You'll find this is what is called 'functional' illiteracy rather then... errr, literal illiteracy.
Not that this is not a large problem, as the fact I have a job attests to, this being my exact area, but it's an important distinction- which is to say, for people classed as 'illiterate', you'll be surprised what they can actually read, compared to the implications caused by the expected definition of the word.
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Is this Illiterate as in not being able to read at all, ie recognize any text or letters whatsoever?
Or illiterate in the sense of making too many spelling mistakes, and having problems reading?
hm not a surprise, ime sure theres many areas across most of the world where illiteracy is common, and in an area as large as the USA its nothing of a surprise.
The literal meaning of the word is that you actually cannot read at all.
The way it is used- including this survey- is that you are not literate enough to function properly in the world- as in, there are certain basic tasks or activities you have a right to in life that these people find difficult due to their poor literacy skills.
Frankly I am surprised the given proportion is so low. The Moser Report in the UK gave our figure as 20%. So this will all be down to differences in what the required standard of literacy is meant to be.
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I was expecting single digit numbers for western industrial nations, especially given it is criminal to keep a child home from school (barring the obvious) (also, iirc)
Also just a note- looking at the methodology this US study used, they include adults who were unable to take the assessment at all due to a language barrier. Obviously that is an important perspective- it includes people that are not illiterate at all, they simply cannot understand English.
I had to analyse the hell out of Moser when I was training, so I am used to the way these studies work and how you have to be careful with interpreting the results.
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Yes, you will find information finding is a seperate skill from just being able to read words at all. I have plenty of learners who can read a book but cannot read a timetable or any reference work to save their lives.
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Ah, well, that's a really different thing then though. Or is that actually related? I mean is the ability to read standard books somehow related to the ability to find information? I mean, except for if you can't read at all you can't find the information, either.
"ranges from being unable to read and understand any written information to being able only to locate easily identifiable information in short, commonplace prose text in English, but nothing more advanced"
Now, as I say, I;d be careful there,.
For example, take a look at how they define people who are functionally innumerate. A lot of these people, if you asked them to take 20 away from 100, they will look at you blankly.
But if you asked how much change they got from a pound for something costing 80p, they'll asnwer 20p quite easily. The skill is there, the context is not.
For some the skill won't be there either, but that proportion would be MUCH lower than the proportion listed as being innumerate.
It's the same here- being functionally illiterate has a lot to do with context, motivation, confidence and application, more than just... being literally incapable of reading.
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Yes, it's related. It's basically down to being able to read a text non-sequentially, something most of us take for granted but that a surprising number of people never really think of to do.
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So, would someone that can read better something sequential be better at reading a timetable, or might that fluctuate. Like, related to your last post, if someone reads more timetables they might be really good at that but not be able to read a book well?