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If I would meet that guy I would break every bone in his body with a baseball bat, then I'd use a rusty nail to torture him for a few hours, finally poking out his eyes and eardrums. Then I would pour acid on his genitals and hang him by them until they rip off...after that I would impale his ass on a huge and very pointy stake where I would let him starve for 10 days in the hot sun and finally put him in a little pool and get people to urinate and shit on him until he drowns.
"make an artistic statement about the fragility and the misery in which all dogs – indeed, all human beings live"
What a talentless moron, he should have his ass kicked just for that.
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Yeah, I seen the youtube videos of people protesting this kind of stuff.
This isn't art...I don't give two shits what philosophical mumble jumble tries to defend this garbage.
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"In any case, except from being a murderer, what is Vargas' artistic contribution to this exhibit? What did he do, what talent did he put on display?"
I'm a fan of some transgressive art. If people are, look up Robert Mapplethorpe, Andres Serrano, Pepe Smit...
I only say this because of the quote from the article I selected.
Ok, I'll go out on a limb and say that there is some meaning to be taken from suffering and death. If art is about evoking a response in a viewer, I can think of little else more troubling than watching an innocent animal suffer until death. So, maybe he does have an argument about it being 'art' (what a dumb question anyways).
But, and I'll compare it to Serrano, this is the easiest and least thought out way to do it. Even if we accept that there is some artistic merit to the work, it is so overly uncreative and uninspiring that it should hardly be looked at as quality art. Serrano has a series called "the morgue" where he takes pictures of bodies in a morgue. Some burnt, some violently attacked, etc. It is POWERFUL stuff. Each shot shows painstaking preparation and intention on the part of the artist. In many ways, although the experience of watching something die is probably unique, I feel it addresses many of the points this artist was trying to make. And in this case, not only is it morally and humanely less atrocious, it actually makes for good art.
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Then again, he could just be another talentless artist who has to go to extremes to be noticed and then has the nerve to say "look, be awed by my talents, recognize my artistic genius!" When in reality, all he did was tie a dying dog to a lease.
Edit: I couldn't find it, but years ago an American man was found guilty and charged because he tied his dog to a stake and let it starve to death in his backyard, he claimed it was to "teach the dog a lesson". If this guy had said "it's art depicting the suffering of children in Africa.", would it then be okay?
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Last edited by Robtard on Apr 18th, 2008 at 03:43 PM
Makes me wonder whats next. Get some Sudanese and Somalis and tie them in art galleries?
Its fair enough that artists need to break boundaries to make an impact but they should do so with respect towards other living things, most espeially creatures.
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there may be some artistic merit in watching another creature die
I don't think any human gets to take credit for that however...
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Forget about morals, the dude tied a dying dog to a leash and put it on display, yea, artistic.
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not to drag this into a philosophy of art debate, but my personal opinion is that anything, created by man or not, can be "art", so long as it evokes an emotionally significant and recognized response in the viewer. This can be as simple as aesthetics or as deep as strong emotional reactions. Further, this means that stuff like nature and the sky, in my opinion, can be looked at as art, given I feel art is defined by the viewer rather than the creator (blah, philosophy of art is lame).
In this light, death of any kind can be taken as artistic, as a situation in which you experience a strong and meaningful emotional reaction. I wouldn't equivocate, there is a huge difference between a Picasso and a star filled sky, and I would never presume as a spectator to what Picasso was trying to say with his work, I just feel that there is an openness to the term "art" that allows it to be defined as natural and accidental phenomena, and not just that which receives human intention.
So, the death of an animal has some artistic merit, to me, the same as anything in nature does, so long as it evokes the emotional response. That a person would CAUSE that, yes, I obviously think is immoral, though I hardly think morality is a measure of the artistic quality or merit of a work. Not to cite Serrano for the 3rd time today, but look up his "history of sex" gallery. Some rather "immoral" stuff there, depending on your moral stance, or his work on Klansmen, or the previously mentioned morgue series.
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Anyways, for some other proof of offensive/transgressive/"immoral" art, these are by a chick named Pepe Smit. Um, ya, don't look if disturbing stuff bothers you.
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I understand your wide interpretation of the word art, but I was using the narrow interpretation that requires a person to manipulate objects or materials to create a new idea that is not exclusive to the objects or materials in question.
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