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Google Doodle goes rainbow...

..for gay rights ahead of Sochi Olympics.

I hope our government takes a hint. This is getting ridiculous. Watched the Simpsons episode (Russian dubs) few days ago, they deleted a scene where Bart said "gay". Just cut it out of the episode. Dumb and pointless. And they wonder why other nations look down on our country.


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I never saw the point in discriminating against gays. They are just regular people like everyone else. Nor do I see the need for gay rights. If they are just normal people why do they need rights to give them equal say in anything if they are just normal people.


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On this issue, a recent Onion video got uncharacteristically realistic:



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Google Doodle goes rainbow...

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Originally posted by SamZED

Google Doodle goes rainbow ...
... for gay rights ahead of Sochi Olympics.



One question: At what point did you know the Doodle had this as its message and was not simply an alternate disguised logo for Google (as most of its Doodles are), which has nearly identically the same color scheme?

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Re: Google Doodle goes rainbow...

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One question: At what point did you know the Doodle had this as its message and was not simply an alternate disguised logo for Google (as most of its Doodles are), which has nearly identically the same color scheme?


The colours are arranged like they would be in a rainbow.


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Re: Google Doodle goes rainbow...

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
One question: At what point did you know the Doodle had this as its message and was not simply an alternate disguised logo for Google (as most of its Doodles are), which has nearly identically the same color scheme?
Because the logo links to the Olympic Charter values and articles discussing the gay-rights issue surrounding Sochi.


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Nor do I see the need for gay rights. If they are just normal people why do they need rights to give them equal say in anything if they are just normal people.


You realize they're discriminated against, right? They're fighting for gay rights because they don't have many of the same rights, especially in places like Russia.

I think this is just poorly worded, but it's very confusing.


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Digi, same question put to you, for it's going (presumably) to be different for each person:


At what point did you know the Doodle had this as its message and was not simply an alternate disguised logo for Google (as most of its Doodles are), which has nearly identically the same color scheme?

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I think its pretty obvious from the quote:

"The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practicing sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play." –Olympic Charter

Its not hard to see what they're implying there.


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Originally posted by Nephthys
I think its pretty obvious from the quote:

"The practice of sport is a human right. Every individual must have the possibility of practicing sport, without discrimination of any kind and in the Olympic spirit, which requires mutual understanding with a spirit of friendship, solidarity and fair play." –Olympic Charter

Its not hard to see what they're implying there.



True.

Even so, the Doodle communicates its message differently for different people.


3 main ways:

the color arrangement of the doodle
the quote that accompanies the doodle
the article that links to the doodle and quote

and/or
some combination of the above.

I was wondering what feature or combination of features caught SamZED's attention and which caught Digi's.

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Google Doodle goes rainbow...

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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The colours are arranged like they would be in a rainbow.



I actually did not recognize this until you said that.

Once you did, I could see it as the classic "Roy G. Biv" pattern of the rainbow

Red,
orange,
yellow,

Green,

Blue,
indigo, and
violet bands,

respectively.


As such, it is a symbol that communicates without a single word being spoken;
the quote and article are scarcely more than confirmation.



Again, communication by color arrangement pattern.
Simple. Subtle. Effective.



Reminds me of something I alluded to earlier:


Advertising is designed to work on a SUBconscious level, the level below your actively thinking awareness.

It is therefore effective in ways and degrees that are very, very hard for most people to detect or fully appreciate.


Consider the following for a remarkable illustration of just how powerful advertising can be, in an experiment done with advertisers THEMSELVES being subjected to standard advertising technique:

Derren Brown, the power of advertising (subliminal suggestions, etcetera)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQXe1CokWqQ
6 min 45 sec



Thank you for your response.

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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
On this issue, a recent Onion video got uncharacteristically realistic:




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"Uncharacterstically realistic", indeed.

That is amazingly realistically done for a spoof video, at least until the 2 min 30 sec mark where that football player gets shown.

The bulk of the clip looks nothing stylistically like the parody screen shot suggests.

The Onion is essentially a once every 3 week local college paper here.
Guess that colored my perceptions.

They must have a far bigger production budget than I initially thought.

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You realize they're discriminated against, right? They're fighting for gay rights because they don't have many of the same rights, especially in places like Russia.


How so?

What in Russia specifically are they barred from doing that other people are able to do legally?

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How so?

What in Russia specifically are they barred from doing that other people are able to do legally?


Like marrying?


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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Digi, same question put to you, for it's going (presumably) to be different for each person:


At what point did you know the Doodle had this as its message and was not simply an alternate disguised logo for Google (as most of its Doodles are), which has nearly identically the same color scheme?


When I read this thread. I use the google search bar at the top of my browser, so I rarely see the main page.

But really, I was responding to Supra. I don't much care about the Google thing.

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How so?

What in Russia specifically are they barred from doing that other people are able to do legally?


You serious? Do a Google search. Russia is insanely backward with LGBT rights. Here's a couple I stumbled across earlier today:



http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/02/03/...phobic-violence

...and again, that's just the tip of the iceberg.


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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/02/03/...phobic-violence

...and again, that's just the tip of the iceberg.


Doesn't that look similar to the 1960s equal rights movement? The differences are, of course, the addition of modern technology into these situations (and a whole let less lynching).

I am now irritated, ass. Why did you have to link the video? sad

Why do people care so damn much about what two consenting adults do in private with their privates? Why...does it matter??? sad


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Originally posted by Digi
They're fighting for gay rights because they don't have many of the same rights, especially in places like Russia.


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Originally posted by bluewaterrider

What in Russia specifically are they barred from doing that other people are able to do legally?


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Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Like marrying?




Marriage is a bit different from the sort of thing Digi is describing, AG.

Actually, marriage is quite a bit different from the way most people describe it when a topic like this comes up, at least from a legal standpoint.

The following is still probably the best illustration and response for why that is:





Gay "Marriage" (part 1 of 2)

(Thomas Sowell)


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Now that a number of state courts have refused to redefine marriage to include same-sex unions, cries of "discrimination" are being heard.

The "equal protection of the laws" provided by the Constitution of the United States applies to people, not actions. Laws exist precisely in order to discriminate between different kinds of actions.

When the law permits automobiles to drive on highways but forbids bicycles from doing the same, that is not discrimination against people. A cyclist who gets off his bicycle and gets into a car can drive on the highway just like anyone else.

In a free society, vast numbers of things are neither forbidden nor facilitated. They are considered to be none of the law's business.

Homosexuals were on their strongest ground when they said that the law had no business interfering with relations between consenting adults. Now they want the law to put a seal of approval on their behavior. But no one is entitled to anyone else's approval.

Why is marriage considered to be any of the law's business in the first place? Because the state asserts an interest in the outcomes of certain unions, separate from and independent of the interests of the parties themselves.

In the absence of the institution of marriage, the individuals could arrange their relationship whatever way they wanted to, making it temporary or permanent, and sharing their worldly belongings in whatever way they chose.

Marriage means that the government steps in, limiting or even prescribing various aspects of their relations with each other -- and still more their relationship with whatever children may result from their union.

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Gay "Marriage" (Part 2)

(Thomas Sowell, August 15, 2006)

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In other words, marriage imposes legal restrictions, taking away rights that individuals might otherwise have. Yet "gay marriage" advocates depict marriage as an expansion of rights to which they are entitled.

They argue against a "ban on gay marriage" but marriage has for centuries meant a union of a man and a woman. There is no gay marriage to ban.

Analogies with bans against interracial marriage are bogus. Race is not part of the definition of marriage. A ban on interracial marriage is a ban on the same actions otherwise permitted because of the race of the particular people involved. It is a discrimination against people, not actions.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said that the life of the law has not been logic but experience. Vast numbers of laws have accumulated and evolved over the centuries, based on experience with male-female unions.

There is no reason why all those laws should be transferred willy-nilly to a different union, one with no inherent tendency to produce children nor the inherent asymmetries of relationships between people of different sexes.

Despite attempts to evade these asymmetries with such fashionable phrases as "a pregnant couple" or references to "spouses" rather than husbands and wives, these asymmetries take many forms and have many repercussions, which laws attempt to deal with on the basis of experience, rather than theories or rhetoric.

Wives, for example, typically invest in the family by restricting their own workforce participation, if only long enough to take care of small children. Studies show such differences still persisting in this liberated age, and even among women and men with postgraduate degrees from Harvard and Yale.

In the absence of marriage laws, a husband could dump his wife at will and she could lose decades of investment in their relationship. Marriage laws seek to recoup some of that investment for her through alimony when divorce occurs.

Those who think of women and men in the abstract consider it right that ex-husbands should be as entitled to alimony as ex-wives. But what are these ex-husbands being compensated for?

And why should any of this experience apply to same-sex unions, where there are not the same inherent asymmetries nor the same tendency to produce children?

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http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2006/08/15/gay_marriage/page/full/

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Originally posted by dadudemon

Why do people care ...
about what two consenting adults do in private ... ?



1) What Digi showed with that video was pure, indefensible thuggery.
Don't misinterpret this post as a response to that video.

2) erm I learned this today; the age of consent in Russia ... is 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Russia

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I never said anything about marriage or legal stuff. BWR did. That's a separate discussion. But they're being discriminated against...verbally, physically, politically. Do we really have to think about why they're fighting for rights? They're being treated as less than human.

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Doesn't that look similar to the 1960s equal rights movement? The differences are, of course, the addition of modern technology into these situations (and a whole let less lynching).

I am now irritated, ass. Why did you have to link the video? sad

Why do people care so damn much about what two consenting adults do in private with their privates? Why...does it matter??? sad


Exactly. It's soured the whole Olympics for me. I can't in good conscience put it out of my mind to try to enjoy a sporting event.


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