Why Do People Hate The West for Trying to Control the Middle East?
It's not as if the Middle Eastern nations wouldn't try to do the exact same thing to the West if circumstances were switched.
That's just Geopolitics, for you...
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Re: Why Do People Hate The West for Trying to Control the Middle East?
That's an idiotic argument. So because someone else would do a really stupid, ineffective policy, we should do it too? This is the blind leading the blind.
Nope. Fully aware of our douchebaggery. I don't think the douchebaggery is exclusive to the western nations, though.
Yah, I agree. What we're doing now isn't working at all; thank god we're pulling out of Iraq. Kinda curious to see if Obama will really go through with that, though.
Interesting. So like, what in your opinion would be a better policy? By the by, I'm hoping you present something at least semi-practical, not, like, some hippie crap like "world peace". Obvs, if the whole world got along there'd be no need for the political games we're playing.
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then why are you surprised that people dislike the actions of a douche?
should people on the receiving end of American imperial power really say something like, "well, they feel it is their right to own all the resources of our land and control our government, and that is their pragmatic policy decision, and I can understand that, so I'm not angry!"?
I specified the West. Nobody likes a douchebag, lol.
Of course not. As someone who isn't on the receiving end of Western* Imperial power, though, how do you feel about the West's goal to **** the rest of the world in an attempt to remain the dominant force on the planet?
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Reminds me of Jesus' saying about removing the straw from your eye before pointing out the straw in others; that's probably where Martin Luther King got it from. It's one of my favorite scriptures, personally.
Do you think that's a realistic expectation of the world, though?
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conceptually: I think we should work for the survival of our societies and people, of course, and that involves securing certain types of trade and resources.
in practice: I don't think the way the west goes about it, in terms of propping up dictators and the use of covert/conventional military power, is the best way specifically because it breeds the type of resentment you talk about. America doesn't have to prop up a dictator to trade with Canada, or invade Mexico. Obviously there are massive differences between Canada and, say, Columbia or Bahrain, I just think the way we in the West approach other nations in these douchebag ways generally undermines our interests in the long run, though it might be exceedingly profitable in terms of immediate gains.
Re: Why Do People Hate The West for Trying to Control the Middle East?
The weak, disenfranchised, disadvantageous, poor, hungry, and begging all pardon--stupid, naturally distrust/hate those who are strong, enfranchised, advantageous, rich, (non-?)hungry, and begging all pardon--intelligent. Fear, ignorance, desire, and hate are all natural human responses, and those who the hate West's imperialism shouldn't be reprimanded for it. Conversely, those who practice imperialism and take from those that can't hold on are all equally human, and shouldn't be reprimanded either.
I've never understood the notion of "there's the West, and there's the rest". We're all petty, simple creatures trying to grab as much pie for ourselves as we can, and as it happens, one collective is in a much better position to reach more of it than the others. We're winning for now, one day that may change. No biggie.
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Last edited by Lord Lucien on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 06:33 AM
West is hypocritical, and that's why it's hated a bit more.
Anglo-American empire has spilt a lot of blood in history, given, many other have too, yet they're the ones that are constantly preaching about some kind of human rights, international law and democracy, YET, they're the ones constantly breaking international law, human rights and installing dictators around the world that would benefit Euro-American empire.
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can I just throw out there that those in the Middle East do a TERRIBLE job of controlling the middle east? They should be thankful that someone is trying to control them instead....
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