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Should we bow in fear and run away from this phrase?

When we hear the phrase "Scientists said so."

What are the all the things scientists said so, so that means is fact? And who are these scientists? Are they above or beyond reproach, what is their record, what are their names, credentials I should bow in fear to when their anonymous names are brought up in conversations.

Who are these scientists that we should all live in fear when we hear their name?

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IMO, you shouldn't go to the doctor ever again. What do they know anyways. Lab test/results? Pfft, probably more fake news.


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Im fine with going to the doctor and seeing him face to face. Seeing his or her credentials on the wall. But in a conversation online or in person when I hear "Scientists said so" makes me cringe.

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I agree, not all scientists are equal. I'd want to know about their work, etc.


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In the phrase it's rigged to leave our any room for requestioning the unnamed and unknown scientist.

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"Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. What Iím saying is, when different experiments give you the same result, it is no longer subject to your opinion. Thatís the good thing about science: Itís true whether or not you believe in it. Thatís why it works." -Neal deGrasse Tyson


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That guy is a self absorbed fraud.

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"Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. What Iím saying is, when different experiments give you the same result, it is no longer subject to your opinion. Thatís the good thing about science: Itís true whether or not you believe in it. Thatís why it works." -Neal deGrasse Tyson


Why did you post this?


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When we hear the phrase "Scientists said so."

What are the all the things scientists said so, so that means is fact? And who are these scientists? Are they above or beyond reproach, what is their record, what are their names, credentials I should bow in fear to when their anonymous names are brought up in conversations.

Who are these scientists that we should all live in fear when we hear their name?


Lol.

Because its not about science nor their credentials. Its about challenging fundamental beliefs that shake a persons core values.

People appreciate smart phone technology, we like the science of how are cable works (no-one is hassling the IT guy about what school he went to), every piece of equipment from calculators to microwave ovens involve science.

But when a scientist(s) tells you something that goes againt family, God and country beliefs (essentially my family didnt raise me to believe that, my religion doesnt teach that, my politial party is against that) we discredit anything counter-intuitive.


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Lol.

Because its not about science nor their credentials. Its about challenging fundamental beliefs that shake a persons core values.

People appreciate smart phone technology, we like the science of how are cable works (no-one is hassling the IT guy about what school he went to), every piece of equipment from calculators to microwave ovens involve science.

But when a scientist(s) tells you something that goes againt family, God and country beliefs (essentially my family didnt raise me to believe that, my religion doesnt teach that, my politial party is against that) we discredit anything counter-intuitive.


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Climate change isn't about God or Religion though. It's bout wether it's an made or part of lifem. The climate has been changing for billioss of years.

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So just to be crystal clear here: we are saying it is wrong to ask to see credentials? I just want that made plainly clear if that is the case lol.


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What a title. laughing out loud


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When we hear the phrase "Scientists said so."

What are the all the things scientists said so, so that means is fact? And who are these scientists? Are they above or beyond reproach, what is their record, what are their names, credentials I should bow in fear to when their anonymous names are brought up in conversations.

Who are these scientists that we should all live in fear when we hear their name?


Scientists are beyond reproach if they toe the line.

If they challenge the orthodoxy, they get marginalized.

See: Noam Chomsky. The neo-liberal left (The ones who control the corporations that own network news) distances themselves from him as much as the right does.

Professors also only cite his views with heavy reservations..


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Climate change isn't about God or Religion though. It's bout wether it's an made or part of lifem. The climate has been changing for billioss of years.


Based on what...? Science perhaps?

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Im fine with going to the doctor and seeing him face to face. Seeing his or her credentials on the wall. But in a conversation online or in person when I hear "Scientists said so" makes me cringe.


You bring up a good point.

I assume youve read articles on parents who refuse to allow children to receive one form of medical treatment or another. Its never about the doctors merits, his medical science, scientific equipment (x-rays, cat scans) etc....its because their God does not allow it. Youre challenging peoples faith...so they rather allow death than live with the thought that they were misguided or simply wrong.


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So just to be crystal clear here: we are saying it is wrong to ask to see credentials? I just want that made plainly clear if that is the case lol.



How do you, John Doe from Podunk Iowa, accurately judge a scientists "credentials"?


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How do you, John Doe from Podunk Iowa, accurately judge a scientists "credentials"?


Where he went to school and what he has possibly done in the past, not a whole lot would be needed I don't want the entire life story of this person. You act like to ask is to immediately say the person is lying.

The bigger the scientific claim? The more I want to know about the scientists.


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Sin, the medical community have also perscribed things that were later found to do much more harm then good.

It's a double edged sword, and skepticism is definately warrented based on history.


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Sin, the medical community have also perscribed things that were later found to do much more harm then good.

It's a double edged sword, and skepticism is definately warrented based on history.


I experienced that, being given meds that were not good for you. Also I would bring up how people sometimes get second opinions if given a major diagnosis(like something life threatening)


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Where he went to school and what he has possibly done in the past, not a whole lot would be needed I don't want the entire life story of this person. You act like to ask is to immediately say the person is lying.

The bigger the scientific claim? The more I want to know about the scientists.


You are deflecting a tad. How should i phrase this....ok. So by knowing his school that proves what exactly? And what do you mean by his past? Be specific. If you were my patient and walked into my office and wanted to evaluate my abilities provide me with a step-by-step breakdown of how youd do that?


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Sin, the medical community have also perscribed things that were later found to do much more harm then good.

It's a double edged sword, and skepticism is definately warrented based on history.


Nowhere did i state to blindly follow. Doing your own research is fine. The nature of science is trial and error.

HOWEVER, hand-waving away a theory without first-hand knowledge is silly.


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