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Modern music is dishonest

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One of my pet peeve's beautifully explained:



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This is a generational problem, and extends to other industries. It is best summed up by "Fake it till you make it"..


The philosophy has driven every generation after the greatest generation, and I'd argue even many Boomers. Everyone wants to live like Caligula, while presenting the front of an altruistic ideal.
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Pete Waterman and an uncharacteristically cheerful Bananarama in 1986 (probably because they were celebrating having an American number one single).

One thing I find frightening about the modern music business is how it's all about money now. These kids, ooh, they have got it sussed. There's no room to see if anything happens by chance.

One of my favourite songs of recent years was Bad Day by Daniel Powter. Brilliant song. And then I turn the telly on, it's on a ****ing deodorant ad! What are you doing?! And people go, "well, he got paid £200,000". Hang on a minute - you write a song and all you care about is the money?

This may surprise people, but I'm totally against that. You've never heard a Stock Aitken and Waterman song on an advert. I've been offered millions of pounds for our songs to be on adverts, but absolutely not.

We wrote Never Gonna Give You Up for Rick Astley for a purpose. It wasn't for the Bank of Scotland. 15m people bought Never Gonna Give You Up because they believed Rick Astley singing it, and because they believed what we said, and because we were passionate about what we said - kids grew up with that song as an anthem. You sell it to the Bank Of Scotland for £1m - what's the point?

I have no problem with saying that pop music is about making money - that's what it does. But you have to entertain. To take the song one stage further and then have it all lined up so that it's a movie, it's a deodorant, it's a car line ad - that's shocking to me.

Musicians now take great pains to lead you to believe they're precious about the music. And then you see it as a car ad. It's offensive because it's a dishonest way of becoming famous. What we did was honest - we wanted to be number one and sell a million records. These guys want to be cool, and they want to take the money, but they don't want to say they want to sell a million records. I think that's dishonest.

It's like if you've just driven here in a Ferrari; and your bodyguards have got two Ferraris following you on; and your wife and family are in two Bentleys behind that - please don't come in saying you want to save the planet. Because I just don't believe you.

Rock'n'roll now has come down to who pays the most bucks. I've never seen so many lawyers, I've never seen so many deals that are so hard to do, and in all my years in the business, I have never seen such a selfish industry.


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Haha....according to his wikipedia page, Peter Waterman was part of talent finding shows in the same American Idol mold.

So why are we listening about artists selling their music to other types of media...when he does the same ****ing thing?

Arists don't make much money on albums sales and streaming profits...so now its all about live shows, merchandise and selling content to other media venues......

He is probably the same type of guy who owns artists masters and ****s them over...and he has the balls to say its all about lawyers...well, yes, because record companies have been ****ing over new artists for years. Just ask Taylor Swift.

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Talking about dishonesty.

As the record climbed the charts, the single ran into legal difficulties. With "Pump Up the Volume" standing at number two, an injunction was obtained against it by pop music producers Stock Aitken Waterman (SAW), who objected to the use of a sample from their hit single "Roadblock". Distribution was held up for several days while negotiations took place, and the result was that overseas releases would not include the "Roadblock" sample. Dorrell later stated that he believed SAW would never have noticed the highly distorted sample had he not rashly boasted about it in a radio interview. The offending article consisted of seven seconds of an anonymous background voice moaning the single word "hey", involved no musical or melodic information and could never be considered plagiarism in the literary sense. SAW member Pete Waterman wrote an open letter to the music press calling such things "wholesale theft". Some publications were quick to point out that Waterman was currently using the bassline from the Colonel Abrams song "Trapped" in his production of Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up", which was competing in close proximity to "Pump Up the Volume" in the pop charts. Observers suggested that SAW's motives had just as much to do with extending the run of "Never Gonna Give You Up" at the top of the chart. SAW could afford extensive legal resources and M|A|R|R|S stood little chance of a successful defence. Despite all this, "Pump Up the Volume" went on to spend two weeks at number one in October 1987 and was a chart hit in many other countries, receiving considerable airplay on American, Australian and European airwaves. While the offending "Roadblock" sample was stripped from the official American release, the version containing it reached the Australian charts. In the U.S., where the song was licensed to 4th & B'way Records, the original version contained several samples from previous 4th & B'way releases, and the label was able to provide clearance for new samples for the American version.[2]

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So he complained that a song used a heavily distorted sample of a song his company owned.....

So he called it theft...

BUT NOO........kid these days..its all about the money.....said a record company exec.

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