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What form of government makes the country the most successful?

So what form of government do you think makes the country more successful (richer, more powerful, etc.)?


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Corrupt ones.


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Corrupt ones.
More corrupt ones.


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Dictatorship disguised as democracy.


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viva la anarchy!


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Dictatorship disguised as democracy.


yes yes yes yes

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^ What these two said.

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viva la anarchy!


By definition, no. Anarchy is also an pretty awful way to gain power.


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Depends on how you define "success". If all you care about is money and power, then that would be a form of government that happens to take place in a nation with lots of natural resources.


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Social Democracy with manufacturing run according to Market socialism (private ownership but a collective corporate structure) and the service sector run according to the current business model except with with executives taking more financial risk to their own assets rather than investors and less reliance on focus groups (especially the entertainment industry). Also, no lobbying by private interests and all utilities/commons/natural monopolies socialized (utilities, national parks and forests, health care, social services, banking, cable, phone service, internet providers), and a strong civil service equal in funding and numbers to the military in order to drive demand in the labor market up, keep unemployment down, and facilitate benefits and public services while keeping costs down.


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I find that long explanations are a good indication that the speaker doesn't know what their talking about. :P

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Social Democracy with manufacturing run according to Market socialism (private ownership but a collective corporate structure) and the service sector run according to the current business model except with with executives taking more financial risk to their own assets rather than investors and less reliance on focus groups (especially the entertainment industry). Also, no lobbying by private interests and all utilities/commons/natural monopolies socialized (utilities, national parks and forests, health care, social services, banking, cable, phone service, internet providers), and a strong civil service equal in funding and numbers to the military in order to drive demand in the labor market up, keep unemployment down, and facilitate benefits and public services while keeping costs down.

That's how to create the best HDI, not the best GDP.


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I find that long explanations are a good indication that the speaker doesn't know what their talking about. :P


I find snappy comebacks by morons who can't be bothered to read something polysyllabic to be typical of their inability to think and blink at the same time.

Actually HDI and GDP will both benefit, especially since businesses will be able to compete without bothering with benefits and will be able to get more products on the market, faster instead of bothering with stupid shit like what color a blender is or whether the new Disney movie is PC enough. The military will actually be able to use money wisely instead of being ripped off by private contractors too, unless you think the traditional military mess hall system is inferior to one in which KBR is paid billions to feed troops who don't have body armor spoiled food left over from corporate banquets.


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The fact of the matter is, social democracies DO NOT have the highest GDPs of the world's nations. They do have the highest HDIs. This isn't Einstein level stuff here.


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They also don't have the US's population.


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Will you be laughing when it's over?

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That's why earlier in this thread, I tried to explain that the form of government is fairly irrelevant towards the type of "success" the poster was looking for. Natural resources are far more important.


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Quality of life? Libertarian, direct democracy, etc.

Ideal america:
Representatives in all houses base their choices off of a vote on every decision, before they make their decision. There are two news channels. One that's democrat, and one that's republican. Currently all news channels are owned by the same person and say basically the same thing.

Instead of having an ultimate celebrity power in charge, we have an executive who only takes charge in crisis, in order to make executive decisions. Decisions about funding, going on an offensive war, etc. would be made by a 1 day vote. There would be two T.V. channels, each covering the vote from a yes/no perspective.

It would be much the same except none of this "Lets send troops to Afghanistan, or make another global warming law without the peoples say at our own whims bullshit" People shouldn't elect people to make non-urgent decisions for them; they should elect representatives who represent their vote, and then can and will make executive decisions in a time of crisis, such as the zombie apocalypse when the nation or something is at a huge threat which prevents voters from voting.

There would be no propaganda

There would be no bitching; fair game, everyone gets a vote in everything.

There would be no rash, instant decisions that lead into economic crisis.


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There would be no propaganda

There would be no bitching; fair game, everyone gets a vote in everything.

There would be no rash, instant decisions that lead into economic crisis.


Way to delude yourself.


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I have to give it to the Communist China. They have censorship, no tolerance for minorities, and they pretty much have one huge IOU from the United States. Plus they held the Olympics last year? Screw the US, England and France.

Mao was right!


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Yeah that's pretty unworkable, pretty much the Roman Republic. They're going to take forever to decide anything and are inevitably going to become corrupt since free market/libertarian economics have been proven to be unsustainable, leading to economic crisis at which point the president (or should I say praetor?) is going to step in, declare a permanent state of emergency and plunge the whole country into fascism.


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