The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:
Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes — such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina — or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.
The Citadel is not your typical planned community where the developer's objective is selling cookie-cutter homes at the highest possible profit-margin.
The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.
Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles. -end snip
"A group of online organizers and a gun company are planning to build a fortified city in Idaho called The Citadel, where every resident from age 13 and up would be armed with guns. The goal of the community is to "fiercely" protect the ideals of American liberty and to be prepared for catastrophe of any kind. According to the Citadel website, the planned community is making room for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty -- the Rifle -- are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall." -end snip
Reminds me a bit of Glenn Beck's plan to build Glenn Beck Land , aka "Independance". Which he claims is inspired by Walt Disney World and Ayn Rand's Galt's Gulch.
Re: The Citadel: America's Freedom City of Tomorrow
Sounds pretty cool and interesting. However, I would be hesitant to live in a place like that until I got to know the people. If they were too fanatical, I'd pass. If they were very much libertarian, as it sounds, and left people alone to exercise personal choices, I would love to live in a place like that.
However, my better judgement says that most will be ultra-conservative Christians and Mormons.
But, yeah, I would love to help with the city planning and establishing some of the IT aspects of such a city. I would love to help design and establish their communications networking and Control Systems (PLCs used in the power grid, water, etc.). Lastly, I would love to be part of the contingency planning and disaster recovery committee.
Wouldn't you? You know, getting to build a city infrastructure from the ground up which included not only the physical aspects of such a project but the policy and procedure? The budget could be much higher than a standard budget since people would be donating money to the foundation....crazy paranoid people that would spend tons of money towards making a secure place. You don't get that kind of funding from standard city planning projects.
Also, I'm okay with Glen Beck. He yells a bit much for my taste but, overall, I actually like that guy. He's a bit nuts...and paranoid...but I like him.
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Help build it in some sort of contractor position and I can make money? Sure, why not.
Live there? Hell no. Sounds like a massive Jonestown Guyana Jim Jone's commune in the making. Sure, it started out with good intentions; then the doors closed and people started drinking the Kool-Aid.
Though from an experiment perspective, would be nice to see how a community fares when practically everyone is walking around armed.
most commentators are very quick to point out just how many rules controlling people's behaviour are enforced in a place that is determined to be all about liberty.
and how it reeks of communism...
if it gets off the ground, I agree with Rob, it will be a wonderful case study, but I tend to think it will never materialize in the first place. Same with the city Glenn Beck wants to build
Re: The Citadel: America's Freedom City of Tomorrow
Lol. It's a city built on the freedom to exclude people with different ideas of what freedom constitutes.
This is the essential flaw of all such utopian ventures, be they anarchic hippie communes, religious retreats, or libertarian fortresses in the wastelands--their highminded ideals are betrayed by the cynicism, arrogance, and insularity that beget them.
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I would extend that and say that it also inevitably results in generational dissidence. Even if you find a large group of people that generally share your ideals, those ideals are not necessarily going to be possessed by their progeny (no matter how dogmatic and strict the system). It could take 1 or 2 generations but it can happen fairly quickly especially if the community is oppressive.
It is much easier to retain the same dogma, generationally, if the society is extremely insular. I don't think, in this example, the society would be insular, at all.
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I don't see how it can avoid being insular when it's explicitly trying to divorce itself from the rest of society and live life based on poorly defined, most-likely-revisionist notions of what it means to be American, with guns. That's the most interesting part: what are they intending to use those guns for? Who are they worried about? You don't arm an entire population out of principle.
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“Where the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
So the Citadel is pretty much the modest, mediocre, unimaginative, and inferior alternative to the Venus Project?
Gotcha.
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