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New Draft?

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Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft

By JOHN HEILPRIN
The Associated Press
Sunday, November 19, 2006; 4:11 PM



WASHINGTON -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars and to bolster U.S. troop levels insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.

In 2003, he proposed a measure covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42; it went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the Nov. 7 election.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," said Rangel, who also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."

Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.

The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System trains, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 _ now about 16 million _ from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.

Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.



The new head of the Ways and Means Committee, Rangel, wants to reinstitute a draft. Thoughts on the likelihood? The need?


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Pelosi has already stated that he won't be getting support from even his own party. It isn't going through.


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Yea, this is just one guy basically on his own; this chance of it going through is just about zero. As far as his reasoning that it will make the people who ultimately decide to wage wars think harder before they proceed because they in turn will be at risk or their own children will be at risk in making the ultimate sacrifice is severely flawed. 'Those people' always have loopholes for themselves and their offspring to avoid being drafted.


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It won't happen.


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lol "war mongering republicans"..yet we have the democrats pushing mandatory military service and a draft.

Like I said..the democrats are gonna **** America.


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Yeah thats a great idea and make sure the upper limit stops at 30 because after that folks just aren't fit for military service I say!

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Originally posted by KidRock
lol "war mongering republicans"..yet we have the democrats pushing mandatory military service and a draft.

Like I said..the democrats are gonna **** America.


Did you miss the fact that it's ONE Democrat and the U.S.D.P. isn't behind it?


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Isn't the draft just a form of slavery?

You’re forced to go do something you don't want to do and you might die doing it.....Also the fact that most people don’t agree with war and this war especially it is kinda like forcing a vegetarian to eat meat.


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I would support a draft bill.

any member of any nation it chooses to live in should be obligated to serve that nation's military if needed. Here in the United States we take too many freedoms for granted. Our freedoms are only assured by our military strength. Anybody who lives in this country but would not readily join it's military during it's hour of need to protect it's rights, freedoms, civilians and their very own families should be forced to relocate to another nation of their choosing.

I don't agree with our current government. I don't even agree with our political system........but I would grab an M-16 and jump in a helicopter in a second to protect this piece of land and way of life I call home to ensure my way of life and my family's way of life.


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I must admit I am at the point where I wonder whether more troops in Iraq (since that seems to be a major motivational point) would really do all that much at this point.

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"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said."

Where did that come from? I wasn't aware anybody was doing any challanging in that area at the moment.


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I would support a draft bill.

any member of any nation it chooses to live in should be obligated to serve that nation's military if needed. Here in the United States we take too many freedoms for granted. Our freedoms are only assured by our military strength. Anybody who lives in this country but would not readily join it's military during it's hour of need to protect it's rights, freedoms, civilians and their very own families should be forced to relocate to another nation of their choosing.

I don't agree with our current government. I don't even agree with our political system........but I would grab an M-16 and jump in a helicopter in a second to protect this piece of land and way of life I call home to ensure my way of life and my family's way of life.

Freedom's like... not having to spend years in government service?


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Re: New Draft?

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The new head of the Ways and Means Committee, Rangel, wants to reinstitute a draft. Thoughts on the likelihood? The need?

suddenly i am not so sensitive about being 36. no draft for me!!!


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The draft would only be acceptable if it were in the case of a very serious threat to this country, like WWII, or something.

A draft for something needless as the current Iraq war should never ever happen.


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Freedom's like... not having to spend years in government service?


Freedom does not mean free in this country. Freedom is tradeoff.

- you are free to vote in this country, so long as our military is strong enough to defend our country.

- you are free to practice whatever religion you want, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country.

- you are free to raise your family as you see fit, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country.

- you are free to never have to serve in the military unless you wish to, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country. When it's not, draft.


my opinion of people in the U.S. couldn't get much lower. We have brave men and women who will enlist in the military to fight injustice in a foreign land. They will give thier lives to help foreigners, fight for a principle. Then we have these idiots who want everything to be given to them. why earn anything in life? they think they should be born rich. they think everything should be handed to them, including the freedoms to live life as they see fit. These idiots wouldn't defend our country if there were a Soviet tank (ala Red Dawn) rolling down their street headed for their families house. They think it's somebody elses job to defend this country and freedoms for them. people like that should die. I have nothing but disdain for people of that ilk.


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laughing out loud This rep. is a master of reverse psychology. That is the most inane deterrent to the draft that I have ever heard.


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Originally posted by Evil Dead
Freedom does not mean free in this country. Freedom is tradeoff.

- you are free to vote in this country, so long as our military is strong enough to defend our country.

- you are free to practice whatever religion you want, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country.

- you are free to raise your family as you see fit, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country.

- you are free to never have to serve in the military unless you wish to, so long as our military is strong enough to defend this country. When it's not, draft.


my opinion of people in the U.S. couldn't get much lower. We have brave men and women who will enlist in the military to fight injustice in a foreign land. They will give thier lives to help foreigners, fight for a principle. Then we have these idiots who want everything to be given to them. why earn anything in life? they think they should be born rich. they think everything should be handed to them, including the freedoms to live life as they see fit. These idiots wouldn't defend our country if there were a Soviet tank (ala Red Dawn) rolling down their street headed for their families house. They think it's somebody elses job to defend this country and freedoms for them. people like that should die. I have nothing but disdain for people of that ilk.


You're funny...

The US is never going to be to weak to defend itself, because of nuclear weapons and all so it should never have a draft again. Ever.


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nuclear weapons.........and I'm funny???WTF??

a nation goes to war with you......so instead of fighting the enemy in military combat, you completely destroy the nation? you kill all of it's innocent civilians?

that's the exact opposite purpose of any military.......to defend innocent civilians, domestic and foreign. War is fought between governments......not between guys with nuclear weapons and innocent families of 4 sitting at home in their kitchen eating dinner.


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That's the point. Open war between major powers is pretty much dead. MAD has made sure of it.


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true. nukes will never be used by anybody.........unless in a world war with several nations baring responsibility over the use against a smaller coalition of nations. M.A.D. mutual assured destruction. the only way around it is attrition........the side baring responsibility being comprised of many more nations so the victims could not retaliate against all before destruction.


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I'm against a reinstitution of the draft, I agree with Chuck Rangel's reasons for it though.

And if it does happen, I have student deferment and I can claim contientious objector status


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