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Systematic Issues

This is to shed a light on the uncovered systematic issues we ignore like our criminal justice system, largely segregated school system, environmental discrimination, voter suppression, gentrification, ect.

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What specific issues come to mind for criminal justice? And what sort of acts do you consider voter suppression?


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I mean I'll agree with him on criminal justice to an extent, at least in the sense of the fact that our prison environments are pretty cruel and inhumane, and that private prisons are terrible given the private prison lobby they generate.


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What specific issues come to mind for criminal justice?

-> putting people in jail for acts that don't violate other people's rights

-> people committing minor crimes having it put in their permanent record making it near impossible to get a jon

-> not allowing ex-convicts to vote

-> for profit privately owned prisons

-> utilizing prisoners for unpaid labor, aka, slavery

-> focusing on punishment rather than rehabilitation
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And what sort of acts do you consider voter suppression?

-> adding requirements that lower voter turnout despite there being no evidence of widespread voter fraud

-> removing the number of places people can vote in crowded cities making it more difficult to vote

-> curtailing early voting

-> rezoning so that poor neiborhoods are given a disproportionately small amount of representation in local governments

Also, doesn't really count as voter suppression, but us not making election day a national holiday is the pinnacle of stupidity.

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I mean I'll agree with him on criminal justice to an extent, at least in the sense of the fact that our prison environments are pretty cruel and inhumane, and that private prisons are terrible given the private prison lobby they generate.

You seem to have issues with school intergration.

Should we continue the discussion we had on gh or nah?

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I mean I'll agree with him on criminal justice to an extent, at least in the sense of the fact that our prison environments are pretty cruel and inhumane, and that private prisons are terrible given the private prison lobby they generate.


There are other issues too, especially just overall with our justice system. Far too often we see wealth can be a factor when it comes to getting away with things. That happens both in shady and non shady ways. The non shady way is just the fact that someone who can't afford a good lawyer is at a huge disadvantage. There are also disparities in sentencing. Men are far more likely to receive a harsher sentence than a woman for the same crime. Even when it comes to just being charged for a crime...women who are arrested are less likely to be charged compared to men.

Also I feel that there are crimes that warrant a minimum sentence and yet either do not have one or do not have an adequate one. IMO rape should get you a minimum of 10 years.


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-> adding requirements that lower voter turnout despite there being no evidence of widespread voter fraud

-> removing the number of places people can vote in crowded cities making it more difficult to vote

-> curtailing early voting

-> rezoning so that poor neiborhoods are given a disproportionately small amount of representation in local governments

Also, doesn't really count as voter suppression, but us not making election day a national holiday is the pinnacle of stupidity.


Would you say that requiring someone to have an id to vote is voter suppression?


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Would you say that requiring someone to have an id to vote is voter suppression?

As it reduces voter turnout, then it is, by definition, voter suppression.

The main issue of course is there's no evidence to suggest there's any widespread fraud so you're lowering the amount of voters while failing to address significant issues.

Now if, there was widespread voter fraud, them there's be legitimate cause for voter suppression here

Regardless, of your stance on this, do you disagree with any of my other examples as being sumb policy?

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As it reduces voter turnout, then it is, by definition, voter suppression.

The main issue of course is there's no evidence to suggest there's any widespread fraud so you're lowering the amount of voters while failing to address significant issues.

Now if, there was widespread voter fraud, them there's be legitimate cause for voter suppression here

Regardless, of your stance on this, do you disagree with any of my other examples as being sumb policy?


I agree the other stuff is dumb, but let me rephrase my other question then: do you think requiring someone to have an id to vote is bad?


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As for criminal justice, I should also add our fcked up bail system.

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I agree the other stuff is dumb, but let me rephrase my other question then: do you think requiring someone to have an id to vote is bad?
Yes, because it reduces voter turnout and there's no evidence it's stopping anything.

In other words, it's an ineffective policy with greater negatives than positives.

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Dude, that is so ****ing retarded. Of course you should have proof of identification to vote.


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Dude, that is so ****ing retarded. Of course you should have proof of identification to vote.


Uh, no, it's retarded to reduce voter turnout for a policy meant to weed out voter fraud when there's only been 31 cases of voter fraud since 2000.

There's no way you can frame this into an issue of morality here. The only possible justification for a policy that reduces turnout is that it solves a problem.

We already have other ways to check them that don't reduce voter turnout like id does

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Dude, that is so ****ing retarded. Of course you should have proof of identification to vote.
I pretty much agree. It's insane that you would need ID to buy cigarettes or booze but not to vote. How exactly do they prevent minors/illegal immigrants/unregistered/felons from voting if there is no proof of identity required?

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I don't see it is as wrong to require an ID to vote. An ID is required to do lots of things in this country.

I support making it easier for people to obtain proper identification.


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I don't see it is as wrong to require an ID to vote. An ID is required to do lots of things in this country.

I support making it easier for people to obtain proper identification.
This issue will be fixed in the future when they start micro-chipping us all at birth.

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I pretty much agree. It's insane that you would need ID to buy cigarettes or booze but not to vote. How exactly do they prevent minors/illegal immigrants/unregistered/felons from voting if there is no proof of identity required?


The other day I had to show an ID in order to purchase cough medicine lol.


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That's cause naughty children use it to get wasted.

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And I am pretty sure ID is needed if you want to get any sort of welfare.


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Honestly I feel like I would rather up the standard for who can vote and have some sort of aptitude test. And I'd like that test to be at least hard enough that I wouldn't be able to pass it.

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