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AsbestosFlaygon
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Muslim father kills his Two Daughters

This is a really old issue, but I felt like posting it nonetheless:

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Yaser Abdel Said, 50, was wanted on a warrant for capital murder after
police say he shot the girls Tuesday and left them to die in his taxi,
which was found parked in front a hotel in Las Colinas, a suburb north
of Dallas. Police said Mr. Said should be considered armed and
dangerous.





Being an ex-Muslim and all, I find this quite alarming.


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With the number of support organizations and groups in the US that are ready and willing to intervene and help youths being threatened by their extremist parents, it's really the girl's fault for not getting off their asses and reporting their father's behavior to the authorities prior to this incident.


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With the number of support organizations and groups in the US that are ready and willing to intervene and help youths being threatened by their extremist parents, it's really the girl's fault for not getting off their asses and reporting their father's behavior to the authorities prior to this incident.


Yeah, in fact I think it is every victim of violence's fault for not training their body Batman style preventing it.


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Yeah, in fact I think it is every victim of violence's fault for not training their body Batman style preventing it.


Plus lots of people have survived being shot. Why should we pity a person who chose to just stop living?


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I suspect this was an honour killing, no? Common in Muslim communities in Europe.


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I suspect this was an honour killing, no? Common in Muslim communities in Europe.


What's "common"?


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Honor killing are common in Europe?


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Yeah, in fact I think it is every victim of violence's fault for not training their body Batman style preventing it.


Sarcasm doesn't suit you border-boy. I didn't say that they should train themselves, I said only that there are so many options in the US to appeal to, and so many places you can go for help, that it was extremely silly of those two to take no action. I'll even add a scenario to make my point even more clear:

father1: AND I FORBID YOU TO EVER SEE HIM AGAIN OR I WILL KEEP BEATING YOU AND YOUR SISTER LIKE I DID YOUR MOTHER

sister1: pffft he wouldn't

sister2: definitely not, i'll just not inform any of the dozens of organizations that could protect me and put him away and ignore his threats that he has most likely backed up on several occassions.

sister1: totally.awesome.

BLAM BLAM

"oh my god, he like...shot me...oh my god.."


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Sarcasm doesn't suit you border-boy. I didn't say that they should train themselves, I said only that there are so many options in the US to appeal to, and so many places you can go for help, that it was extremely silly of those two to take no action. I'll even add a scenario to make my point even more clear:

father1: AND I FORBID YOU TO EVER SEE HIM AGAIN OR I WILL KEEP BEATING YOU AND YOUR SISTER LIKE I DID YOUR MOTHER

sister1: pffft he wouldn't

sister2: definitely not, i'll just not inform any of the dozens of organizations that could protect me and put him away and ignore his threats that he has most likely backed up on several occassions.

sister1: totally.awesome.

BLAM BLAM

"oh my god, he like...shot me...oh my god.."



I understand, and I can see how it is therefore their fault they got shot and killed.

Besides, this is the first time I heard about it and in the material we got in this thread it didn't discuss whether he had a violent past, whether he threatened the girls, whether the girls sought help, etc.

Not that it matters, the fault really lies with the dude doing the shooting either way.


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Honor killing are common in Europe?


Yes they are. There isn't like a massive number, but it is more common than it should be. Dozen of women in UK every single year face such horrible fate because of unsolved family things or traditions, or their Westernization which is seen as unfavourable or offensive or whatever.


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"oh my god, he like...shot me...oh my god.."



One Two, oh my god. Its like 1-2-3 OMG..


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Yeah happens in Australia quite abit.
Mostly in sydney actually.
A few years ago there was a dudes head found severed and split down the middle with a shovel.
Apparently some girls brother did it cause he was christian, they muslim.

It's really quite sad sad
I knew a muslim girl, became really good friends with their family, great people. I just think it's horrible that the ignorant masses out their will judge an entire faith/people on acts like this and terrorism etc.


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I think this has a lot to do with tradition, rather than religion.

And yeah, it's very sad young lives are cut short, and many times in the most horrible fashion.


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... but thats less people to take up earths resources. big grin

if you think about it that way it sounds like less of a tragedy. stick out tongue


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now that i think about it that is a horrible thing to say.


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now that i think about it that is a horrible thing to say.


You had to think about that?


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It's really quite sad sad
I knew a muslim girl, became really good friends with their family, great people. I just think it's horrible that the ignorant masses out their will judge an entire faith/people on acts like this and terrorism etc.
Well said.
I hope they find the guy.


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Honor killing are common in Europe?


Yes the4y are, Pakistani folk kill of their Daughters if they don´t marry their chosen husband, there´s even escape hostels for muslim women in the UK now because of this. Its even worse if its an old codger who dies soon after & gets cremated in Pakistan (or india) because his wife can get burnt with his corpse if she´s unlucky.

And in Germany and other EU countries which have a large Turkish population, often women are killed by their family for "honour " reasons.

Really tolerant peaceful religion then?


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... but thats less people to take up earths resources. big grin

if you think about it that way it sounds like less of a tragedy. stick out tongue


laughing out loud

The guy makes perfect sense though.


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Yes the4y are, Pakistani folk kill of their Daughters if they don´t marry their chosen husband, there´s even escape hostels for muslim women in the UK now because of this. Its even worse if its an old codger who dies soon after & gets cremated in Pakistan (or india) because his wife can get burnt with his corpse if she´s unlucky.

And in Germany and other EU countries which have a large Turkish population, often women are killed by their family for "honour " reasons.

Really tolerant peaceful religion then?


How many? Some stats would be nice.


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