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AngryManatee
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Are we aliens?

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We may all be aliens, it seems.

Some of the building blocks of life on Earth came from space, according to a new study of molecules in meteorite fragments.

The study confirmed that some of the raw material for DNA and RNA found in a meteorite did not contaminate the rock after it landed on Earth, but actually originated in space.

The materials in question are the molecules uracil and xanthine, which are precursors to the compounds that make up DNA and RNA, and are known as nucleobases.

"We believe early life may have adopted nucleobases from meteoritic fragments for use in genetic coding which enabled them to pass on their successful features to subsequent generations," said the study's lead author, Zita Martins, a researcher in the Department of Earth Science and Engineering at Imperial College London.

Martins and her colleagues detailed their findings in the June 15 issue of the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters.

The team discovered the molecules in rock fragments of the Murchison meteorite, which crashed in Australia in 1969. The scientists analyzed the genetic building blocks and found that they contain a heavy form of carbon which could only have been formed in space. Materials formed on Earth are made of a lighter type of carbon.

The two molecules in this study are only a few of the organic molecules that have been detected in the famous Murchison meteorite, said David Deamer, a chemist at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

"There are about 70 different amino acids in the Murchison meteorite," Deamer told SPACE.com. "About six or so are the same kinds of amino acids associated with life on Earth."

Uracil is one of the four base molecules of RNA, so is vital for life.

Just because the molecules found on this meteorite and others came from space, doesn't mean the same compounds weren't also independently synthesized on Earth, Deamer pointed out. Scientists are unsure how many of the building blocks of life on Earth originated on this planet, and how many came from beyond.

"We don't know the answer yet," he said. "Most people would say that both contributed to the organic compounds available on Earth, but we don't know with certainty how much of one compared to the other."

Many space rocks similar to the Murchison meteorite rained down on Earth between 3.8 and 4.5 billion years ago, when primitive life was forming. The heavy bombardment would have dropped large amounts of meteorite material to the surface on planets such as Earth and Mars.

Martins and her colleagues say their discovery may help shed light on how life first evolved in our solar system.

"Because meteorites represent leftover materials from the formation of the solar system, the key components for life — including nucleobases — could be widespread in the cosmos," said co-author Mark Sephton, a professor of Earth science and engineering at Imperial College London. "As more and more of life's raw materials are discovered in objects from space, the possibility of life springing forth wherever the right chemistry is present becomes more likely."


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So it's not just illegal immigrants.


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Panspermia and exogenisis are nothing new.


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Actually, that's really cool. I'm ET!

But have they looked at the possibility that life was simulated from earth?


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Re: Are we aliens?

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So it's not just illegal immigrants.

No, we're not all aliens. These science articles constantly overstate the findings of the research, making it appear as OMGTHENEXTBIGTHING. In reality, it's the same-old stuff that's already existed.

Seriously, look up all the theories on the origin of life. Then compare them to this article, which makes it seem as though the theory is correct. (Even with the little disclaimer, the opening lines give it quite a strong slant.)


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No, we're not all aliens. These science articles constantly overstate the findings of the research, making it appear as OMGTHENEXTBIGTHING. In reality, it's the same-old stuff that's already existed.

Seriously, look up all the theories on the origin of life. Then compare them to this article, which makes it seem as though the theory is correct. (Even with the little disclaimer, the opening lines give it quite a strong slant.)


So the scientologists were right?


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So the scientologists were right?

...Yes. Tom Cruise not only knows the meaning of life, but he has the secret to life.


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I thought science and space were related?


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Are we aliens?

We're starstuff.


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It just depends on where you draw the line for "alien."

As Mindship implies, everything on earth, including the earth itself, is made from elements forged in the hearts of dying stars, the only places hot enough to produce any but the most basic elements. In that sense, everything is "alien."

Stray molecules on asteroid and meteors has also been known for decades, and is one among various other theories of how basic life originated on earth. It's not outlandish, but asterois crashing into earth to spark life billions of years ago hardly counts as alien in most usages of the word.

To me, it's just a mis-label in order to create a distinction. We live in a universe, which is a unified system. It created life through natural causes. To differentiate between "earth" and "anything but earth" is to create a needless distinction.


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Everything originated in space, because everything is in space.

We cannot determine what came from unless we have biological mater from outer space.


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According to Indiana Jones and his crystal skull, yes.


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their treasure was knowledge

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Xenu's behind this!


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Xenu's behind this!

You're so dumb that it hurts.


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You're so dumb that it hurts.


Coming from the guy who doesn't know what sarcasm is.


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You're so dumb that it hurts.


I say dear chap, no need for that blatant unprovoked attack eh smokin'


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Coming from the guy who doesn't know what sarcasm is.

sar-casm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
3. Something you fail at.


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sar-casm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
3. Something you fail at.


Yes, because nothing says clever like fake definitions. Maybe you won't seem as insignificant to the rest of the world now. I doubt it, though.


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Yes, because nothing says clever like fake definitions. Maybe you won't seem as insignificant to the rest of the world now. I doubt it, though.

This coming from you brings a smile to my face. Go out, little one. The world is yours for the taking.


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This coming from you brings a smile to my face. Go out, little one. The world is yours for the taking.


Only took you an hour to respond. New record.


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