I think it's too early to discuss this since there isn't any confirmed, concrete information available.
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Yeah, it's kind of retarded that everyone jumps on that when all evidence is rumors and hearsay. And what happened to the other two shooters?
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I'll watch it when I'm not goldbricking at work and I'm not going to jump to conclusions until there is an investigation. The chronology of the reporting smells fishy to me. At first there were three shooters. Then two were in custody and one was shot dead. Then the other shooters were down graded to co-conspirators. Then the third guy was upgraded to alive. Honestly, when this happened I didn't think "muslim terrorist". The first thing I thought when news started trickling in was that it was a terrorist attack carried out by those nazis the SPLC has been tracking.
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by definition this is not terrorism, but a "spree killing"
for instance, the goal seems more to kill soldiers rather than to reduce the moral of America to continue fighting or to burden the populace enough to get them to no longer fight.
sure, it might be motivated by Islam, which we have no evidence for, but all religious violence is not terrorism. The goal was death, not symbolic intimidation, as far as I can piece together.
Wikipedia has been given international media awards for their ability to follow such events, and they have a good amount of information saying that Hasan was acting out of retribution for harassment rather than out of religious motives, though, this all remains to be seen.
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It's very relevant he is a muslim. He was strongly opposed to the war in Iraq and US foreign policy in general. He also made numerous anti american posts on islamic websites. Ie recently tried to get out of the army because of "anti islmic" bias.
In the end, if he acted alone then it's a spree killing. If not, then it's a whole different ballgame.
Time will tell but expect more of this type of stuff, from muslims, over the coming years, just as there has been for decades now.
it is unconfirmed, but his aunt said he wanted to leave the military because he was being harassed for being a muslim.
The posts he is alleged to have made, for which there exists no proof he did make, are with regard to suicide bombing being acceptable within Islam, as it didn't meet the requirements for suicide which is unacceptable by Islam.
irrelevant. Unless it is found that his motives were a symbolic attack against America in order to demoralize their armed forces or intimidate their population, it is a spree killing.
and just to remind you, the most common profile for a terrorist in America is white, male, Christian.
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So political dissent and religion should be profiled? Why don't we profile right wing Christians and nazis?
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Well by his logic, Madoff and Abrahamoff should've been covered in the media as "Jewish Crooks" because of historical perceptions and stereotypes.
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Madoff was a jew? I'm actually surprised that angle wasn't more popular...
but no, thats exactly what it is. Terrorism = Muslim violence, and vice versa, regardless of the cause. These simple little heuristics that the state/media/culture drive into people's minds.
Hell, given what has been released to the media (obviously the real motive is yet to come out), courts handing out extreme prison sentences to act as a "message" to anyone else who might commit the same crime is more of a "terrorist" act.
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