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Fixing Law Enforcement's Racial Injustice Problem

Before an officer can even start to train, all of them must fill out a form and take a lie detector test during.

All of the questions will then be asked verbally again and again on different days, the questions will all be racially-charged, with black, white, and grey answers (morally).

Questions will involve racism of some kind, both subtle, and direct, over 100 questions will be featured.

If they pass and don't fail the lie detector test more then twice, then they can be a cop.


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Honestly, I don't think that would help, it might weed out a racist applicant here/there, but not enough to effect change.

It's a police culture problem, why even good cops still tow the Blue Line so to speak and we rarely have not-shit cops turning the corrupt cops in. But the racial issue also stems from a societal problem.

Was it the FBI who a couple years warned warned of a known White Supremacist movement to get their people into law enforcement across the country?


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Electing people like Kamala Harris, who jailed many black youths for first-time marijuana possession offences, probably isn't a great way to go, for a start.


Generally unless the cop culture can change rapidly (and it can't because that would require all of American culture to change) then the best way to begin would be to give cops less incentive to question and hassle black people, starting with decriminalisation of drugs, especially marijuana, on the federal level.


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If you tried to decriminalize stuff like crack-cocaine and heroin, I'm hardcore against that to the point I'd attend protests for it.

Legalize weed though, go nuts.


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The war on drugs failed, Jman. Cost billions, made things arguably worse and many nonviolent drug users ended up in jail.


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The war on drugs failed, Jman. Cost billions, made things arguably worse and many nonviolent drug users ended up in jail.
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Plus decriminalisation doesn't imply 'legalisation' as such. It just means that users aren't getting slammed up for years and used as slave labour by private prisons.


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The war on drugs failed, Jman. Cost billions, made things arguably worse and many nonviolent drug users ended up in jail.
How did it make things worse?

If it were legalized there wouldn't be less deaths, people would still be dependent, homeless, and jobless due to spending all their money on drugs.

By legalizing it you're not stopping that problem, just creating more homeless.


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Any evidence of that? Frankly, I feel the exact opposite. I believe people don't do hard drugs primarily because of the dangers associated with them, not because they are illegal. Just look at how many people smoke weed despite it being illegal. I doubt the number of people using hard drugs would greatly increase if they became legalized. Meanwhile, all the money wasted on the war on drugs could be put to better use on recovery and preventive programs.

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Any evidence of that? Frankly, I feel the exact opposite. I believe people don't do hard drugs primarily because of the dangers associated with them, not because they are illegal. Just look at how many people smoke weed despite it being illegal. I doubt the number of people using hard drugs would greatly increase if they became legalized. Meanwhile, all the money wasted on the war on drugs could be put to better use on recovery and preventive programs.
Oh yeah "since it's legal, less people will use it." :/

I'm pretty sure statistically, during the prohibition era, far less people drank then before.

Marijuana deserves to be legalized, it doesn't harm you as much as harder drugs would.

Again, for the record, I'd make cigarettes illegal if I could.


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Oh yeah "since it's legal, less people will use it." :/


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How did it make things worse?

If it were legalized there wouldn't be less deaths, people would still be dependent, homeless, and jobless due to spending all their money on drugs.

By legalizing it you're not stopping that problem, just creating more homeless.


For one, because of nonviolent people being jailed and all the fallout associated with that. eg Kids growing up in a single parent home or foster care.

As Ares above noted, being legal would not bring in tons of new users. eg I don't use drugs because they're illegal, I don't use them because they're dangerous and unhealthily. I've only ever smoked/eaten weed and that was when it was still classified as a Schedule I Narcotic.


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Nice strawman. thumb up
That is point-blank exactly what you said, or at least the gist of it, no?


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For one, because of nonviolent people being jailed and all the fallout associated with that. eg Kids growing up in a single parent home or foster care.

As Ares above noted, being legal would not bring in tons of new users. eg I don't use drugs because they're illegal, I don't use them because they're dangerous and unhealthily. I've only ever smoked/eaten weed and that was when it was still classified as a Schedule I Narcotic.
But it would allow people who just felt like doing it and got addicted an easier way of getting it, then they become dependent on it.

I'd bet there are people who just felt like doing it and literally the only reason they haven't is because it's illegal and not because it's dangerous. Making it legal removes one of the reasons a normal person wouldn't try it.


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But it would allow people who just felt like doing it and got addicted an easier way of getting it, then they become dependent on it.

I'd bet there are people who just felt like doing it and literally the only reason they haven't is because it's illegal and not because it's dangerous. Making it legal removes one of the reasons a normal person wouldn't try it.


One thing we've learned with the War on Drugs, if someone really wants to do a drug, they're going to find it and do it. It being legal or illegal has little effect on that.

When you first smoked weed, was it still illegal?

Sure, maybe a small percentage of people are in the: "I'd never do heroin since it's illegal, but now I'm going to shoot up because it is!" category, but that's going to be a very small minority.


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That is point-blank exactly what you said, or at least the gist of it, no?


No. I said the opposite. I said that I doubt the number of users would "greatly increase". The implication of that statement being that there would be an increase just not a massive one.

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No. I said the opposite. I said that I doubt the number of users would "greatly increase". The implication of that statement being that there would be an increase just not a massive one.
Oof, my bad, dude.


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Yeah theres the drug war as well. The more drugs which are legalised, the more drug lords go out of business.

Weed is no more harmful than Alcohol, so should definitely legalised IMO.

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How did it make things worse?

If it were legalized there wouldn't be less deaths, people would still be dependent, homeless, and jobless due to spending all their money on drugs.

By legalizing it you're not stopping that problem, just creating more homeless.

Nope. Portugal was the experiment the world's been intensely watching, and the results are overwhelmingly positive. Drug related deaths fell to five times less than the E.U. average, and are only one-fiftieth of the US death totals. New HIV cases fell by half. Additionally, it appears recreational drug use actually dropped among 18-24 year olds.

Meanwhile, drug prohibition has given us cartels, slavery, war, and mass murder. We're literally creating the problem ourselves, as these things exist mostly because it's illegal.

What you're concerned about is addiction in general, which I agree is a problem. Instead of wasting money on this drug war though, we could use those funds for useful things like: better education, better rehabilitation options, or supporting policy measures that decrease economic uncertainty in our population. Swiss-style heroin assisted treatment is a good rehab option to explore, for example..
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Marijuana deserves to be legalized, it doesn't harm you as much as harder drugs would.

This actually gets tricky too, as there is much propaganda out there concerning recreational drug use. Marijuana itself was a victim of this until recently. Mushrooms are currently shedding their stigma, finally, and I predict other drugs will in time.

Much of the "hard" vs "soft" drugs is in our heads, in all honesty. I've tried cocaine a couple of times, and witnessed others doing it--it's actually quite boring. Each time, I got a moderately elevated mood for about 15 minutes then decided it's the most overrated drug of all time. No one got addicted. It was just uneventful I have zero desire to try it again, but know plenty of upper middle class* folks who love it. It doesn't seem to interfere with their lives, so I don't judge.

*I hate using income as a measure of a person's worth, but I do think people have an odd understanding of the average recreational drug user. Addicts are different, of course.

*Also, I'm not saying drugs are 100% harmless. Few things are.

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Nope. Portugal was the experiment the world's been intensely watching, and the results are overwhelmingly positive. Drug related deaths fell to five times less than the E.U. average, and are only one-fiftieth of the US death totals. New HIV cases fell by half. Additionally, it appears recreational drug use actually dropped among 18-24 year olds.

Meanwhile, drug prohibition has given us cartels, slavery, war, and mass murder. We're literally creating the problem ourselves, as these things exist mostly because it's illegal.

What you're concerned about is addiction in general, which I agree is a problem. Instead of wasting money on this drug war though, we could use those funds for useful things like: better education, better rehabilitation options, or supporting policy measures that decrease economic uncertainty in our population. Swiss-style heroin assisted treatment is a good rehab option to explore, for example..

This actually gets tricky too, as there is much propaganda out there concerning recreational drug use. Marijuana itself was a victim of this until recently. Mushrooms are currently shedding their stigma, finally, and I predict other drugs will in time.

Much of the "hard" vs "soft" drugs is in our heads, in all honesty. I've tried cocaine a couple of times, and witnessed others doing it--it's actually quite boring. Each time, I got a moderately elevated mood for about 15 minutes then decided it's the most overrated drug of all time. No one got addicted. It was just uneventful I have zero desire to try it again, but know plenty of upper middle class* folks who love it. It doesn't seem to interfere with their lives, so I don't judge.

*I hate using income as a measure of a person's worth, but I do think people have an odd understanding of the average recreational drug user. Addicts are different, of course.

*Also, I'm not saying drugs are 100% harmless. Few things are.


Uh yeah, Cocaine will kill you within a few years if you use it like every other day, lmfao.


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Here is a question for those who pointed out about the mainly black youths imprisoned for (minor) cannabis possession etc. What will happen with cannabis becoming legal etc in more states to those serving time.


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