as our final show of no mercy for the terrorists who attacked the u.s.,
bill frist, senate majority leader, proposes allowing the taliban representation in the afghan government.
ok all you neocon nutswinging apologists. lets hear you explain why this is a good idea. lets hear how its a good idea to torture iraqi insurgents while kissing the asses of the terrorists who attacked us on 911. please explain why this is a good idea.
congratulations on blindly supporting those who will eventually surrender, cut and run, not punish those responisble for the attacks on 9/11, let the terrorists win, and ultimately reward them.
Yea, this totally represents all Conservatives right here.....I'm sorry but Conservatives don't "blindly" support their Leaders, anycraps, do you actually think Bush will let this happen? It won't, we will win there, maybe not immediately, but we will
Hmm.. correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the Senates approval is in the toilet with Conservative voters. Hence all this "the democrats are going to take back congress" junk.
Actual conservatives really don't know where to turn. There really aren't any National figures representing real conservative values. The senate sure isn't. *cough*borders*cough* And the president is worse than many of the Dems when it comes to all the welfare crap.
A real conservative would take so much of the vote that it would make it look like Reagan barely won in '80. Alas, there is no such political creature right now.
so you're not happy at at going to war with the taliban as it is...you're not happy with trying to give the taliban representation to try and see if they'll stop fighting (which everyone knows they wouldn't do anyway) and i'm guessing you wouldn't favour wiping them out by obliterating the entire country...and given that if we withdrew the troops then the taliban would seize power again and use afghanistan as a base for al-qaeda again...and we know what they would do then dont we?
so...solutions on a postcard to Mr GW Bush...c/o barney the dinosaur...numptyville USA,USA,USA,USA...
Wow. With all the sources available in this age of the internet and 'instant' news, I wouldn't have thought it was possible that anyone could be so completely out-of-touch with the country they live in. That really is amazing.
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__________________ Full fathom five thy father lies;
Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
however there are a couple of wingnuts at kmc who i presume will not
be so quick to polish the collective knob of the neocon agenda, and try to
rationalise this new turn in politics. i suspect a couple who seem to genuinly
give a shit about who attacked and how they are being appeased, however misguided they are, will be very pissed off when they read this. the rest are just cult followers who need a messiah to worship.
the best way forward would be to allow them back in power? forgive me for saying, but wasnt such sensibility and tolerance for an intolerant and dangerous ideal what got us into this whole mess to begin with? seems like a giant step backward. remember, this is an ideal which promotes the destruction of all that is not fundamintal islamist...a group which has attacked and killed innocents, as well as being directly responsible for the attacks on 9-11. how can it be blindly assumed that peace will ensue? and does this not completely discredit the revamped reason for us occupying iraq?
I'm afraid history shows that it IS the best way to deal with such a thing. Bring in the democratic process and use that to defeat the fundamental arms, which do much better when excluded from Democracy.
This is how peace has been achieved in Northern Ireland. And it is how it will have to work in Iraq, too.
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- Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell.
I used this quote in a different thread recently, but poor ol' Ush didn't get it then. Let's see if he can apply it correctly now...
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Of his bones are coral made;
Those are pearls that were his eyes:
Nothing of him that doth fade
But doth suffer a sea-change
Into something rich and strange.
Gosh, I almost care about your erroneous interpretation of literature... but no, it's too irrelevant to really register on my radar.
Fact remains, this would be the best way on. You cannot eliminate something ike this militarily unless you want to go to PROPER war, by which I mean World War II scale war, not tinkering around like we do (very rightly) these days. And the enormous destruction and destablisation that would be caused by such a war would far outweight any possible benefits.
Nope, it has to be done like this.
Though they are right, it is Karzai's call.
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their version of 'democracy' is not the same as ours. for historical reference, see the iraqi elections which expressed 100% support for saddam hussein. the taliban rule by fear and so long as they are allowed to exist and intimidate, they will gain power once again. through a coup or through 'democratic' means, they have the advantage of fear.
iraq will be ruled by a fundamentalist and militant islamic regime. that will be the end. we will have two states which present a direct threat to our security, and in the end all we managed to do was destroy our own ideal of freedom. i guess it wont be clear until we are attacked again. and we will be, make no mistake.
Of course it isn't the same as ours! Afghanistan has been everyone's playtoy for centuries. They don't know anything other than violent rule.
Democracy there is going to be crap for ages. But it will eb better than it was before, and it will get better as time goes by.
And I very much doubt Iraq will become ruled by true fundamentalists. That is not actually very common in the Middle East; the main enemy of most fundamentalists is the Government of the country they are in. The Taliban was a notable exception; that's Afghanistan for you.
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you suggest that democracy will remain a constant, however being pathetic and weak. i suggest that once they are allowed to exist (taliban) democracy will no longer exist. history will be repeated and we will be attacked again. that is what history tells us of the taliban.
A Democracy can be protected. The only way for the Taliban to remove Democracy is if they attack it, and I don't see why that is more likely if they are invited to join in the democratic process.
It's not as if this is handing them back all they want. The Taliban were not a populist movement; they seized power by military means. They don't WANT to be in a Democracy because they know they'll never get the power they had when they ruled by force. They are extremists and they are totalitarian. This is absolutely not what they want.
But it would be a fair and helpful offer. It hardly helps their position with the people if they turn it down, and if they accept, it begins a long and painfully difficult transition that nonetheless will eventually bear fruit.
Any Democracies that arise in the Middle-East may well be anti-US. But so what? What are you going to do, force them to like you at gunpoint? But that's a long way from them being the kind of places that breed terrorism. The US has Governments that are hostile to it all over the World, but only a select few rule in a way that encourages their populace to attack the US the way they have.
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