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D-Wag
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Question Changing the World...

What are some ways we can change the world to this day or near future? It can be anything...from something as simple as recycling, or something as advance and sophisticated as redesigning the way we live completely.

Anything applies as long as its realistic. Think about the positives mostly though.

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Legalize drugs


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He said "positives", Bardock.

I'd legalize prostitution in all the states.


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Legalize drugs and prostitution. Get rid of the infrastructure used to enforce laws against those two categories and repurpose a small portion of those saved funds for regulation of them both.

Require that 99% of all energy comes from renewable, clean, sources by 2025. **** the fallout that would ensure: humans will get over it.


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Better punishment for criminals. Make people think twice before breaking the law and ruining peoples lives.

Make politicians legally accountable for what they say in their political campaigns (unrealistic I know).

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de-comodify basic nutritional needs and use technology to essentially eliminate the overhead in doing so (self-sufficent, automated, skyscraper farms). Change the market from the enforced artifical scarcity into one of effectively distributed surpluss

also, drugs and hookers


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It is hard to think of the positives stuff I would like to make abortions againist the law and for people to get good jobs and for the smoke laws to not exist anymore.


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Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
for people to get good jobs


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Originally posted by inimalist
de-comodify basic nutritional needs and use technology to essentially eliminate the overhead in doing so (self-sufficent, automated, skyscraper farms). Change the market from the enforced artifical scarcity into one of effectively distributed surpluss

also, drugs and hookers



Skyscraper Farms are a great way to condense and safe space. It could also give land back to wildlife. We would need a heck of a lot of buildings though.

Now when you guys say the legalization of drugs what do you mean. All drugs in general, or just the not so harmful ones and non-addicting.

A little something, we could redesign the roads and vehicles so that no one would ever drive off course or crash again. Drunk driving accidents would but eliminated. There already cars kind of like that but not that advance and slow in the making. I mean if there are cars that can self parallel park then w.t.f...

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Skyscraper Farms are a great way to condense and safe space. It could also give land back to wildlife. We would need a heck of a lot of buildings though.


so? it's not nearly as much of an investment as changing all the roads in a nation would be, and it essentially eliminates hunger, rather than being a band-aide for drunk driving.

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Now when you guys say the legalization of drugs what do you mean. All drugs in general, or just the not so harmful ones and non-addicting.


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A little something, we could redesign the roads and vehicles so that no one would ever drive off course or crash again. Drunk driving accidents would but eliminated. There already cars kind of like that but not that advance and slow in the making. I mean if there are cars that can self parallel park then w.t.f...


I actually don't really see this as having a major impact in people's lives. it would make life convenient, but I hardly see it as world changing


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Absolutely true, but that's why I said its a little something that could be changed. But that little something would open the eyes of the world and be like wow...people use to drive there cars from A to B without any safety precautions to eliminate death. Its like using a 1000 ton press that takes both hands to operate rather than pushing a single button and leaving room for error like it use too.

Something big and convenient would be mass international travel. Underground railroads that use magnets force to guide and move the "train." It would be frictionless and would not have wear an tear. Not only that, magnets moving along each other create energy, in which we could harness for other uses. Clean and efficient.

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Absolutely true, but that's why I said its a little something that could be changed. But that little something would open the eyes of the world and be like wow...people use to drive there cars from A to B without any safety precautions to eliminate death. Its like using a 1000 ton press that takes both hands to operate rather than pushing a single button and leaving room for error like it use too.

Something big and convenient would be mass international travel. Underground railroads that use magnets force to guide and move the "train." It would be frictionless and would not have wear an tear. Not only that, magnets moving along each other create energy, in which we could harness for other uses. Clean and efficient.


why do you think transportation is the most pressing issue that the world has to face? especially considering a huge portion of people (and the majority outside of the west) would have no way of affording it?

EDIT: for instance, improving public tranportation, using already existing technology, would cost far less and have an exponentially greater effect on people's lives.


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Originally posted by inimalist

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I don't agree with legalizing all drugs. I don't trust people to handle that kind of responsibility.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't agree with legalizing all drugs. I don't trust people to handle that kind of responsibility.


Yeah, well, you good thing you are not in charge


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I don't agree with legalizing all drugs. I don't trust people to handle that kind of responsibility.


the legal status has no effect on how many people use drugs, and if it does, studies would show that harsher enforcement leads to increased use.

there are no actual benefits to making them illegal. we could argue about over-the-counter access being a good idea, but there is no viable argument for prohibition that I am aware of.

that people can't handle them is rather moot. they will do them anyways, and the burden of fighting a losing war on drugs is tremendous.


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Do you think that if all drugs were legalized and unregulated, use of drugs that were formerly illegal would increase?


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Do you think that if all drugs were legalized and unregulated, use of drugs that were formerly illegal would increase?


I don't think so actually, but that's just a hunch, not based on anything I know as fact.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Do you think that if all drugs were legalized and unregulated, use of drugs that were formerly illegal would increase?


Obviously yes, the question is by how much? I personally don't think it would be large; though the younger crowd would likely see the largest increase overall due to easier access of legal substances.

EG I've only smoked/ate marijuana, if heroine, cocaine and LSD became legal tomorrow I wouldn't go out and try them, just cos I could legally now.

As inimilist implied, people who want drugs already get them, people who don't won't, legal or no.


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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Do you think that if all drugs were legalized and unregulated, use of drugs that were formerly illegal would increase?


I can't say no, but I suspect they wouldn't

the first reason is access. if you are 16, it is easier to get coke than it is to get booze, you just need to know the person to ask, if you want it.

the second reason is the "forbidden fruit" aspect. Ive had several people tell me it is the illegal part of drugs they like (like, when I was 16/17), and the only person I've met who abstains because of the law is ddm.

you might see some differences in use, but imho, you would see the greatest decline in use by teens. 1) with a legal market, the black market dies, so kids now don't deal with unscrupulous dealers, but a store where they will have their ID checked and 2) it isn't "cool" to get high anymore, as in, you aren't some badass because you break a law (I think a lot of people use drugs for the first time for this reason, and thus, less kids would try them, as opposed to people stopping once they become legal).

Its going to depend on the drug of course. I don't see people lining up to buy heroin, but pot is already ubiquitous in culture, so use of it might rise, but I don't think it would be to any significant degree.

EDIT: to rant a bit more, there were studies done on the use of pot during the 70s(?, might have been 60s) in the states that showed lower numbers of people using pot for the first time in states that had the most lenient laws on pot, and ones that consistently show the use of pot is considerably less by Dutch people than other European nations, the US or Canada (who leads the first world in use smile). Basically, and I don't find these studies conclusive to say prohibition causes use, but the trend seems to be that the less you police drugs, the less people do them.


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