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German terror plot thwarted

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Germany: Terror Plot Targeted U.S. Base

By DAVID McHUGH
Associated Press Writer


BERLIN (AP) -

Three suspected Islamic militants were arrested for allegedly plotting "imminent" and "massive" attacks on the Ramstein Air Base, a major U.S. and NATO military hub, and Frankfurt's busy international airport, German authorities said Wednesday.

German federal prosecutor Monika Harms said the three - two of whom were German converts to Islam - had trained at terror camps in Pakistan and procured some 1,500 pounds of hydrogen peroxide for making explosives. And a top legislator said the group could have struck "in a few days," noting a "sensitive period" that includes the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Officials said the hydrogen peroxide, stored in a hideout, could have been mixed with other additives to produce a bomb with the explosive power of 1,200 pounds of TNT.

"This would have enabled them to make bombs with more explosive power than the ones used in the London and Madrid (transit) bombings," Joerg Ziercke, the head of Germany's Federal Crime Office, said at a joint press conference with Harms.

The three suspects - two Germans, aged 22 and 28, and a 29-year-old Turk - first came to the attention of authorities because they had been observing a U.S. military facility at the end of 2006, officials said. All three had undergone training at camps in Pakistan run by the Islamic Jihad Union, and had formed a German cell of the group.

The Islamic Jihad Union was described as a Sunni Muslim group based in Central Asia that was an offshoot of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, an extremist group with origins in that country.

"There was an imminent threat," German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung told ARD broadcaster.

The three had no steady work and were drawing unemployment benefits while their main occupation was the plot, officials said. "This group distinguishes itself through its profound hatred of U.S. citizens," Ziercke said.

Ziercke said members of Germany's elite GSG-9 anti-terrorist unit arrested two of the suspects at a holiday home in central Germany on Tuesday. A third managed to escape through a bathroom window, but was apprehended about 300 yards later by federal police who had roped off the area.

The three suspects were brought before judges in a closed proceeding at Germany's Federal Court of Justice in Karlsruhe after being flown in by helicopter, court officials said.

Prosecutors in Karlsruhe said the arrests took place Tuesday afternoon, and that police had also carried out searches across the country. The German reports came a day after Denmark authorities said they had thwarted a bomb plot when authorities rounded up eight alleged Islamic militants believed to have links to al-Qaida.

Wolfgang Bosbach, a top legislator for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats, said that "the suspects had been under observation by security officials for a long time"

"Consequently, we know without any doubt that they were planning attacks that would have had considerable consequences," he told N24 television, adding that the three had acquired chemicals for the plot.

Bosbach said an attack could have occurred "in a few days" and pointed out the Sept. 11 anniversary, as well as parliamentary deliberations in the next few weeks over whether to extend troop mandates in Afghanistan.

"We are in a highly sensitive period," he said.

Ramstein is one of the best-known U.S. Air Force bases worldwide because it serves as a major conduit for U.S. troops moving in and out of Europe, Asia and the Middle East. It is a key transit point for injured troops from Iraq and Afghanistan who are flown there to be taken to nearby Landstuhl.

Besides U.S. personnel, British, French, and other international forces are also located there.

Frankfurt International Airport is Europe's third-busiest airport, handling hundreds of in- and outbound flights to and from the Americas, Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe. In July, a record 5.2 million passengers arrived or departed from the airport. In 2005, more than 52.2 million passengers came through the airport, which is also a major cargo hub.

German and U.S. officials have warned of the possibility of a terrorist attack, and security measures have been increased. Navy Capt. Jeff Gradeck, spokesman for the U.S. military's European Command in Stuttgart, said German authorities had contacted them concerning the alleged plot, but had no further information.

"We extend our gratitude to Germany for their efforts in protecting us," Gradeck said.

Germany, which did not send troops to Iraq, has largely been spared terrorist attacks such as the train and subway bombings in Madrid and London - although its involvement in the attempt to stabilize Afghanistan against Islamic insurgents has led to fears it might be targeted.

In July 2006, two bombs were placed on commuter trains but did not explode. Officials said that attempt was partly motivated by anger over cartoons portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper. Several suspects are on trial in Lebanon, and a Lebanese man has been charged in Germany.

The Tuesday arrests in Denmark sent jitters through a country that was the focus of Muslim anger and deadly protests over the cartoons. Jakob Scharf, head of the PET intelligence service, said that the eight suspects arrested were "militant Islamists with connections to leading al-Qaida persons."

Separately in Denmark, four Muslim men went on trial Wednesday in an unrelated case on charges of making bombs for a planned terror attack, a year after they were arrested. The defendants, who cannot be named under a court order, are accused of purchasing chemicals and equipment to produce explosives. All pleaded innocent.

The European Union's top justice official said Wednesday that the threat of a terror attack remained high in the 27-nation bloc. EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini said the EU executive would push ahead with plans to set up an EU-wide airline passenger data recording system despite privacy concerns.

"The threat of new terror attacks continues to be high," Frattini said, citing Spain, Italy, Belgium, Britain and Germany as countries where the risk has been the highest.

The German chancellor said in an interview released Wednesday that German troops would remain in Afghanistan for several more years, despite recent setbacks in the region.

"To walk away would send the wrong signal," Merkel told N-24 television.

Magnus Norell, at the Swedish Defense Research Agency, said while Germany's mission in Afghanistan could be a motive for a terrorist attack, a flood of other factors could also play a role.

"It could be discontent with Germany, or even western Europe as a whole. It's really not that easy as to say that this (Afghanistan) would be the reason for it."


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These guys plus a group in Denmark in the past week. Possibly something major planned for the aniversary of 9-11? I don't believe in coincidences with these people...


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well done

cant wait for dubya to take the credit.


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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/s.../090504611.html

These guys plus a group in Denmark in the past week. Possibly something major planned for the aniversary of 9-11? I don't believe in coincidences with these people...


Well people dying is only a by product of terrorism, not the main aim.

The main aim is to, as the name says, terrorize people, make them scared.
In that retrospect, terrorists are winning 100%. Everyone is scared, and the levels of security is critical, maximum security in the airports its getting stupid...

Personally, I believe terrorism is the new means of warfare (as opposed to going in a field for a battle - who survives wins).


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Well people dying is only a by product of terrorism, not the main aim.

The main aim is to, as the name says, terrorize people, make them scared.
In that retrospect, terrorists are winning 100%. Everyone is scared, and the levels of security is critical, maximum security in the airports its getting stupid...

Personally, I believe terrorism is the new means of warfare (as opposed to going in a field for a battle - who survives wins).


I'm fairly certain dead people is a major aim... what's more terror inducing, threats and foiled attempts of mass deaths or a mass dead bodies?


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I'm fairly certain dead people is a major aim... what's more terror inducing, threats and foiled attempts of mass deaths or a mass dead bodies?


Fear is more terror inducing. In order to induce fear, blowing things up is the way.

Terrorism is a tool of achieving a higher goals - political, social, economic...etc.


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i think she means that killing people is the means, not the end.


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See, that's why Germany is better. The US government actually stages an attack and kills its own people to get their unanimous support. We just say it could have happened...efficient.


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Fear is more terror inducing. In order to induce fear, blowing things up is the way.

Terrorism is a tool of achieving a higher goals - political, social, economic...etc.


I agree, I just think dead bodies is an aim to achieve those goals, not a byproduct.


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See, that's why Germany is better. The US government actually stages an attack and kills its own people to get their unanimous support. We just say it could have happened...efficient.


you forgot the part where they smear poop all over themselves.


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i think she means that killing people is the means, not the end.


In that case I agree... I read it as "they don't want to kill people, it just happens during the attacks". i.e. "byproduct", as she stated.


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I agree that terrorism is a tool

But I think the goals of radical Islamists is a little more than "lets make them scared". For instance, Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda #2, calls for the reclamation of Spain and other lands.

Ya, they have made us scared, and that is certainly a victory for them, but thats not where it ends for them imho. In some ways I would say this is more "asymmetrical warfare" rather than just "terrorism" (the former being war waged by a far inferior power against a greater, the latter being "lets make them scared").

But ya, maximum security airports and police with submachine guns on street corners in NY is something that I am sure doesn't make them sad...


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you forgot the part where they smear poop all over themselves.


Everyone's got to have a hobby. Your people's is failing world geography tests I hear.


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I agree that terrorism is a tool

But I think the goals of radical Islamists is a little more than "lets make them scared". For instance, Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda #2, calls for the reclamation of Spain and other lands.



Its funny how muslims talking about reclaming land....I dunno lets ask some Arab Pagans....oh yeah there arent any.


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Now why would Terrorist attack Germany? They didn't invade Iraq....not only are these terrorist stupid...but also clueless. They confuse Germans with Americans....how stoopid.


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Its funny how muslims talking about reclaming land....I dunno lets ask some Arab Pagans....oh yeah there arent any.


laughing laughing

It is kinda funny. When I saw the video where he called for Spain to be reclaimed I lol'd for REALS

But ya, like most religions, their God gave them the right to that land, so **** them pagans, they should be so lucky as to be allowed to live with God's people


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Its funny how muslims talking about reclaming land....I dunno lets ask some Arab Pagans....oh yeah there arent any.


They exist, they're just to scared to admit it. I'm sure there's some Iraqi who really couldn't give a shit about religion, he'd rather watch t.v. and drink a beer instead of praying when the bell rings.


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They exist, they're just to scared to admit it. I'm sure there's some Iraqi who really couldn't give a shit about religion, he'd rather watch t.v. and drink a beer instead of praying when the bell rings.


Well yeah but im really just talking about how alot of muslim countries were previously not muslim until they were conquered. I think there are some countries that converted due to trade but as far as I know Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Iraq were conquered.


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They got me scared all right. It's not just the fanatic inhabitants of certain countries anymore, the craze has been picked up all over the globe by all sorts of lunatics that may not even have a reason to support the jihad.
I'm actually surprised that this wave of terrorism hasn't claimed more mass destruction in 'the west' after the London attack.
Even with everything on full alert, it's also at times just luck that prevents terrorist attacks. Sooner or later it is going to happen again.


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Now why would Terrorist attack Germany? They didn't invade Iraq....not only are these terrorist stupid...but also clueless. They confuse Germans with Americans....how stoopid.


That is a large hub for American forces...that is why they tried to attack it...



P.S. He forgot the "M" in his name because he is a minimalist. (You know who I'm talking about, guys.)

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