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When it came to racism, the pen was Stan Lee's superpower

A lot is stated about Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Stan Lee and Ditko etc.

But... There was another side to Lee, A card carrying Democrat, Stan helped show people with his soapbox their was a better way than being a racist and a bigot.

Excelsior Stan!

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Stan Lee was a seminal part of Miya Crummell's childhood. As a young, black girl and self-professed pop culture geek, she saw Lee was ahead of his time.
"At the time, he wrote 'Black Panther' when segregation was still heavy," said the 27-year-old New Yorker who is a graphic designer and independent comic book artist. "It was kind of unheard of to have a black lead character, let alone a title character and not just a secondary sidekick kind of thing."
Crummell spent much of the '90s engrossed in Marvel Comics. And she felt so indebted to Lee that she waited in line to meet him at a 2012 convention.
"I had a chance to tell him he was my hero," she said. "He influenced my whole career path and I got to thank him for that."
Lee, the master and creator behind Marvel's biggest superheroes, died at age 95 on Monday.
As fans celebrate his contributions to the pop culture canon, some have also revisited how Lee felt that with his comic books came great responsibility. The Marvel wizard used his pen to conquer such real-world foes as racism and xenophobia. Since the 1960s, Lee advocated for tolerance through the only platform he had: the comic book pages. It was on those pages that he wrote "Stan's Soapbox" columns preaching against bigotry and that he introduced characters of color. While Marvel's representation of minorities in comics hasn't been without its stereotyping hiccups, there's no denying Lee broadened the image of the quintessential superhero.
Under Lee's leadership, Marvel Comics introduced a generation of comic book readers to an African prince who rules a mythical and technologically advanced kingdom, a black ex-con whose brown skin repels bullets and the X-Men, a group of heroes whose superpowers are as different as their cultural backgrounds.
The works and ideas of Lee and the artists behind T'Challa, the Black Panther; Luke Cage, Hero for Hire; and Professor Xavier's band of merry mutants — groundbreaking during the 1960s and 1970s — have become a cultural force breaking down barriers to inclusion.
Lee had his fingers in all that Marvel produced, but some of the characters and plot lines "came from the artists being inspired by what was happening in the '60s," said freelance writer Alex Simmons.
Still, there was some pushback by white comics distributors when it came to black heroes and characters. Some bundles of Marvel Comics were sent back because some distributors weren't prepared for the Black Panther and the phenomenal super African kingdom of Wakanda developed by artist and co-creator Jack Kirby.
"Stan had to take those risks," Simmons said. "There was a liberation movement, and I think Marvel became the voice of the people, tied into that rebellious energy and rode with it."
n 1968, a tumultuous year in the nation that saw the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., Lee wrote one of his most vocal "Soapbox" essays calling bigotry and racism "the deadliest social ills plaguing the world today."
"But, unlike a team of costumed super-villains, they can't be halted with a punch in the snoot, or a zap from a ray gun," Lee wrote. "The only way to destroy them is to expose them — to reveal them for the insidious evils they really are."
Marvel's characters always were at the forefront of how to deal with racial and other forms of discrimination, according to Mikhail Lyubansky, who teaches psychology of race and ethnicity at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.
"The original X-Men were less about race and more about cultural differences," Lyubansky said. "Black Panther and some of the (Marvel) films took the mantle and ran with the racial issue in ways I think Stan didn't intend. But they were a great vehicle for it."
Some of the efforts to break out minority characters haven't aged well. Marvel characters like the Fu Manchu-esque villain The Mandarin and the Native American athletic hero Wyatt Wingfoot were considered groundbreaking in the '60s and '70s, but may seem dated and too stereotypical when viewed through a 21st-century lens.
"It's interesting. Stan Lee kind of takes the credit and the blame, depending on the character," said William Foster III, who helped establish the East Coast Black Age of Comics Convention and is an English professor at Naugatuck Valley Community College in Waterbury, Connecticut.
Foster, who started reading Marvel Comics in the 1960s, said one reason they appealed to him was because they started including people of color in the background.
"Stan Lee had the attitude of 'We're in New York City. How can we possibly not have black people in New York City?'" Foster said.
Blacks began taking on the roles of heroes and villains. Foster said some characters may have been seen as "tokenism" but that's sometimes where progress has to start.
In 10 years, the Marvel Cinematic Universe films have netted more than $17.6 billion in worldwide grosses. The "Black Panther" movie pulled in more than $200 million in its debut weekend earlier this year.
"I had a lot of white friends growing up," said freelance writer Simmons, who is black. "We watched 'Batman' and we also watched 'The Mod Squad.' My personal belief is that if you put the material out in front of folks and they connect with it, they are going to connect with it."
For many fans and consumers, it's about the product not the skin color or sexual orientation of the character, he added.
Crummell, the comic book artist, said she thinks representation for minorities and women in comic books is improving.
"I think now, they're seeing that everybody reads comics. It's not a specific group now," Crummell said. "It's not just African-American people — it's women, it's Asians, Hispanic characters now. I would credit Stan Lee with kind of breaking the barrier for that."

Marvel under Disney, continues Stan's progressive and Liberal agenda, in a way Stan was the anti Jordan Peterson. A man who never put others down because of sex, religion or colour.

What a guy! He will be missed by caring and empathic people worldwide.


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Makes the SJW's on the left look like utter pieces of shit for calling him racist, right?


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Makes the SJW's on the left look like utter pieces of shit for calling him racist, right?
I wouldn't know, I'm not into YouTube drama. Kids protest about stuff, nothing new there.


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If only it were merely kids doing it as opposed to grown ass adults, amirite? Then what you just said would be relevant.

Also: paragraphs are your friend. Use them.


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If only it were merely kids doing it as opposed to grown ass adults, amirite? Then what you just said would be relevant.

Also: paragraphs are your friend. Use them.


It's just a few kids on youtube. IT's like saying the right and left extremes are as bad as each other... One is kids on youtube, the other is Governors and the POTUS in the US.

Maybe, I'm on my mobile and don't really enjoy typing on it.


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It's just a few kids on youtube. IT's like saying the right and left extremes are as bad as each other... One is kids on youtube, the other is Governors and the POTUS in the US.

Maybe, I'm on my mobile and don't really enjoy typing on it.


Nope: it's grown ass adults doing it. It'd be comforting if it was merely 14 yr. olds on youtube doing it, it's not.

Anyways, favorite so far:

"Look I don't have time for this s**t. White people, in the big ass majority are racist. Most white famous people are disgusting. White people literally invented racism. Go suck Stan Lee's dick if you support him so much, ok? I have better things to do like celebrate his death,"

Good stuff lol.

You see he's racist cuz he said Peter Parker should be white. Practically Hitler, amirite bro?


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I wouldn't know, I'm not into YouTube drama. Kids protest about stuff, nothing new there.
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One guy trying desperately for YouTube hits said something so Surtur now believes the entire left hates Stan Lee. You cannot force this kind of stupidity on anyone. Stan Lee was great and will be remembered forever. Make mine marvel.


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You see he's racist cuz he said Peter Parker should be white. Practically Hitler, amirite bro?


Oh and he's homophobic too cuz he said Peter Parker needs to be heterosexual. What a monster.


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Oh and he's homophobic too cuz he said Peter Parker needs to be heterosexual. What a monster.
No one besides you here is peddling the nonsense. You are quoting yourself and carrying on like a madman.


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RIP Stan, still triggering snowflakes.


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RIP Stan, still triggering snowflakes.
Yes, somehow he triggered you and LoB. Two snowflakes. **** yes.


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It's just glorious seeing grown ass adults call him racist, makes me laugh at their sadness.


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It's just glorious seeing grown ass adults call him racist, makes me laugh at their sadness.
No one here so continue to be triggered by the people who lured you with their clickbait.


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@ the OP: I'd argue his super power was triggering snowflakes on the left. Rustling jimmies and shiznit. Good stuff! Best part is seeing people lose their minds over this being pointed out.


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@ the OP: I'd argue his super power was triggering snowflakes on the left. Rustling jimmies and shiznit. Good stuff! Best part is seeing people lose their minds over this being pointed out.
He triggered you and LoB who are tighty righties.


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You all act like such *****, and now you drag Stan Lee in to it. Great. thumb up


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You all act like such *****, and now you drag Stan Lee in to it. Great. thumb up


His wanting Peter Parker to be white makes him practically Hitler though.


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His wanting Peter Parker to be white makes him practically Hitler though.
Said no one here. Who cares what some fanatic says? Only you apparently.


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I bet Stan Lee was secretly rooting for Red Skull to win.


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Oh Surt.


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