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USA vs Europe (whose free speech is more free)

By Europe I mean UK, Germany and other countries where free speech is an actual real thing.


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EU Article 13

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There was a story of a woman getting arrested in either England or Germany for accidentally Mia gendered someone.

The EU has nothing that can compare to the US Constitution.

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is there a reason were' comparing a country to a continent?

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is there a reason were' comparing a country to a continent?


Did you forget that about the European Union which has a common currency, and many laws and regulations that govern those member countries?

They share a much closure relationship than the US and Canada.


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Did you forget that about the European Union which has a common currency, and many laws and regulations that govern those member countries?

They share a much closure relationship than the US and Canada.

So?

European states vary vastly in terms of "freedom".

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is there a reason were' comparing a country to a continent?


Because that's what the thread starter wants to talk about.


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The top three countries named "most free" are all in Europe, so there's your answer.


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Originally posted by SquallX
There was a story of a woman getting arrested in either England or Germany for accidentally Mia gendered someone.

The EU has nothing that can compare to the US Constitution.


Oh no she didn't accidentally do it lol. She did it on purpose, but I don't see why that matters either as she stated a fact.

Remember though: 3000 people a year are arrested in the UK for online hate speech lol.

The cops legit investigated a dude who retweeted a limerick about transgender people. Yes you read that correctly: he didn't even write the limerick, just retweeted it.

I think Germany also has some wacky online hate speech laws, but I'm also 99% sure saying the holocaust didn't happen is illegal lol. Which is silly, but there it is.

EDIT: Yeah.. Germany definitely isn't getting the win here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/147...acebook-twitter

"In the United States, many people know that to use Nazi symbols in Germany, to deny the Holocaust, or to inveigh against foreigners is to risk prison. But few realize that even to call a politician a liar or an ******* is to invite a costly defamation suit. (A few years ago, a friend of my mother’s had to pay a big fine for flipping off a motorist who cut her off when she was cycling to work.)"


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Are there no such examples in the US?


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The top three countries named "most free" are all in Europe, so there's your answer.


Lol name the countries.


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The top three countries named "most free" are all in Europe, so there's your answer.
Truthfully no one is as free as an expat in a 3rd world country.


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There's not an equivalent of the first amendment in any of the European countries, is there?

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
So?

European states vary vastly in terms of "freedom".


According to that site, members of the EU, which is almost all of Europe, do not vary significantly in their Freedom.

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Would you like to know why? The EU has "freedom" and rights laws that govern how members states can treat people.



I sure hope your enjoy this new bit of knowledge. You are more educated for having had this conversation with me. Be grateful that you have someone like me in your life to expand your knowledge and rid you of you assumptive ignorance.

For more reading and to familiarize yourself with the EU, please visit this site and the supplemental links.

https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/human-rights_en


FYI, to many citizens of the EU, they take pride in their rights, protections, and freedoms. The EU is something to be proud of for the most part. Sure, member states have plenty of autonomy, but now you know why people would group Europe in with "freedoms" when talking about countries and their freedoms around the world.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
According to that site, members of the EU, which is almost all of Europe, do not vary significantly in their Freedom.

smile

Would you like to know why? The EU has "freedom" and rights laws that govern how members states can treat people.



I sure hope your enjoy this new bit of knowledge. You are more educated for having had this conversation with me. Be grateful that you have someone like me in your life to expand your knowledge and rid you of you assumptive ignorance.

For more reading and to familiarize yourself with the EU, please visit this site and the supplemental links.

https://europa.eu/european-union/topics/human-rights_en


FYI, to many citizens of the EU, they take pride in their rights, protections, and freedoms. The EU is something to be proud of for the most part. Sure, member states have plenty of autonomy, but now you know why people would group Europe in with "freedoms" when talking about countries and their freedoms around the world.
Yup, I value it so much I got an Irish passport.


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obviously america

america is the only country in all of history that has something close to true political free speech


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Lol name the countries.

Finland, Norway, Sweden.


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Finland: Hate speech laws and blasphemy laws
Sweden: Hate speech laws
Norway: Hate speech laws

Bullshit


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Finland: Hate speech laws and blasphemy laws
Sweden: Hate speech laws
Norway: Hate speech laws

Bullshit
I think that speech laws provide freedom for minorities. I know you don't though.


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I think that speech laws provide freedom for minorities. I know you don't though.


you know that lots of hate speech cases were actually for anti-religion and anti-christian speech right


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