size Me. wink

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BF> Ah, yes. Exactly. Subjective documentaries.

Dreampanther> Hmm, interesting point, that.

But if Mr. Moores lies, why does his opponents first and foremost attack the MAN not his arguments (as is done here)? Attacking the man neither proves you right nor Moore wrong. At most it sounds childish and as if his opponents don't really HAVE any counter-arguments.

I once saw a documentary on Fox News. Now THAT is twisting the truth in a way so most Europeans sat with their mouths open, not knowing whether to laugh or cry.
I remember thinking, that Mr. Moore may be stretching the truth, but if Fox News is what Americans see, then I guess the ultra-conservative Americans ask for truth-stretching...


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Why does his opponents first and foremost attack the MAN not his arguments (as is done here)? Attacking the man neither proves you right nor Moore wrong. At most it sounds childish and as if his opponents don't really HAVE any counter-arguments.

Why does Moore Love, Inc. first and foremost attack the OPPONENTS not their arguments (as is done here)? Attacking his opponents neither proves you right nor the opponents wrong. At most it sounds childish and as if Moore Love, Inc. don't really HAVE any counter-arguments.


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The facts he presents are narrated and cuts and pastes so that there is a representation of the truth HE wants you to believe.



indeed...the perfect example being in bowling for columbine...he made it look like you could walk into a bank...open an account...and get handed a gun

when the reality of that scenario was that he had several background checks of mental health and criminal records conducted...not to mention the fact the weapons were not actually kept at the bank but held elsewhere...

moore would have you believe he walked in and said "i want to open an account" they said "certainly...here...have a free shotgun"

and thats the way he cuts his films...i always find it astonishing when he gets nominated in "best documentary" catagories...


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oh great, another michael moore thread. hey, guess what? the fat man just makes movies and meanwhile we have that panzer skank ann coulter whoring herself on fox news, bill oreilly with his own segment on foxnews, and that fascist prick chris chris matthews on msnbc. yet everyone bitches about moore. im sorry, what news station is he invited to preach his propaganda? of thats right, NONE.

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oh great, another michael moore thread. hey, guess what? the fat man just makes movies and meanwhile we have that panzer skank ann coulter whoring herself on fox news, bill oreilly with his own segment on foxnews, and that fascist prick chris chris matthews on msnbc. yet everyone bitches about moore. im sorry, what news station is he invited to preach his propaganda? of thats right, NONE.


good point well made...although we also have plenty of threads about them...usually made by you

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good point well made...although we also have plenty of threads about them...usually made by you

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Nah... not enough Coulter bashing in this forum.


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oh great, another michael moore thread. hey, guess what? the fat man just makes movies and meanwhile we have that panzer skank ann coulter whoring herself on fox news, bill oreilly with his own segment on foxnews, and that fascist prick chris chris matthews on msnbc. yet everyone bitches about moore. im sorry, what news station is he invited to preach his propaganda? of thats right, NONE.



Are you saying that in the past he has never been invited to do a one on one with anyone...................aside from HBO?

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Are you saying that in the past he has never been invited to do a one on one with anyone...................aside from HBO?


since i am not his agent, i will not make an absolute statement. however anyone who has seen him in an opinion segment or have his own segment? please say so

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since i am not his agent, i will not make an absolute statement. however anyone who has seen him in an opinion segment or have his own segment? please say so


You hate bush and also Moore?--Odd. The 2 things usually go hand-in-hand.


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since i am not his agent, i will not make an absolute statement. however anyone who has seen him in an opinion segment or have his own segment? please say so



I have only seen him on Bill Maher which was awhile back and Nader came out and then Bill had to tell Moore to politely STFU since he was doing his theatrics.

So he has been on Bill Maher HBO.

Thats all I know of atm owever I am sure O'Reilly would invite, now that would be entertainment.

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