I was reading some comments by Nicolas Sarkozy, who announced that he was against Turkey coming into EU, so I wondered -
Do you believe that Turkey should become EU member?
If yes, why? If not, why not?
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Complicated issue on the one hand it would be good for the economy as their economy is the third fastest growing economy in the world, next to China and India.
They have a large and powerful army have a secular state so no real problems there.
The rights of Christians in the country however aren't really that good (or any other religious group) there are a lot of cultural differences, and people in western Europe just have a bad view about the Turks, because a lot of them that can't even fit in there move here. Of course that doesn't really make people want it and it would make them 'dislike' the Union even more.
Not to mention that with the recent unrest in Turkey it might not be a smart thing for the western governments to weaken the Turkish army's in it's power to protect the secular state.
I'm really not entirely sure on this issue yet. If we would look at Turkey compared to other member states then yes they should have been in already.
If we judge them like we should judge every state, then they still have some work to do. (recognize Cyprus, recognize Armenian genocide, more freedoms for other religions then the Muslim one). But Europe (especially Cyprus) would have to do a few things themselves as well, as we need Turkey about as much as they can use us.
I have a selfish reason for wanting them to join the EU. As my family own a property developing business which concentrates on Turkey. Turkey could really use the extra help to the economy and the tourism boost though.
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I think the Armenian and Cypriot issues, as well as right of minority religious groups need sorting out.
I think withdrawal of Turks from northen Cyprus should be one of the absolute musts in order to get into EU.
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Don't agree with that. The Turks have every right to be there, I do however think that they should acknowledge Cyprus, and that Cyprus should in return stop blockading Turkish Cyprus ports. The turks intervened in a massacre there, and if the people would feel like they want to join with Cyprus again then Turkey should allow it. If the people there don't then they shouldn't.
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back to the topic the French guy i work with has just told me that the majority of his freinds and relatives have always been opposed to Turkey joining the EU more than any other country as i quote "they are not a European country,they have a different culture and way of life" or something
they do nice kebabs though
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You do realize that most immigrant Turks aren't the kind of people that Turkey would want to keep in their country. They are usually mountain folk, from poorer parts of Turkey. Coming here hoping for a better live, most Turks in Turkey already have a good life, their economy is the third fastest growing in the world.
But your opinion is one of the main reasons I am opposed to Turkey joining the Union, I like the Union and want it to continue existing, allowing Turkey in now would definitely hurt the Union's reputation with the people even more then it has already been hurt.
at the moment i'd say no...Turkey is on the verge of being taken over by more radical islamic political ideals and there is alot of dissent about it. until they get their house in order they should be kept out of the EU
Well it would never happen that fast, they couldn't possibly get in today or tomorrow, and with the strong movements against a religious president I think it will be unlikely that one is going to be elected. Besides the army would just remove him from power anyways.
Which is a good reason to not let Turkey into the Union yet, the EU would never agree with a democratic government being overthrown by the military even if it would support their own side (at least not publicly).
Turkish military needs to pull out and has ZERO right to be there. Turks are occupying Cyprus calling it Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, also recognised by Pakistan, so they have no right to be there.
People as people are fine, but we are not talking about that.
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May 14th, 2007 03:23 PM
They all look the same to me.
