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White men win a "discrimination" case.
Some think this will set a precedent. Others think this type of thing will slowly fade out of America as fewer an fewer cases like those will ever be brought up.
1. Why is it discrimination to have a test in place that has more people fail from a specific racial demographic when all humans are capable of the same intellectual potential?
2. Why do handicaps need to be given, based on race? Isn't hard work enough? Why do we alter things to "even" the odds to help a specific race?
3. Are not the statistical correlations of race-based failures a function of education which owes it success partially the subculture of the race in America, and the education opportunities via the public school systems which has a race-geographic correlation. (Where you live can be partially correlated to the level of education received.)
Discuss these three points. My hope is to gain enlightenment from my fellow posters. Hopefully, I can increase in understanding of how race "plays" in America.
1. it isnt when the people failing in question are part of a highest socio economic strata. nurture plays a role in determining intellectual capacity vs intellectual potential
2. because the odds are made uneven by society in the first place by keeping certain races as a whole on a lower socioeconomic strata
3. function of education? yes. and educational oppurtunities and enviornments are already racially biased. and the subculture are an EFFECT of and not the cause of the socioeconomic bias of the country.
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Re: White men win a "discrimination" case.
Where did you develop that theory?
Besides even if everyone had exactly the same potential in exactly the same areas in exactly the same learning style it wouldn't mean they had the same opportunities and experiences. However, firefighters really should have gone through training so it doesn't apply here.
The inferior negroid races of Africa should be given opportunity so that they have the chance to become productive in modern civilization. People that are scared of the "metal lions" deserve assistance with their racial handicaps.
Yes.
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Re: Re: White men win a "discrimination" case.
I was under the assumption that all humans had the same intellectual potential, regardless of what actually happens in their nuturing.
Is this incorrect?
In other words, switch Scott Duncan Smith with Michael Tyrone Williams at birth, and William will end up "stupid" and Michael will end up just as intelligent and knowledgeable as Scott would have. Is that incorrect? Is there really different intellectual potentials across the races? I mean, sure there is actual differences, but are the potentials different?
Race is a handicap? I thought it was a benefit.
My bad.
I think that humans are more than intelligent enough to shake the bonds of racial "handicaps". In fact, I don't like even calling it a "handicap."
If you can't work hard, then you deserve what you've worked for. If you work hard and are discriminated against, then sue. It doesn't matter what your race is...this is my personal opinion. Now, in the course of this discussion, I may be mature in my understanding...which is the point of this thread.
Re: Re: Re: White men win a "discrimination" case.
Yes, it's incorrect. We do not all have same intellectual capacity and many factors within evolution have contributed to that.
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Re: Re: Re: White men win a "discrimination" case.
Current wisdom in measuring intelligence says that intelligence goes across many different factors.
I don't know who Scott Smith and Mike Williams are but if one of them is "wired" to have intelligence that makes him good at football and the other "wired" to be be good at mathematics they'll never reach the others level at that area. You can certainly teach both of them math and football but they're simply not going to be equals.
People with severe deficits/differences in learning ability (autism, downs, brain trauma) form the basis for the idea that everyone is in fact not equal. If these things exist at extreme levels it makes logical sense that more minor versions would also have effects.
I was kidding
You can work through many limitations you have but that doesn't mean you can necessarily reach the same level as someone who didn't or for whom it's simply easier.
Let's say that Alice and Bob (who can be of any race or mix of races) both set out to become mathematicians. If Alice is a genius and gets into college at 15 and Bob learns more slowly and doesn't get in until 20. Even if they have equal potential the gap will simply never be actual equals making that potential rather meaningless.
I might offer a fuller response later but breakfast awaits: It is not simply the color of a person's skin but the history that comes with the specific people that might determine why these things are in place.
I do believe that I would not have been able to go to college has certain measures for black Americans been put in place following the civil rights movement which helped my parents' generation do well (this is also a complex statement but just work with me for now).
In general, minorities are given hard times in different nations history which is why there is a bit a favor given to them because they are not as likely to have the same standard of living given the same conditions (statistically). Of course the point is to get to the point where this is no longer needed but we are still some decades away from that in the U.S. , not just with black Americans and white Americans but all people. It would be foolish to say that discrimination no longer exist, but that is the fault of everyone.
This country still lacks open, honest discussion so everyone gets offended. After those discussions can be had, tons of progress can be made and this sort of shit will no longer be needed. Speaking honestly, I do not believe it's coming in my lifetime.
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Jun 29th, 2009 09:51 PM
It doesn't matter what your race is...this is my personal opinion. Now, in the course of this discussion, I may be mature in my understanding...which is the point of this thread.
