What are your thoughts on this effort? Is this was actual fascism looks like? Is this was AntiFa was afraid of? Or is this correct and proper behavior? Why? (for whatever side you stake on this coversation)
I can understand the desire not to want to whitewash political opponents that have done monstrous things, I found it immensely unseemly when Democrats started heaping praise on Bush, who I believe to be a much worse president than even Trump was, and who should by all rights be tried for crimes against humanity. But because he said some mildly critical things about Trump he was hailed as part of the “Resistance”. It’s sickening, and that’s what I think real TDS was.
When has any initiative that starts with making a list ever ended well? Even some thing as theoretically positive like the sex offenders list has ruined lives of innocent/decent people and that's a list everyone can agree on.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Didn't realize anyone would think that was an actual quote, just pointing out how McCarthy like her actions are.
I don't think she's actually smart enough to know who McCarthy even was.
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
No, she really is for making a list of political enemies so that they can be dealt with
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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Per a Yale professor, "The key thing is that fascist politics is about identifying enemies, appealing to the in-group (usually the majority group), and smashing truth and replacing it with power."
Two of those are being addressed with an action like this. We've seen this kinda thing many times before and it almost always problematic. Identifying political enemies, particularly publicly, is a frequent fascist tactic. The most obvious example is Jews being forced to wear badges in Nazi Germany.
Don't get me wrong, I want to hold politicians accountable for what they support. But public political enemies lists is clearly the wrong way to do it. Worse, they intend to list every fool who supported Trump. This is downright dangerous. It will open up many people to abuse and doxing simply for exorcising a different political opinion.
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You're taking people's tweets being collected and comparing it to the holocaust, yeah, that's not gonna fly.
This seems like it's about accountability. eg Ted Cruz is supporting Trump's insane rhetoric that he was cheated. No one is forcing Cruz to do this, he's a grown man doing it himself. If this comes back to politically bite him in the ass if/when he runs for POTUS again with one of his opponents bringing it up, that is Cruz's fault.
Except that's not what they're doing here. They are creating a list of everyone who supported him. Furthermore, I did not compare it to the holocaust itself, but to forcing Jewish people to wear badges to make them identifiable. Which it is. With one quick and easy search, you would be able to easily see if a person you just met was a Trumper.
Plus I do have a problem with people using tweets from a dozen years ago to ruin people lives.
I would also say that it is a stretch to equate the tweet with the red scare and McCarthyism. The Project neither. Of course it does have potential to go off the rails. I think the big thing that needs to be clear is that there is a difference between the actual people in power, the high level functionaries of the Republican party and people that just voted or campaigned for Trump. I doN't see much issue with not wanting to rehabilitate people like Steve Bannon, Steven Mnuchin, Betsy DeVos or Jared Kushner. My worry is that the opposite will happen, that the people in power right now will be openly embraced in a bipartisan manner by the people in power next year, so they can continue their century long project of screwing over working Americans that keep the country going (whether they voted red, blue, or didn't vote at all).
But I don't feel particularly bad if Ivanka isn't invited to the liberal masquerade balls she likes to attend, or if Google doesn't hire some Trump Admin stooge for political gain...
So I went to the website itself and right away I see it's not a list of "everyone who supported him", that's just a scare bogeyman tactic. The list is very specific and it's not about getting tweets from average voters or the masses.
Copy/Pasted from the site:
-Individuals who worked for the Trump for President campaign, Republican National Committee, and affiliated PACs in 2016 or 2020.
-Individuals who worked in any role as a political appointee in the Trump Administration.
-Individuals who used their massive personal wealth and influence to bundle money for Trump.
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